Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIX

[goldenblack]

Every single Leaf fan I know RAGES on Marner every playoff.

You guys don't know about this?

Do we need to post the clip of NYLANDER telling him to suck it up? Imagine when it's Nylander telling you to sack up, lol.

 

[elMatador]

Could be as far as Marner but he was the second best player on the ice against Colorado after Mackinnon. Tavares 11M a year for 7 years? Lol that puts him at what 42 years old?

41 years old
but he fits the profile Sweeney would sign

UFA? check
Overpaid at $11m? check
Gets a full NTC and NMC? check
In his mid 30s? check
Former top 6? check
Never scored 100points/season? check
Ghost in the playoffs? check
Slow skater? check

 

[Hookslide]

Honestly I'm not concern about Swayman yet. Has he had a bad year? absolutely. In his first 132 games over the last 4 seasons he was a 2.34 GAA / .919 SV% guy. This season he's a sub .900 and knocking on the door of a 3.00 GAA. With that said though, his Goals Saved Above Expected is a -1.5 on the season, so he's saved slightly fewer goals than he should, but not by a significant amount. Now for $8 million, obviously you want a guy saving more goals than he should.

The reason I'm not freaking out about Swayman (like many are) is because he's a got 3 really good seasons before this year (4 if you want to count his 10 game stint after turning pro). Just like there are players that have career years and it becomes an outlier, players will also have career worst years that become an outlier.

This season was a perfect storm. Swayman gets signed late and no training camp in. Hampus goes down early in the season and doesn't return. The coach gets let go after ~20 games and some feel like the team knew Monty wasn't returning and because of it and he lost the room. The offense has just not been there. Despite being 13th in expected goals for, they rank 25th in goals for. The PP ranks 30th in the NHL and the PK ranks 20th in the NHL. This is a complete 180 from where they were over the last 3 seasons when they ranked 10th in the PP and 2nd in the PK.

Again perfect storm. I'm not ready to throw everything out those because of one bad season.

On eof the concerns with Swayman were before his signing was could he carry the load, he failed. He solid when he had Ullmark to bolster him up, that is no longer the case. I would get away from this guy before his NTC kicks in...........as you can tell I am not a fan, and have no intentions of hiding it.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Perhaps.

The contract is gonna be painful though. For that sort of cash you gotta be damn sure that it's gonna work out. We all bitch about Lindholm's deal, and rightfully so, but what happens when it's 5m on top of that?

Yeah it's definitely a risk and there is no denying it. I have watched Toronto a lot the last couple of years and this years Marner has absolutely been different in his pace and intensity but yup, those $$$ carry big risk. Maybe Berube has threatened his life because I have seen him lay the body several times this year and it caught my attention.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Every single Leaf fan I know RAGES on Marner every playoff.

You guys don't know about this?

Do we need to post the clip of NYLANDER telling him to suck it up? Imagine when it's Nylander telling you to sack up, lol.

David Price was called a choker with the Red Sox until he shut his critics up. Things can & do change.

 

[ON3M4N]

On eof the concerns with Swayman were before his signing was could he carry the load, he failed. He solid when he had Ullmark to bolster him up, that is no longer the case. I would get away from this guy before his NTC kicks in...........as you can tell I am not a fan, and have no intentions of hiding it.

Everyone on this board knows you're not a fan lol. You've been using every opportunity given to rip on Swayman. Even this last game, he plays great and pitches a shutout. The only comment I recall that you had was to say he's an unreliable goalie.

I'm not even sure why I'm continuing to interact with you on this topic. Swayman could go the rest of the season and not give up a goal and you'd still find something to complain about with him......simply because you are not a fan. People can't have an objective conversation with you because you've already made up your mind and no facts or evidence will change it.

With that said, have a great day

 

[Absurdity]

 

[elMatador]

Korpisalo moving is the only way you could remotely get this done, even still I’m not sure how you are getting this lineup under the cap as suggested/constructed. With all signed players including Lysell, we have 27.09mil. Marner and Oreilly is 18mil, Lohrei and Joki likely combine for another 6.25-7.25mil…that leaves you with 2/3 mil left and you still need to sign Geekie, a 3rd line wing, two 4th liners, a 13th forward, and a 7th D…

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I think a lot of us don't understand how Sweeney builds the playoff team.
The most important for him is the character and role on the team.

He starts from the ground as a foundation, therefore the 4th line forwards and bottom pair Dmen are the most important.

These jewels are not easy to find and sign or trade for, so he has to overpay to get them.
There are never enough of them so he keeps at least 6 of them on the forward lines at any moment (currently Beecher, Koepke, Kastelic, Brown, Lauko, Lettieri) and 4-5 on the Dpairs (Zadorov, Peeke, Jokiharju, Wotherspoon, Mitchell).

Then come some 3rd liners.
Because the 3rd line is fully occupied by a spare 4th liners he slots them on the 2nd or even the 1st line, Elias Lindholm or Zacha for example.

The 2nd liners are a waste of time for him.
With the most of the roster filled anyway and the cap space already spent he can bring only 1 or 2 true top-end talent as the icing on the cake.

Same with the Dmen.
Over the past couple of seasons: Reilly, Forbort, Moore, Grzelcyk, Zboril, Vaakanainen, Clifton, Stralman, Shattenkirk, Zadorov, Peeke, Wotherspoon, Mitchell, Callahan, Jokiharju all have one thing in common, none of them are top 4 D.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think a lot of us don't understand how Sweeney builds the playoff team.
The most important for him is the character and role on the team.

He starts from the ground as a foundation, therefore the 4th line forwards and bottom pair Dmen are the most important.

These jewels are not easy to find and sign or trade for, so he has to overpay to get them.
There are never enough of them so he keeps at least 6 of them on the forward lines at any moment (currently Beecher, Koepke, Kastelic, Brown, Lauko, Lettieri) and 4-5 on the Dpairs (Zadorov, Peeke, Jokiharju, Wotherspoon, Mitchell).

Then come some 3rd liners.
Because the 3rd line is fully occupied by a spare 4th liners he slots them on the 2nd or even the 1st line, Elias Lindholm or Zacha for example.

The 2nd liners are a waste of time for him.
With the most of the roster filled anyway and the cap space already spent he can bring only 1 or 2 true top-end talent as the icing on the cake.

Same with the Dmen.
Over the past couple of seasons: Reilly, Forbort, Moore, Grzelcyk, Zboril, Vaakanainen, Clifton, Stralman, Shattenkirk, Zadorov, Peeke, Wotherspoon, Mitchell, Callahan, Jokiharju all have one thing in common, none of them are top 4 D.

That’s a ton of words for some pithy throwaway comment that isn’t even accurate in the slightest.

 

[pucksindeep92]

I think a lot of us don't understand how Sweeney builds the playoff team.
The most important for him is the character and role on the team.

He starts from the ground as a foundation, therefore the 4th line forwards and bottom pair Dmen are the most important.

These jewels are not easy to find and sign or trade for, so he has to overpay to get them.
There are never enough of them so he keeps at least 6 of them on the forward lines at any moment (currently Beecher, Koepke, Kastelic, Brown, Lauko, Lettieri) and 4-5 on the Dpairs (Zadorov, Peeke, Jokiharju, Wotherspoon, Mitchell).

Then come some 3rd liners.
Because the 3rd line is fully occupied by a spare 4th liners he slots them on the 2nd or even the 1st line, Elias Lindholm or Zacha for example.

The 2nd liners are a waste of time for him.
With the most of the roster filled anyway and the cap space already spent he can bring only 1 or 2 true top-end talent as the icing on the cake.

Same with the Dmen.
Over the past couple of seasons: Reilly, Forbort, Moore, Grzelcyk, Zboril, Vaakanainen, Clifton, Stralman, Shattenkirk, Zadorov, Peeke, Wotherspoon, Mitchell, Callahan, Jokiharju all have one thing in common, none of them are top 4 D.

What

 

[SPV]

Would an offer sheet to Knies or Cuylle risking a 1st and 3rd be worth it? I’m assuming it’s 2026 draft picks.
Another guy we probably could offer sheet is Alexander Holtz in Vegas, be a quicker way to restock the shelves.

 

[dredeye]

Would an offer sheet to Knies or Cuylle risking a 1st and 3rd be worth it? I’m assuming it’s 2026 draft picks.
Another guy we probably could offer sheet is Alexander Holtz in Vegas, be a quicker way to restock the shelves.

Not sure it's smart for us to risk a 2026 1st but Knies is a real nice piece for sure

 

[Dr Hook]

Every single Leaf fan I know RAGES on Marner every playoff.

You guys don't know about this?

Do we need to post the clip of NYLANDER telling him to suck it up? Imagine when it's Nylander telling you to sack up, lol.

We really shouldn't use Leaf fan reactions as any sort of realistic gauge of the team and players. They are worse than Bruin fans about their players, coaches, and management.

 

[dredeye]

I'd have no issue adding Marner to our team. Elite vision and passing. he just needs a finisher and Pasta would rake with him and it could do Lindholm a world of good.

 

[Fingertools]

He did? Didn't #88 sign the extension before the 2022-23 RS ended?

Pastrnak signed in March 2023

 

[KillerMillerTime]

So Bergeron was still playing.

Pastrnak signed in March 2023

 

[Hookslide]

He did? Didn't #88 sign the extension before the 2022-23 RS ended?

MacAvoy signed before

 

[DKH]

Marner is the only leaf that plays with heart. I see him with the bruins next year.

Nylander rolls eyes

 

[Hookslide]

People change, mature and grow,

Not everyone, but it seems like a lot of players as they get older figure things out and change their mindset and how they play.

In the end, he’s a legit 90 point scorer and the Bruins need exactly that.

Never been a fan, but I would take a run at him, there are not many other options. But there could be silver lining, he plays well takes some of the load off of Pasta, now for the big one, are you ready..........go to the cup finals, after beating the Mapleleaf's, and then we will have all offseason to gloat as Toronto fans heads explode, and then like good Bruins fans, just let them start to heal ....................and then BAM! bring it all up again.........Fun no or Sadistic

 

[JCRO]

Would an offer sheet to Knies or Cuylle risking a 1st and 3rd be worth it? I’m assuming it’s 2026 draft picks.
Another guy we probably could offer sheet is Alexander Holtz in Vegas, be a quicker way to restock the shelves.

Oh I’d be all over Knies.

 

[Number8]

I think the odds of Marner coming here are pretty slim to maybe zero, but he wouldn't have to lead the team. Highest paid, most talented does not equal leader and no reason it has to. We'll see how this new leadership group shakes out in Boston, but that job will fall to the next captain and his alternates. Besides, Toronto's first round exit problems have been much bigger than Marner

If a player of Marner's caliber is available, Sweeney damn sure better make his best pitch. He isn't doing his job if he doesn't, and if he by some minor miracle does land in Boston, I would hope you would be 100% behind the guy to succeed.

Oh I would be. I’ve held my nose a few times over the years as I’m sure so have we all.

I’m just being strong minded in hopes it sways Sweeney on whether he pursues..

In all honesty, I think the biggest issue now is as you say, the leadership group. Who steps up hard and what style of leadership moves forward will be an important factor. One that could impact the kind of player who might thrive, versus not thrive maybe. Who knows.

That said, if it did ever came to be could I slide by with something like this while he and I got to know each other better?

Goooaaal. Go Pasta Baby. You beautiful, beautiful man. Magic. YES. YES.

Goal! Atta boy Mitch. Very nice play. Well done.

 

[Fingertools]

So Bergeron was still playing.

Bergeron played 19 years before Pastrnak signed - not the same thing as Marner making millions more 2 years after Pastrnak signed

 

[Hookslide]

Everyone on this board knows you're not a fan lol. You've been using every opportunity given to rip on Swayman. Even this last game, he plays great and pitches a shutout. The only comment I recall that you had was to say he's an unreliable goalie.

I'm not even sure why I'm continuing to interact with you on this topic. Swayman could go the rest of the season and not give up a goal and you'd still find something to complain about with him......simply because you are not a fan. People can't have an objective conversation with you because you've already made up your mind and no facts or evidence will change it.

With that said, have a great day

HAHAHA, I never tried hiding my dislike for him and not just his play...........you just cannot ignore me, I am therapy

 

[Number8]

That's not on Marner. The leafs have had a lot of holes defensively and between the pipes. The guy was huge at the 4nations scoring a big goal and setting up the biggest. His play there among the elite of elite screams winner. I think there's room here for him in Boston.

I’m going to sound like the dinosaur I am…….

Mitch Marner is extraordinarily soft. On multiple levels.

Talented? Holy shit, yes.

But he won’t win a Cup unless he is put on a Four Nation type NHL team that drags him over the line.

Happy to admit I’m wrong on this. Not afraid to say I’m an idiot if Mitchy pulls through somewhere. But………….. I’m never going to have to do it.

 

[NeelyDan]

I'd have no issue adding Marner to our team. Elite vision and passing. he just needs a finisher and Pasta would rake with him and it could do Lindholm a world of good.

I’m not sure what a “BJ Elitist” is, but I too fancy myself a bit of a snob in that space