Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIX

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Get Bennet and Marchand and keep rolling and then grab Eichel next offseason, let Marchand retire a Bruin when he’s ready
I like the Bennett idea. Not the Marchand idea. I'd rather spend the money on keeping Geekie around. He's on pace to score 30 this season (after a lousy start) and he's 26.

I'd rather spend the money there than on a 37yr old 25-30 goal guy on the downside of his career.
 
He'll get $7mil from somebody. Maybe not for 3yrs, but he'll definitely get the $7m.
Well we are being told the ask from his camp was 7.5m for 3 years not one year at 7m. Tyler Bertuzzi thought he’d get a long term deal when he declined Bostons offer. He settled on a one year with Toronto thinking he’d see a spike in his offense and cash in. He’s now in Chicago wasting away.

Maybe some team ponies up 7.5m per for 3 years? I can see Toronto letting Tavares walk, resigning Marner and bringing Marchand in to help change their locker room culture.
 
Well we are being told the ask from his camp was 7.5m for 3 years not one year at 7m. Tyler Bertuzzi thought he’d get a long term deal when he declined Bostons offer. He settled on a one year with Toronto thinking he’d see a spike in his offense and cash in. He’s now in Chicago wasting away.

Maybe some team ponies up 7.5m per for 3 years? I can see Toronto letting Tavares walk, resigning Marner and bringing Marchand in to help change their locker room culture.
Pavelski got 3/$7mil from Dallas like 6 years ago. Similar age, similar numbers, so who knows? I'm sure there's a team out there willing to take a shot. Probably going to be a team who thinks they are a player or 2 away from contending.

There's a lot of options out there for Brad.
 
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Pavelski got 3/$7mil from Dallas like 6 years ago. Similar age, similar numbers, so who knows? I'm sure there's a team out there willing to take a shot. Probably going to be a team who thinks they are a player or 2 away from contending.

There's a lot of options out there for Brad.
And that was for his age 35, 36, and 37 years. Plus he's a center.

Except if your name is Swayman or McAvoy.
What in the possible hell could that mean?
 
Sorry hits? Ullmark, Krug, Geekie and probably Vatrank are “hits” and the only guys I’d go back and resign.

The rest of those guys are either net neutral or scratch level (Koepke, Tufte, Jones, Brazeau, JVR etc).

Sure, he paid very little and got back little on most of those guys, so as signing, they’re “wins”, or fair value. There isn’t a hit among them aside from the few I listed up top.

And notably, the whiffs were prominent signings for bigger dollars, and they all sucked. Including Zadorov whom you somehow counted as a hit??? Why?

IMO DS gets more heat for his drafting than he deserves. His trades have been very good. But his UFA work on top half of the roster players is terrible, and that’s what we are lacking. I only hope he takes a summer off.

Yeah, hits. As in not strike outs. Every guy on that list has brought more good to the Bruins than they cost. Even Max Jones brought back a pick. Koepke has been a good signing. Brazeau returned a bunch of good assets. Nobody is claiming those guys are homeruns, but did the organization benefit from signing them? Yes.

Zadorov is absolutely a hit. On a team that's -28, he's a team leading +14. He plays the most minutes of any D, frequenly playing 24 minutes a night. He has more Dzone starts than any D, and is frequently matched up against the other team's best. He wasn't signed to be a shut down D like Carlo and he wasn't signed to be a play driver like McAvoy. He is supposed to be a Johnny Boychuk / Al Iafrate type and he's been that.

You counted Mike Reilly as a UFA whiff. He was traded for, then re-signed, so if we're counting rentals, then you have to add Taylor Hall and Hampus Lindholm to your scales.

Even if we just look at "top half of the roster players" his misses are Lindholm and Backes. His hits are Ullmark, Zadorov, Geekie, Krug and Vatrano. We're not counting getting Krejci back from Europe. I won't make the argument that Heinen and Haula played top6 roles here on a winning team and produced in their roles.

I just don't see this legacy of failure in free agency that you do. He's signed dozens of guys who've helped this team. He has had some very notable duds, and it does appear he's better at signing young guys than older guys, depth players than top-end talent... but I still wouldn't say he can't do it or he needs to steer clear.
 
Probably not, but if some team pays him say $7M or more, that is over payment for that team, however I would consider as high as say no more that $6.5 - 7, only if we could somehow trade E.Lindholm with no retention. I would rather over pay a bit for top 6 forwards, if Marner is open to coming here , then over pay a bit maybe 12-13, he and Pasta would be insane depth at RW.
Bruins should have gone after wingers last off season, rather than overpay for Lindholm, that would have carried through this season. Bruins, still have a need for a center, but also they have not solved their wing problem, they needed one before DeBrusk left and he was not replaced, so after giving Lindholm a huge over payment, giving up DeBrusk for nothing, what are you left with..............ask me I would say a big f***n headache
 
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Bruins should have gone after wingers last off season, rather than overpay for Lindholm, that would have carried through this season. Bruins, still have a need for a center, but also they have not solved their wing problem, they needed one before DeBrusk left and he was not replaced, so after giving Lindholm a huge over payment, giving up DeBrusk for nothing, what are you left with..............ask me I would say a big f***n headache
It wasn't just DeBrusk though....or any one player for that matter. It was a combination of smaller losses, when taken in aggregate suddenly added up to a bigger deal than any one particular move.

DeBrusk 19/21/40
Heinen 17/19/36
JVR 11/27/38

Any one, or even 2 of those losses you can overcome, but in total you are talking about a good chunk of production that wasn't effectively replaced.

The good news is that you don't need to go out and try to replace that production in one fell swoop by signing one top end player. But you also can't just ignore it and use that cap money to overpay for a center or defenseman, when your D corps was already pretty damn good to begin with.

It means Sweeney over paid for those 2 players but he didn't want to overpay to keep his Captain.
That's exactly what it means. However, overpaying for a 3rd player doesn't erase the previous 2 mistakes. Nor does it justify it.
 
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It wasn't just DeBrusk though....or any one player for that matter. It was a combination of smaller losses, when taken in aggregate suddenly added up to a bigger deal than any one particular move.

DeBrusk 19/21/40
Heinen 17/19/36
JVR 11/27/38
I think you're right about the aggregates, not just in losing Heinen and JVR but the big drops in production from Coyle and Frederic. We effectively lost DeBrusk, Heienen, JVR, Frederic and Coyle, and replaced them with Lindholm and a bunch of Wahlstrom types.
 
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Pavelski got 3/$7mil from Dallas like 6 years ago. Similar age, similar numbers, so who knows? I'm sure there's a team out there willing to take a shot. Probably going to be a team who thinks they are a player or 2 away from contending.

There's a lot of options out there for Brad.
Pavelski was 34 years old coming off a 38 goal season. And a center. Marchand may get 7.5m for 3 years, but save me the crocodile tears yesterday in his panthers gear. He chose money (1m more per season) over finishing his career in Boston and not uprooting his family. And that’s absolutely his right to do so. Let’s just be honest about what happened here.

If Marchand ends up in Columbus NJ or Pittsburgh next season for a 7m per contract I think I’d be disappointed he left for a short raise at 37 years old. The Bruins offer was more than fair (if accurate)
 
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I think you're right about the aggregates, not just in losing Heinen and JVR but the big drops in production from Coyle and Frederic. We effectively lost DeBrusk, Heienen, JVR, Frederic and Coyle, and replaced them with Lindholm and a bunch of Wahlstrom types.
Sure. But I'd argue that losing the 3 guys I mentioned earlier probably also had an effect on Coyle and Frederic as well. Coyle got bumped off the top line and Freddy.......I don't know what Freddy's issue was.

Anyway, if you were expecting Lindholm to come in and return to form from 3yrs ago because he's playing with better linemates. Wouldn't you also expect players to drop in production when they are playing with weaker linemates as well? DeBrusk/Heinen/JVR for Koepke/Brazeau/Kastelic/Wahlstrom?
 
2025/2026 line-up
sweeney's only hope to bring marchand back :

MARCHAND BERGERON PASTRNAK
ZACKA MITTLESTADT GEEKIE
KOEPKE LINDHOLM LYSELL
LAUKO KASTELIC MINTEN
( KHUSNTDINOV )

LINDHOLM JOKIHARJU
McAVOY LOHREI
ZADOROV CHARA
( PEEKE )

SWAYMAN
RASK
* BEREGERON, CHARA, RASK come out of retirement. ( who says no )
 
2025/2026 line-up
sweeney's only hope to bring marchand back :

MARCHAND BERGERON PASTRNAK
ZACKA MITTLESTADT GEEKIE
KOEPKE LINDHOLM LYSELL
LAUKO KASTELIC MINTEN
( KHUSNTDINOV )

LINDHOLM JOKIHARJU
McAVOY LOHREI
ZADOROV CHARA
( PEEKE )

SWAYMAN
RASK
* BEREGERON, CHARA, RASK come out of retirement. ( who says no )


Bergeron, Chara and Rask
 
Sure. But I'd argue that losing the 3 guys I mentioned earlier probably also had an effect on Coyle and Frederic as well. Coyle got bumped off the top line and Freddy.......I don't know what Freddy's issue was.

Anyway, if you were expecting Lindholm to come in and return to form from 3yrs ago because he's playing with better linemates. Wouldn't you also expect players to drop in production when they are playing with weaker linemates as well? DeBrusk/Heinen/JVR for Koepke/Brazeau/Wahlstrom?
I mean, the plan was not for Coyle to play with weaker linemates. He played with Marchand last year and he started with Marchand this year. He played almost all season with Marchand, either at center or wing. So I don't know why you'd expect a drop there. Coyle just... didn't have it this year. Neither did Carlo, or Swayman, or McAvoy. Even Poitras, they expected him to take a step and be the 3c with Frederic and he was in the minors by Thanksgiving.
 
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It wasn't just DeBrusk though....or any one player for that matter. It was a combination of smaller losses, when taken in aggregate suddenly added up to a bigger deal than any one particular move.

DeBrusk 19/21/40
Heinen 17/19/36
JVR 11/27/38

Any one, or even 2 of those losses you can overcome, but in total you are talking about a good chunk of production that wasn't effectively replaced.

The good news is that you don't need to go out and try to replace that production in one fell swoop by signing one top end player. But you also can't just ignore it and use that cap money to overpay for a center or defenseman, when your D corps was already pretty damn good to begin with.


That's exactly what it means. However, overpaying for a 3rd player doesn't erase the previous 2 mistakes. Nor does it justify it.
Sweeney, was applauded for going for it in 2023, record setting year, and many were all onboard, the problem was not going for it miscalculating what those moves meant in the long run. Three players obtained all walked and he paid a price for them, also lost Taylor Hall, after getting him for a steal, needing to pay bonus money to Bergeron and Krecji, Bergeron was already here, not a problem, Krecji, should not have been brought back, those bonuses had an effect on the following years cap. They a cup winning coach, understand expiration date on coaches but........There is also an expiration date on players also, it is recognizing when that is. Sweeney very seldom builds his team offseason, and he chases it a trade deadline, sorry cannot always do that, injuries at times dictate it being necessary at times. this team as given us some fun, entertaining, but let's be honest without Tim Thomas, they would be considered underachievers, some of it falls on the players and some on management, if Krecji was still here he still might be waiting for a RW, oh no, not might be he would be waiting, for hat winger.
 
Maybe not but do you want to see Sweeney try to sign a “big” UFA again? Backes, Beleskey, Moore, Reilly, Foligno, Zadorov, Lindholm, etc etc.. No thanks and no thanks.

Also, I might quibble with the idea that this team can compete for a high lottery pick. McAvoy is a fine 1D, Hampus is a fine 2D, everybody behind them is probably playing a slot too high on D.

Up front Moddlestadt is a third line forward and not worth including on that list IMO. Yes Pasta is a stud, but the rest? Way below league average as a group.

And Swayman has been terrible this year . He may rebound, or he may find a middle ground. Who knows?

This team is likely to stink next year. No way I let Sweeney roll the dice on another signing that may hamstring a real retool/rebuild. Get a few years of top picks and let’s do it right.

Problem is, that trying to "do it right", assuming you meant through the draft --- means that they are now 3 at best, and 4/5 most likely, years away from contending.

Which means they are wasting those prime years for Pasta, Lindholm, Swayman.

If that's the plan, then they might as well move Pasta and McAvoy this summer, which they won't do.

So then the plan will be to re-tool on the fly.
 
7.5m per for 3 years when he’ll he 37 years old to start next season is more than I’d be willing to bend. He obviously didn’t want to retire a Bruin that badly. 6.3m is fair imo.

I don’t see any team offering him 3 years at 7.5m per.

He probably wanted to got something back after the bargain of a contract he signed the last time
 
I think you're right about the aggregates, not just in losing Heinen and JVR but the big drops in production from Coyle and Frederic. We effectively lost DeBrusk, Heienen, JVR, Frederic and Coyle, and replaced them with Lindholm and a bunch of Wahlstrom types.
DeBrusk is being Jake in Vancouver, so hope, but just not enough, Heinen as predicted as done squat as was predicted after having a good year, JVR, has played well this year, but remember everyone thought Brazeau, would be that guy, he has also probably been more meaningful to that Columbus club this year,
 
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