Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIV

[quietbruinfan]

Oh don’t disagree, it’s a work in progress, but there is a template there.

Possibly, I had not thought of Burns. I skew older am older, and think of present Burns and prime Wild Burns.

 

[CellyHard]

If you look at the Capitals as a model "retool" it didn't involve moving any core pieces.

Orlov and Hathaway for a 1st
Mantha, Eller, Malenstyn for 2nd round picks
Kuz and Edmundson for 3rd round picks

They went out and got Sandin, PLD, Mangiapane, Thompson, Chychrun. They literally traded their way out of it.

Signing Dylan Strome was obviously a huge one but they also resigned Tom Wilson in the middle of this as well

It would be the equivalent of moving out Carlo, Coyle, Brazeau and Wotherspoon for picks. Trading for Zegras (Strome-like), resigning Frederic (Wilson-like), developing Poitras (McMichael-like), signing Kovacevic (Matt Roy-like)

Nothing is apples to apples here but I'm just trying to show that it can easily be done without trading like McAvoy and Swayman as others suggest because "they'd bring the biggest return" a series of small strategic moves that reshuffle the country club we have here could do it as quickly as next year while keeping your 1st to hopefully find their Ryan Leonard

 

[Kegs]

If you look at the Capitals as a model "retool" it didn't involve moving any core pieces.

Orlov and Hathaway for a 1st
Mantha, Eller, Malenstyn for 2nd round picks
Kuz and Edmundson for 3rd round picks

They went out and got Sandin, PLD, Mangiapane, Thompson, Chychrun. They literally traded their way out of it.

Signing Dylan Strome was obviously a huge one but they also resigned Tom Wilson in the middle of this as well

It would be the equivalent of moving out Carlo, Coyle, Brazeau and Wotherspoon for picks. Trading for Zegras (Strome-like), resigning Frederic (Wilson-like), developing Poitras (McMichael-like), signing Kovacevic (Matt Roy-like)

Nothing is apples to apples here but I'm just trying to show that it can easily be done without trading like McAvoy and Swayman as others suggest because "they'd bring the biggest return" a series of small strategic moves that reshuffle the country club we have here could do it as quickly as next year while keeping your 1st to hopefully find their Ryan Leonard

Chychurns been huge for the caps. I wish we got him.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Go over to the main board and suggest a trade Poitras for Zegras. Doubt you get
more than 30% of people agree with you. Zegras has broken 60 points twice. Poitras is in his D+3 season in which Zegras hit 60 points.

In their age 19 season they both played shortened seasons. Poitras scoring pace 37 points for 82 games. Zegras 44 points. Poitras TOI 13:24 mins/ Zegras 15:24. Poitras +4/ Zegras +6

You neglect to mention, Zegras in his two 60 point seasons, -21, -24. While averaging 18 mins TOI & 19 mins TOI.

THIS season, Poitras age 20, Zegras age 23:
Zegras: 5G 9A 14P in 30 games played. 82 game pace: 13G 24A 37P
Poitras: 1G 10A 11P in 24 games played. 82 game pace: 4G 34A 38P

Zegras this season 16:50 TOI. Poitras this season 12:57. 4 full mins less per game. 3 years younger. Zegras career 82 game average -16, Poitras 0.

Now we can discuss cap hits?

 

[CellyHard]

Chychurns been huge for the caps. I wish we got him.

Absolutely nasty for them. Super underrated add.

They took some gambles and hit on a lot of them.

Sweeney isn't the best at drafting but he does make some shrewd trades (Coyle, Zacha, Kastelic to name a few). I think he needs a little rope to see if he can put a few more of those together.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

In their age 19 season they both played shortened seasons. Poitras scoring pace 37 points for 82 games. Zegras 44 points. Poitras TOI 13:24 mins/ Zegras 15:24. Poitras +4/ Zegras +6

You neglect to mention, Zegras in his two 60 point seasons, -21, -24. While averaging 18 mins TOI & 19 mins TOI.

THIS season, Poitras age 20, Zegras age 23:
Zegras: 5G 9A 14P in 30 games played. 82 game pace: 13G 24A 37P
Poitras: 1G 10A 11P in 24 games played. 82 game pace: 4G 34A 38P

Zegras this season 16:50 TOI. Poitras this season 12:57. 4 full mins less per game. 3 years younger. Zegras career 82 game average -16, Poitras 0.

Now we can discuss cap hits?

Stop with the pace non sense. Zegras had a 60 point season D+3 while Poitras
spent a significant chunk of his playing in the AHL.

I challenge you to go on the main board trade section and try convincing people that Poitras is as good as as Zegras.

 

[22Brad Park]

If you look at the Capitals as a model "retool" it didn't involve moving any core pieces.

Orlov and Hathaway for a 1st
Mantha, Eller, Malenstyn for 2nd round picks
Kuz and Edmundson for 3rd round picks

They went out and got Sandin, PLD, Mangiapane, Thompson, Chychrun. They literally traded their way out of it.

Signing Dylan Strome was obviously a huge one but they also resigned Tom Wilson in the middle of this as well

It would be the equivalent of moving out Carlo, Coyle, Brazeau and Wotherspoon for picks. Trading for Zegras (Strome-like), resigning Frederic (Wilson-like), developing Poitras (McMichael-like), signing Kovacevic (Matt Roy-like)

Nothing is apples to apples here but I'm just trying to show that it can easily be done without trading like McAvoy and Swayman as others suggest because "they'd bring the biggest return" a series of small strategic moves that reshuffle the country club we have here could do it as quickly as next year while keeping your 1st to hopefully find their Ryan Leonard

Sweenious better get at it then

 

[Gordoff]

If you look at the Capitals as a model "retool" it didn't involve moving any core pieces.

Orlov and Hathaway for a 1st
Mantha, Eller, Malenstyn for 2nd round picks
Kuz and Edmundson for 3rd round picks

They went out and got Sandin, PLD, Mangiapane, Thompson, Chychrun. They literally traded their way out of it.

Signing Dylan Strome was obviously a huge one but they also resigned Tom Wilson in the middle of this as well

It would be the equivalent of moving out Carlo, Coyle, Brazeau and Wotherspoon for picks. Trading for Zegras (Strome-like), resigning Frederic (Wilson-like), developing Poitras (McMichael-like), signing Kovacevic (Matt Roy-like)

Nothing is apples to apples here but I'm just trying to show that it can easily be done without trading like McAvoy and Swayman as others suggest because "they'd bring the biggest return" a series of small strategic moves that reshuffle the country club we have here could do it as quickly as next year while keeping your 1st to hopefully find their Ryan Leonard

Sorry but weak comparison. Orlov and Hathaway don't compare at all to Carlo Brazeau or Wotherspoon.
IMO those two were core, or near core.
Carlo may be core but not close at all to Orlov.
Yes they retooled but they also grabbed a bunch of picks and made some astute signings and trades.
Not saying that the Bruins don't have the players that other teams would want but not at Orlov, Hathaway
levels IMO.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Stop with the pace non sense. Zegras had a 60 point season D+3 while Poitras
spent a significant chunk of his playing in the AHL.

I challenge you to go on the main board trade section and try convincing people that Poitras is as good as as Zegras.

Who gives a fk about the main board. Zegras is not a good hockey player no matter what the main board says

 

[bruinsfan1968]

Sorry but weak comparison. Orlov and Hathaway don't compare at all to Carlo Brazeau or Wotherspoon.
IMO those two were core, or near core.
Carlo may be core but not close at all to Orlov.
Yes they retooled but they also grabbed a bunch of picks and made some astute signings and trades.
Not saying that the Bruins don't have the players that other teams would want but not at Orlov, Hathaway
levels IMO.

Those two worked out real well in the playoffs! Not! They were both a waste of draft picks!

 

[DKH]

Poitras tries to get back defensively, but poor placement of turnovers, average speed and lack of experience work against him.

On the plus side, his passing decisions are getting much faster and much better. He has also knocked down a backchecker twice now. It led to Pasta's second goal. Kid is improving.

Yes

Probably another 200 games away but he will still be only 24

I like him in that third spot

 

[bruins4thecup65]

- goal scoring winger mid 20's or so that can play now

- move out Coyle, Brazeau, Korpisalo and maybe even Carlo for draft picks, prospects. In a vacuum I like what each one of these players brings but I think these spots could use a different look for the team as these guys make the lineup too redundant. Korp has been good but I'd like the team to explore what they can get if a team gets desperate.


Geekie -- Zacha -- Pasta

Marchand -- Lindholm -- New Winger

Frederic -- Poitras -- Lysell

Kopeke -- Beecher -- Kastelic


Lindholm -- McAvoy

Zadorov -- Peeke

Lohrei -- Wotherspoon

Zegras on L2

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Who gives a fk about the main board. Zegras is not a good hockey player no matter what the main board says

Lol, so lets not get opinions from some some other hockey fans because they disagree with your opinion...ok.

Also, stop using pace, because Poitras is "on pace" to score 3G in a 82 Game season.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Lol, so lets not get opinions from some some other hockey fans because they disagree with your opinion...ok.

Also, stop using pace, because Poitras is "on pace" to score 3G in a 82 Game season.

Yet he’s outscoring Zegras this season with Zegras being 3 years older. You can choose to ignore the numbers but they’re there. You also ignore the TOI factor.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I'm sold.

Hell, you can't even abbreviate him to 3 letter name like JVR or ADC. Guess its going to be DBB.

Hmm, you have a point, except I am willing to bet Sweens is gone this Summer, or surely next Summer. Lohrei just does not have any of the basics defensively, which is not surprising given his history. I am definitely willing to trade him for a more advanced defensive or forward prospect.

He is unique but in this case unique isn't a good thing. You don't see any 6"5' rovers who play zero d.

These names are before your time I bet but are probably Lohrei's absolute ceiling, Willie Huber and Rick Lanz. Both were about his size, pretty good skaters with huge shots, much better than Lohrei's, but both stronger and tougher. Huber also did play much smaller than his size though.

Rick Lanz was 6:02, not 6:05. Better comparison might be a poor mans Bob Dailey
skill set wise.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Watched him a ton at the WJ and as a Sabre and his hockey sense and vision were two of his best traits. He always reminded me of a better skating Craig Janney.

Yeah going North, CM has more speed, but Janney had more lateral and small space play making ability by a pretty significant factor.

 

[CellyHard]

Sorry but weak comparison. Orlov and Hathaway don't compare at all to Carlo Brazeau or Wotherspoon.
IMO those two were core, or near core.
Carlo may be core but not close at all to Orlov.
Yes they retooled but they also grabbed a bunch of picks and made some astute signings and trades.
Not saying that the Bruins don't have the players that other teams would want but not at Orlov, Hathaway
levels IMO.

Like what I said, it’s not apples to apples. Is Orlov better than Carlo? Obviously but Carlo has more term on his deal and could easily fetch a 1st round pick at the deadline.

The point I was trying to make is less so on the value the Bruins would get back and more so on how it’s possible to trade your way out of it

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I mean Burns and Hamilton.

All three were forwards in their youth hockey days but comparing Burns & Lohrei
is ridiculous. Burns is a HOF player IMO, not nearly as bad defensively to ever be compared to Lohrei.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

If you look at the Capitals as a model "retool" it didn't involve moving any core pieces.

Orlov and Hathaway for a 1st
Mantha, Eller, Malenstyn for 2nd round picks
Kuz and Edmundson for 3rd round picks

They went out and got Sandin, PLD, Mangiapane, Thompson, Chychrun. They literally traded their way out of it.

Signing Dylan Strome was obviously a huge one but they also resigned Tom Wilson in the middle of this as well

It would be the equivalent of moving out Carlo, Coyle, Brazeau and Wotherspoon for picks. Trading for Zegras (Strome-like), resigning Frederic (Wilson-like), developing Poitras (McMichael-like), signing Kovacevic (Matt Roy-like)

Nothing is apples to apples here but I'm just trying to show that it can easily be done without trading like McAvoy and Swayman as others suggest because "they'd bring the biggest return" a series of small strategic moves that reshuffle the country club we have here could do it as quickly as next year while keeping your 1st to hopefully find their Ryan Leonard

Frederic is no where near Wilson in impact.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Yet he’s outscoring Zegras this season with Zegras being 3 years older. You can choose to ignore the numbers but they’re there. You also ignore the TOI factor.

Lol, if the Bruins miss the PO by 1 or 2 points, I can guarantee you that the additional goals by TZ would be far more consequential than Poitras's additional
assists.

 

[dredeye]

Chychurns been huge for the caps. I wish we got him.

He should have been the target with Ullmark. I think we all saw that as the return

Frederic is no where near Wilson in impact.

was gonna say the same. I don't like the kind of player he is but Wilson in many levels above Frederic

 

[DKH]

I personally would stop looking for a number one center ~ Zacha works phenomenally with Pastrnak & Geekie

I love that line

Lindholm game is getting better and better - he will eventually be a really good 60 point guy

I was counting how many great set ups he had at game last night that Geekie or Pasta could have scored and it was 5

They need another RW to hit on lines 2-3

Coyle had another good game there

 

[goldenblack]

I think in the trade deadline contest, my #1 traded guy HAS to be Wotherspoon (UFA with no chance to be resigned).

Callahan is such a breath of fresh air. When do you ever notice him? For a defensive defensemen that's the highest compliment you can pay. His came is so clean. 25, so coming into his prime. 6'2 200, so not elite size but good solid NHL size.

Callahan has to be the new Spoon. Means sending Spoon to the West for a 3rd (seems fair?) has to be on the radar I'd think. And fwiw I LOVE Spoon. But this is a cap and roster thing.

The only "ya but" is if they deal Carlo.

 

[Kegs]

I personally would stop looking for a number one center ~ Zacha works phenomenally with Pastrnak & Geekie

I love that line

Lindholm game is getting better and better - he will eventually be a really good 60 point guy

I was counting how many great set ups he had at game last night that Geekie or Pasta could have scored and it was 5

They need another RW to hit on lines 2-3

Coyle had another good game there

Lindholms shot has more pop. I noticed that. I think his wrist injury was causing him issues.

 

[PlayMakers]

Yet he’s outscoring Zegras this season with Zegras being 3 years older. You can choose to ignore the numbers but they’re there. You also ignore the TOI factor.

Zegras has 6 goals and 15 points in 31 games.
Poitras has 1 goal and 11 points in 24 games.

How is Poitras outscoring Zegras this season?