Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIV

[Hookslide]

Sacco needs to play Frederic and Coyle at center. They haven't looked good at all at wing this year.

I agree, they are better than the two centers they are using now.

 

[gerrycheeversmask]

I agree, they are better than the two centers they are using now.

I know it won't happen, but I would like Sacco to reunite Marchand and Lindolm and try Frederic on the wing. Last season, I wanted nothing to do with signing Lindholm, but after watching him a lot during the playoffs, I changed my mind. Often, the Canucks best line would be their 3rd (Lindholm, Garland, Joshua). I feel like a Lindholm-Marchand-Frederic combo could be somewhat similar. It's worth a try imo.

 

[DKH]

My concern is they get everyone back and make the playoffs and knock out Leafs and people will expect them to beat Florida in round 2

Blow it up

Tank for Hagens

 

[TCB]

I don't think that is fair to say about Petterson. I don't care if it's sports or out in the working world, a good manager or coach knows that not everyone responds positively to the same thing and gets to know the people under them and figure out what approach works and what doesn't. The blanket approach may of worked years ago but it's much more individual now. Some guys need to be punished, others their ego stroked, some challenged to step up, etc. etc.

Miller was told flat out to lay off Petterson, his approach did not work with this player/teammate and unfortunately Miller only seems to know one way to do things, his way. That's concerning for any GM bringing him in.

Im not getting your point here, on whats not fair about saying Pettersson needs coddling ? Its not a matter of fair or not, it is what it is, and yes a good coach will realize this and will adapt to each certain players personalities. Some players will need a kick in the @$$ others may need some coddling, doesn't make either one a bad person, its just their personalty. A good coach will find out what motivates a player and how to use to get the most out of each player.

 

[BruinDust]

Im not getting your point here, on whats not fair about saying Pettersson needs coddling ? Its not a matter of fair or not, it is what it is, and yes a good coach will realize this and will adapt to each certain players personalities. Some players will need a kick in the @$$ others may will some coddling, doesn't make either one a bad person, its just their personalty. A good coach will find out what motivates a player and how to use to get the most out of each player.

Why does he need to be "coddled" like he's some sort of child just because he's not taking JT Miller's BS. Just because JT Miller gives him shit Petterson suddenly has to respond to it?

JT Miller is his peer, he was told to back off, and frankly what credibility does JT Miller have to be giving anyone shit? He's never won anything. He's not the captain. Who put him in charge? Then you see that video where he quits on the play and is slumping his shoulders. Sounds like JT Miller talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Who listens to a phony with no credibility?

Is Petterson some quiet little guy who is intimidated by the more abrasive Miller? Or is he saying to himself "I'm a better hockey player than this guy will ever be, why would I listen to Miller when he's coming across like a jackass?"

 

[EverettMike]

On the other hand I'm sure everyone here would still give Sweeney credit if he built a legit contender and the players blow it...oh wait

I gave him credit for 2023 while it was happening and blamed the players for being choking dogs, so.......

 

[quietbruinfan]

They should sell. That much I know; the debate is as to whom. Our three candidates are as follows: Coyle, Carlo and Frederic.
The criteria I am using is importance to the team, Salary, replacements and age. TF, kinda stinks can be replaced by many though it might be a backfill player like Blueger or Girgensons who is toast to be fair.

Carlo young, has stunk this year but is generally a slightly above-average second pairing d. He has lots of pk and other responsibility. He is however temporarily replaceable by one of the raft of seventh d we have.
Coyle highest salary but most responsibilities and Frederic or Merk is not an adequate replacement.

Verdict: Bye, Bye Freddy

I thought it would be Carlo as number one on my list, but as I break it down, it's Frederic. A trade of Carlo and one of the two is also very possible. Carlo and Coyle means you are giving up on the season but could get you a decent player and 8-10 million in cap space.

 

[Coach Parker]

Why does he need to be "coddled" like he's some sort of child just because he's not taking JT Miller's BS. Just because JT Miller gives him shit Petterson suddenly has to respond to it?

JT Miller is his peer, he was told to back off, and frankly what credibility does JT Miller have to be giving anyone shit? He's never won anything. He's not the captain. Who put him in charge? Then you see that video where he quits on the play and is slumping his shoulders. Sounds like JT Miller talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Who listens to a phony with no credibility?

Is Petterson some quiet little guy who is intimidated by the more abrasive Miller? Or is he saying to himself "I'm a better hockey player than this guy will ever be, why would I listen to Miller when he's coming across like a jackass?"

I don't want to get into it here as it is all over this city but the issues with Pettersson aren't just Miller's problem or him being the only one with issues with him.

I can't stress this enough. If it was just Miller having issues with him and his 'work' then he would be gone long ago.

 

[TCB]

Why does he need to be "coddled" like he's some sort of child just because he's not taking JT Miller's BS. Just because JT Miller gives him shit Petterson suddenly has to respond to it?

JT Miller is his peer, he was told to back off, and frankly what credibility does JT Miller have to be giving anyone shit? He's never won anything. He's not the captain. Who put him in charge? Then you see that video where he quits on the play and is slumping his shoulders. Sounds like JT Miller talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Who listens to a phony with no credibility?

Is Petterson some quiet little guy who is intimidated by the more abrasive Miller? Or is he saying to himself "I'm a better hockey player than this guy will ever be, why would I listen to Miller when he's coming across like a jackass?"

You can have your take thats find, I think he needs coddling regardless of the incident with JT Miller, to get the best out of him. He doesn't respond well to some one lashing out on him, thats his persanelty, he does much better with a guy like Bruce Boudreau as his head coach who's well Known as a players coach. Maybe a better word could of been used sure but I'll stick with Coddling.

This isn't about miller he's an A-Hole just for riding a teammate like that when he knows it disrupts the team, but Pettersson a great hockey player shouldn't let it affect his play on the ice and he clearly has, because like b.richarardson said a player whos played with EP "He will shutdown if you get on him" So to me thats someone who needs a voice of encouragement some coddling if you will.

 

[Coach Parker]

I'm gonna tread lightly on this one and hint at the other side:

Imagine you have a player who you think is elite. Who has played elite. Now imagine they never (I hate using absolutes) go to the coaches to get suggestions. Never stay late like Chara, never hit the gym. Never seem to come out and speak to the media after losses even though they wear a letter.

Now imagine you are a guy like Chara who expects you to stay late, work on the weaknesses, hit the gym, work on your game, get feedback. Imagine you are Chara putting up a PPG in the playoffs and the guy with more talent than you is clocking in and out quietly.

What do you do when Chara starts blasting him in the dressing room for his play? What if the only time you see him talking to the coaches is when Julien is the one to call him over and work on something.

After a loss and Chara is breaking sticks and screaming in the room, that guy is calmly undressing and getting ready to leave out the back door.

They are two entirely different personalities and the trick is to decide which one you want joining the Bruins dressing room. Which room is best for each?

One will scream at you until you match his intensity in the playoffs.
The other will be dead silent 24/7 and leave hockey at the rink as soon as the game ends.
One calls out teammates every time he sees a mistake, even when he makes them. Then he gets exhausted.
The other laughs it off and continues to try their best in their own quiet way.

It's just a different way of doing things. One thing for sure, the Chara guy puts up and rises when the playoff intensity is on but he has trouble turning it off in the regular season with his emotions.

 

[Coach Parker]

I guess it's like having your best player with the most raw talent; would you want him to be a more silent Krejci (even more reserved than Krejci) or an even more intense than Lucic?

This is where I am happy with either because either will take Pastrnak or Marchand to a whole other level and I believe the pressure in Boston is nothing compared to the pressure and currently environment in Vancouver.

This is also where you could see a room being divided; half wanting to be intense demanding and the other half wanting everyone to chill and take it easy and find their way on their own at their own individual pace.

 

[TCB]

I'm gonna tread lightly on this one and hint at the other side:

Imagine you have a player who you think is elite. Who has played elite. Now imagine they never (I hate using absolutes) go to the coaches to get suggestions. Never stay late like Chara, never hit the gym. Never seem to come out and speak to the media after losses even though they wear a letter.

Now imagine you are a guy like Chara who expects you to stay late, work on the weaknesses, hit the gym, work on your game, get feedback. Imagine you are Chara putting up a PPG in the playoffs and the guy with more talent than you is clocking in and out quietly.

What do you do when Chara starts blasting him in the dressing room for his play? What if the only time you see him talking to the coaches is when Julien is the one to call him over and work on something.

After a loss and Chara is breaking sticks and screaming in the room, that guy is calmly undressing and getting ready to leave out the back door.

They are two entirely different personalities and the trick is to decide which one you want joining the Bruins dressing room. Which room is best for each?

One will scream at you until you match his intensity in the playoffs.
The other will be dead silent 24/7 and leave hockey at the rink as soon as the game ends.
One calls out teammates every time he sees a mistake, even when he makes them. Then he gets exhausted.
The other laughs it off and continues to try their best in their own quiet way.

It's just a different way of doing things. One thing for sure, the Chara guy puts up and rises when the playoff intensity is on but he has trouble turning it off in the regular season with his emotions.

With these two taking in age and contracts, I'd lean towards Pettersson if he's the guy who your saying .... Is dead silent 24/7 and leaves hockey at the rink as soon as the game ends and laughs it off and continues to try their best in their own quiet way.

As long as he gives it his all when hes on the ice, and about that playoff intensity ? Pettersson had a 18 point playoff one year in 17 games, so Im thinking under the right circumstances he will raise his intensity during the playoffs as well.

 

[BruinDust]

You can have your take thats find, I think he needs coddling regardless of the incident with JT Miller, to get the best out of him. He doesn't respond well to some one lashing out on him, thats his persanelty, he does much better with a guy like Bruce Boudreau as his head coach who's well Known as a players coach. Maybe a better word could of been used sure but I'll stick with Coddling.

This isn't about miller he's an A-Hole just for riding a teammate like that when he knows it disrupts the team, but Pettersson a great hockey player shouldn't let it affect his play on the ice and he clearly has, because like b.richarardson said a player whos played with EP "He will shutdown if you get on him" So to me thats someone who needs a voice of encouragement some coddling if you will.

I think it's more of a clash of egos than anything else. Two alpha males who are like oil and water. One is abrasive, the other is more of quiet confidence. The abrasive one has no credibility really and the other top forward just isn't eating his shit sandwich. This isn't a rookie on the 4th line being crapped on by a veteran, depending on who you ask, Petterson is the best forward on that team and isn't eating it from someone who he likely considers his peer and a lesser player. And let's be honest, Petteron is absolutely not the only guy Miller has given this sort attitude towards, but as a long-term Canuck and top player, he can stand up to it. A lesser player causes a stink about it, they may not be around all that long.

 

[JCRO]

Too. Much. Complacency.

It has been for far too long. That is where Sweeney really is at fault.

Many thought a trade would happen BEFORE the Monty firing. Reverse order and more of the same after a small boost.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Now that Chara is back as a consultant, what does that say about how management views the current roster? Anything?

 

[quietbruinfan]

I'm gonna tread lightly on this one and hint at the other side:

Imagine you have a player who you think is elite. Who has played elite. Now imagine they never (I hate using absolutes) go to the coaches to get suggestions. Never stay late like Chara, never hit the gym. Never seem to come out and speak to the media after losses even though they wear a letter.

Now imagine you are a guy like Chara who expects you to stay late, work on the weaknesses, hit the gym, work on your game, get feedback. Imagine you are Chara putting up a PPG in the playoffs and the guy with more talent than you is clocking in and out quietly.

What do you do when Chara starts blasting him in the dressing room for his play? What if the only time you see him talking to the coaches is when Julien is the one to call him over and work on something.

After a loss and Chara is breaking sticks and screaming in the room, that guy is calmly undressing and getting ready to leave out the back door.

They are two entirely different personalities and the trick is to decide which one you want joining the Bruins dressing room. Which room is best for each?

One will scream at you until you match his intensity in the playoffs.
The other will be dead silent 24/7 and leave hockey at the rink as soon as the game ends.
One calls out teammates every time he sees a mistake, even when he makes them. Then he gets exhausted.
The other laughs it off and continues to try their best in their own quiet way.

It's just a different way of doing things. One thing for sure, the Chara guy puts up and rises when the playoff intensity is on but he has trouble turning it off in the regular season with his emotions.

You are implicitly comparing Chara to Miller. Miller by all accounts is a hypocrite who yells at his teammates for things, then goes out and does those very things half the time.
That is not Chara.

 

[Coach Parker]

You are implicitly comparing Chara to Miller. Miller by all accounts is a hypocrite who yells at his teammates for things, then goes out and does those very things half the time.
That is not Chara.

No, I used Chara as a floor and asked you to go to another level past him with regards to intensity, expectations and calling people out.

I think it's more of a clash of egos than anything else. Two alpha males who are like oil and water. One is abrasive, the other is more of quiet confidence. The abrasive one has no credibility really and the other top forward just isn't eating his shit sandwich. This isn't a rookie on the 4th line being crapped on by a veteran, depending on who you ask, Petterson is the best forward on that team and isn't eating it from someone who he likely considers his peer and a lesser player. And let's be honest, Petteron is absolutely not the only guy Miller has given this sort attitude towards, but as a long-term Canuck and top player, he can stand up to it. A lesser player causes a stink about it, they may not be around all that long.

And on the flip side of that coin, Miller is not the only person who has had serious issues with Pettersson's compete level and intensity.

 

[TCB]

Boston Bruins linked to several centers ahead of trade deadline

The Boston Bruins have reportedly been linked to four centers ahead of the 2025 trade deadline on March 7.

causewaycrowd.com

Its beginning

 

[Coach Parker]

With these two taking in age and contracts, I'd lean towards Pettersson if he's the guy who your saying .... Is dead silent 24/7 and leaves hockey at the rink as soon as the game ends and laughs it off and continues to try their best in their own quiet way.

As long as he gives it his all when hes on the ice, and about that playoff intensity ? Pettersson had a 18 point playoff one year in 17 games, so Im thinking under the right circumstances he will raise his intensity during the playoffs as well.

I can agree with this and I think so. I also can see how Miller can elevate his game (103 points last year and was the best forward in the playoffs last year).

It all comes down to the type of personality of the player that you think will excel in Boston. Think for a second how the fanbase and media would have reacted if Pastrnak was on pace for 60 points, wasn't talking to the media and not appearing to work on his game. How would this fan base respond?

Now think of how this fan base responded to Lucic but amp that up another notch.

 

[Coach Parker]

With these two taking in age and contracts, I'd lean towards Pettersson if he's the guy who your saying .... Is dead silent 24/7 and leaves hockey at the rink as soon as the game ends and laughs it off and continues to try their best in their own quiet way.

As long as he gives it his all when hes on the ice, and about that playoff intensity ? Pettersson had a 18 point playoff one year in 17 games, so Im thinking under the right circumstances he will raise his intensity during the playoffs as well.

The issue for a LOT of fans here is that his point production and visual play as well as effort level seems to have dropped off almost immediately coinciding with signing the big guaranteed contract. It's not a good look at all.

 

[Coach Parker]

Now that Chara is back as a consultant, what does that say about how management views the current roster? Anything?

Sees them as under-performing in their own personal expectactions and lacking leadership and accountability?

 

[sarge88]

They should sell. That much I know; the debate is as to whom. Our three candidates are as follows: Coyle, Carlo and Frederic.
The criteria I am using is importance to the team, Salary, replacements and age. TF, kinda stinks can be replaced by many though it might be a backfill player like Blueger or Girgensons who is toast to be fair.

Carlo young, has stunk this year but is generally a slightly above-average second pairing d. He has lots of pk and other responsibility. He is however temporarily replaceable by one of the raft of seventh d we have.
Coyle highest salary but most responsibilities and Frederic or Merk is not an adequate replacement.

Verdict: Bye, Bye Freddy

I thought it would be Carlo as number one on my list, but as I break it down, it's Frederic. A trade of Carlo and one of the two is also very possible. Carlo and Coyle means you are giving up on the season but could get you a decent player and 8-10 million in cap space.

If they’re going to sell….why stop at one?

Sincerely, given that players often get more than they are worth back at the deadline, why not trade anyone who can bring something valuable back, aside from Pasta, McAvoy, Sway, maybe one or two others?

Watching Thompson last night reminds me of exactly how deadline deals should happen. St. Louis got O’Reilly who was integral during their cup run, Buffalo got a much younger stud.

Sure, Buffalo hasn’t been good, but that’s certainly not Thompson’sfault.

Make trades for prospects….not picks. Guys who are on a Thompson-like trajectory.

 

[TCB]

 

[GordonHowe]

Its beginning

Now *that* is music to my ears!

 

[quietbruinfan]

If they’re going to sell….why stop at one?

Sincerely, given that players often get more than they are worth back at the deadline, why not trade anyone who can bring something valuable back, aside from Pasta, McAvoy, Sway, maybe one or two others?

Watching Thompson last night reminds me of exactly how deadline deals should happen. St. Louis got O’Reilly who was integral during their cup run, Buffalo got a much younger stud.

Sure, Buffalo hasn’t been good, but that certainly not Thompson fault.

Mike trades for prospects….not picks. Guys who are on a Thompson-like trajectory.

I agree, but at the same time don't want to create more than one or two holes on the roster. Most general managers operate by moving what is replaceable in the short term-even in a rebuild.