They were no better with those two in the lineup.
Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIV
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I don’t like Hampus’ contract, but at 31 he is still quite a good defenseman and I think the overall team would look better with him back in. He didn’t have a good start to the season, but he only played 17 games, so let’s see how he does when he comes back. He pushes down the minutes for the other left defenseman, all of whom have struggled with the increased workload), and I think he would ease the burden on McAvoy and help him get his game back. Even if they aren’t paired together, Hampus can take some of the hard matchup minutes away from McAvoy.
Reports say he may be ready to start playing games after the 4 Nations, so we’ll find out soon.
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PlayMakers
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If it were up to me, my deadline approach would be as follows...
If I could add a first line center at a discount I take that chance. I know it doesn't make the Bruins a contender this year, but it gives me hope they could contend next year with a good off-season. Pettersson, Miller, Barzal (even though he's played RW since they got Horvat), even Mittelstadt, they all have warts but they also have immense talent.
Failing that...
I would move Carlo for a young center, maybe a guy who's struggling the last 2 years like Cozens/Zegras, or a guy who was projected to be a top6 but hasn't popped yet, like Sillinger, or even an NHL ready prospect like Del Bel Belluz. There has to be a fit somewhere along that spectrum.
Then I'd move Coyle under similar criteria, but this time I'd be looking at defensemen. I think Coyle would be sought after in New Jersey and Vegas and they're probably not on his no trade list. I'm not looking for a star here so Seamus Casey in NJ is probably a reach, but someone like Kaeden Korczak in Vegas could be a good fit. Big, strong, can skate, moves the puck well... Kovacevic is also an option if they don't think he's critical to their playoff chances. Both teams have the cap space.
Freddy goes if he wants more than $4m and isn't signed by 4Nations. (I think Frederic will want $4-5m.) I would like to think a reasonable return would be a 2nd and 4th but we've seen 'gritty' guys go for more.
I keep Geekie. He's the same age as our core and I think he'll outproduce his next contract. I also think it would cost a lot more to replace him in free agency. At worst, I think he'll be worth more a year from now and at best he'll be too valuable to trade (if he cracks 30 next year).
I'd probably keep Brazeau too. He's not going to fetch much in trade and he's not going to be expensive to re-sign. I think one of the big mistakes with this team this year is that there was no competition for jobs. They didn't have the cap space for it and the kids didn't have great camps. Brazeau and Wahlstrom (if he's not waived) can push guys for jobs in the fall.
I'd see if there's a market for Korpisalo and give DiPietro a shot in the NHL. Korpisalo has had a solid season and would upgrade the tandem in Utah. DiPietro is a UFA at the end of the season and I'd like to find out if he can be a backup here next year, or if we have to sign another veteran.
Marchand is a tough one. I don't want him to go and I'd only move him if I thought my chances of getting him back were better than 50/50. I guess it would be negligent not to see what's out there in terms of offers, but the two most likely destinations, Colorado and Vegas, don't have 1st round picks or even particularly good prospects. Would Colorado give up Mittelstadt for him? If the return isn't great I'd rather keep him.
Ideally, Plan B would add two NHL players (F & D) to the lineup. It would give us a 2nd and 4th for a full slate of picks at the draft. And it clears $12m which gives us about $32m in cap space, plenty of room to re-sign our RFA's and to make a big offer to Rantanen or Ehlers.
I'd also get Lysell up for the rest of the season to let him get comfortable and see if he can be a middle6 winger for us next year. (I think he'll be up regardless.)
Lastly, I let Sacco and the whole coaching staff go and bring in the best young coach I could get. It takes so long to teach a new defensive system... I bring that guy in now so they have 25 games to lay the groundwork and set the plan for the off-season.
If I could add a first line center at a discount I take that chance. I know it doesn't make the Bruins a contender this year, but it gives me hope they could contend next year with a good off-season. Pettersson, Miller, Barzal (even though he's played RW since they got Horvat), even Mittelstadt, they all have warts but they also have immense talent.
Failing that...
I would move Carlo for a young center, maybe a guy who's struggling the last 2 years like Cozens/Zegras, or a guy who was projected to be a top6 but hasn't popped yet, like Sillinger, or even an NHL ready prospect like Del Bel Belluz. There has to be a fit somewhere along that spectrum.
Then I'd move Coyle under similar criteria, but this time I'd be looking at defensemen. I think Coyle would be sought after in New Jersey and Vegas and they're probably not on his no trade list. I'm not looking for a star here so Seamus Casey in NJ is probably a reach, but someone like Kaeden Korczak in Vegas could be a good fit. Big, strong, can skate, moves the puck well... Kovacevic is also an option if they don't think he's critical to their playoff chances. Both teams have the cap space.
Freddy goes if he wants more than $4m and isn't signed by 4Nations. (I think Frederic will want $4-5m.) I would like to think a reasonable return would be a 2nd and 4th but we've seen 'gritty' guys go for more.
I keep Geekie. He's the same age as our core and I think he'll outproduce his next contract. I also think it would cost a lot more to replace him in free agency. At worst, I think he'll be worth more a year from now and at best he'll be too valuable to trade (if he cracks 30 next year).
I'd probably keep Brazeau too. He's not going to fetch much in trade and he's not going to be expensive to re-sign. I think one of the big mistakes with this team this year is that there was no competition for jobs. They didn't have the cap space for it and the kids didn't have great camps. Brazeau and Wahlstrom (if he's not waived) can push guys for jobs in the fall.
I'd see if there's a market for Korpisalo and give DiPietro a shot in the NHL. Korpisalo has had a solid season and would upgrade the tandem in Utah. DiPietro is a UFA at the end of the season and I'd like to find out if he can be a backup here next year, or if we have to sign another veteran.
Marchand is a tough one. I don't want him to go and I'd only move him if I thought my chances of getting him back were better than 50/50. I guess it would be negligent not to see what's out there in terms of offers, but the two most likely destinations, Colorado and Vegas, don't have 1st round picks or even particularly good prospects. Would Colorado give up Mittelstadt for him? If the return isn't great I'd rather keep him.
Ideally, Plan B would add two NHL players (F & D) to the lineup. It would give us a 2nd and 4th for a full slate of picks at the draft. And it clears $12m which gives us about $32m in cap space, plenty of room to re-sign our RFA's and to make a big offer to Rantanen or Ehlers.
I'd also get Lysell up for the rest of the season to let him get comfortable and see if he can be a middle6 winger for us next year. (I think he'll be up regardless.)
Lastly, I let Sacco and the whole coaching staff go and bring in the best young coach I could get. It takes so long to teach a new defensive system... I bring that guy in now so they have 25 games to lay the groundwork and set the plan for the off-season.
pucksindeep92
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Marchand would sign in the summer still if we traded him. I can easily see next year being a “one last rodeo” for him. He can go have a legit shot at a cup somewhere this year, and set up his final year to be a little better with whatever return they can get for him, which is a 1st +
Trade Frederic. Maybe Sweeney can get lucky enough for a Jeannot 2.0.
Trade Coyle. His playoff game is where he’s best, and teams know this. He may not be as great this year, but he can also command a good return given term left and his ability to help a team win now.
Center Market is ass this summer. See if you can pry Miller or Pettersson with some of the trade chips/draft capital you just made. Colorado could part with Mittelstadt.
Don’t know how you trick Buffalo into giving you Tage. Regardless, don’t give a 33 year old like Brock Nelson a 3 year contract in July just because you want a center.
Carlo opens up a likely net loss on the market search when it’s all said and done. I only move him in a specific package that brings back an elite 1c. Gavrikov this summer could be a nice add though if we lose Brando. Callahan could replace Peeke though.
With all these trades, you open up plenty of cap room this year. I would explore acting as a 3rd team broker for cash tight contenders.
You do 67% of this and you are set up to make moves in the standings, market, or both next year.
And with the cap going up, screw it, look at Ehlers,Boeser, even Rantanen if they aren’t signed.
Trade Frederic. Maybe Sweeney can get lucky enough for a Jeannot 2.0.
Trade Coyle. His playoff game is where he’s best, and teams know this. He may not be as great this year, but he can also command a good return given term left and his ability to help a team win now.
Center Market is ass this summer. See if you can pry Miller or Pettersson with some of the trade chips/draft capital you just made. Colorado could part with Mittelstadt.
Don’t know how you trick Buffalo into giving you Tage. Regardless, don’t give a 33 year old like Brock Nelson a 3 year contract in July just because you want a center.
Carlo opens up a likely net loss on the market search when it’s all said and done. I only move him in a specific package that brings back an elite 1c. Gavrikov this summer could be a nice add though if we lose Brando. Callahan could replace Peeke though.
With all these trades, you open up plenty of cap room this year. I would explore acting as a 3rd team broker for cash tight contenders.
You do 67% of this and you are set up to make moves in the standings, market, or both next year.
And with the cap going up, screw it, look at Ehlers,Boeser, even Rantanen if they aren’t signed.
BlackFrancis
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Now you got me feeling all sad, remembering Michael Keaton being funny instead of severely constipated.
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TCB
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Man this site is so negative! Bruins are 6pts out of first place hahahah. Sell sell sell.
Playing without their top three dman last game and a goalie who played one of his worst games of the year.
People need to relax.
Playing without their top three dman last game and a goalie who played one of his worst games of the year.
People need to relax.
LouJersey
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very good work. I'm in line mostly for sure. Would you do Carlo for Lapierre and Chesley then deal Coyle for a RHD? I would go to Colorado with both Marchand and Frederic and come back with Ritchie, a 1, and Colton.
Changes have to be made one way or the other, wish they would start with the front office, keep Gold and the rest can go.
TCB
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I guess it’s all depends on how you look at the glass, half full or half empty, but when you bring facts to the equation imo it changes ones perspective. The Bruins have 5 games left before the break, and they could be 3rd in the Atlantic or 12th in the conference once the break is here.
With this teams results having been just as putrid with those three in the line up as it is with them out of the line-up. Creates doubt and realism more than negativity.
Sweeney built a team that’s offensively challenged and his strategic decision making is in question when offensive players like Lysell and Merkulov don’t get a chance with the parent club, but plugs like Brown, McLaughlin and Jones do, along with his off season FA signings, being on his 3rd coach in 3years, all this reflects on issues with management decisions, and their inability to build an overall team with good structure.
A guy like Marchand should get you a teams top prospect and say a 2nd, but Frederic won't. So I think its much more likely you get a pick for #11.
Vancouver would be fools making a trade like that.
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I agree with just about every one of your suggestions
BUT- given the Jacobs need to make the playoffs (and its revenue stream) I fear the eventual moves by the front office will look nothing like your have written
ODAAT
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or the entire yearI guess you didn't see the last game.
If it was a total one off instead of groundhog day, I would 1000% agree with you.
Yeah I get it with the top 3D out.
I wouldn't say "everyone" killed the players. Saw plenty of blame to Monty and Sweeney for going into the playoffs with two 37+ years old top 6Cs. Also see plenty of people say in 2019 we got lucky and also, albeit fairly, blaming him for a lack of top 6 RW. Don't see much credit given to him for the team getting to the cup, but we're quick to blame him when the team is bad. But obviously my statement isn't going to relate to every poster.
That said, I think Sweeney gets some leash because of 2019 and 2023, though I'm thinking his tenure is definitely nearing its end here.
Just to get things straight here though since I didn't live through the Sinden era myself, we are comparing a guy who didn't win a cup over 28 years to a guy who's been GM for 10 years? I can't imagine what this place would be saying if Sweeney was GM for 18 more years and didn't win anything.
You are calling it right. Timing is interesting, look over here, not over there.
Jorah Marshmont
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They’re 7 points out of first place in the division.
6 points ahead of 15th in the conference.
Considering they’re bottom 10 in GF, GA, Diff, PP, PK and both goalies have a SV% under .900, which seems more likely?
Your numbers tell a story, but let's be honest our eyes do not fail us. This is the most uninspiring team we have watched since I can remember, how many games have we watched this year have made us really say that was a good hockey game.
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remer
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I think the next few games will indicate which route Cam and Sweeney will take. I think they recognize that they are not a Stanley Cup contender. So is it time to do a few drastic things that can set this team up for the future.
So if you can move some big players and get back some major returns the trade deadline is the time to do it. Teams are desperate if they’ve got a shot at taking a long run to the cup and they’re willing to give up assets so let’s consider what Boston could do.
Brad Marchand- if you could convince Brad that we’re trading you to a Stanley Cup contender and we hope to re-sign you as a UFA, this would be a smart move. The return would be excellent and other players have done this in the past.
Charlie Coyle- another player that could bring back a decent return. Coyle has been a good playoff performer and many teams could use a player like him. He would bring you cap space and a good return.
Elias Lindholm - if the team is looking for a center, I think this would be a good salary dump if somehow they could pull it off. Not likely.
Trent Frederick/ Justin Brazeau- I would see what they want when it comes to a contract and if it’s reasonable, I would sign them if not reasonable then I would like to trade them.
Joonas Korpisalo- if a team is looking for some extra help when it comes to goal, tending for a playoff run, you have to offer him up. De Pietro or Bussi shown that they are ready to take the next step and it also frees up cap space.
AHL- make some decisions on the players that are in the AHL. Trade-off who you can and it’s time to give Lysell and Merkulov a chance at the NHL.
So if you can move some big players and get back some major returns the trade deadline is the time to do it. Teams are desperate if they’ve got a shot at taking a long run to the cup and they’re willing to give up assets so let’s consider what Boston could do.
Brad Marchand- if you could convince Brad that we’re trading you to a Stanley Cup contender and we hope to re-sign you as a UFA, this would be a smart move. The return would be excellent and other players have done this in the past.
Charlie Coyle- another player that could bring back a decent return. Coyle has been a good playoff performer and many teams could use a player like him. He would bring you cap space and a good return.
Elias Lindholm - if the team is looking for a center, I think this would be a good salary dump if somehow they could pull it off. Not likely.
Trent Frederick/ Justin Brazeau- I would see what they want when it comes to a contract and if it’s reasonable, I would sign them if not reasonable then I would like to trade them.
Joonas Korpisalo- if a team is looking for some extra help when it comes to goal, tending for a playoff run, you have to offer him up. De Pietro or Bussi shown that they are ready to take the next step and it also frees up cap space.
AHL- make some decisions on the players that are in the AHL. Trade-off who you can and it’s time to give Lysell and Merkulov a chance at the NHL.
22Brad Park
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Sweeney is good at building around cores but can't put one together to save his life.
Just addressing one of these - Marchand. Preface this that I’m a a fan of his, as I suspect we all are.
I look at his situation as an obvious opportunity to add assets. The ONLY argument to keep him, IMO, is that it’s not common practice to trade a captain and lifer and you absolutely have to ensure he’s on board with it. But if he would be, he’s a 100% trade IMO. He’s a deteriorating asset, they aren’t going to contend when he’s a top 6 forward, and I think he’d get at least a first in return. They desperately need another first as it’s likely Donny will have to use another first at some point to pay some team to take Lindholm off his hands, his latest UFA whiff.
But on top of that, and it doesn’t have to just be a Marchand issue, but doesn’t it seem at least possible there’s a real leadership problem on this team? Why give Marchand a pass for that? This team has given up 6 goals or more like 7-8 times. They’re on coach two and no better. They had a lousy camp and every veteran has underperformed. On the face of it, your leadership team kinda stinks.
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