Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIII

[Sheppy]

Yea but we sure could use his 100 points. The guy produces.

He's probably not scoring 100 points here.

 

[Hookslide]

The further this team sinks into stinky, the less I like the idea of acquiring Miller.

Unless as PM laid out a few days or so ago, its roster players going out instead of picks and prospects. Especially roster players not in your future plans.

Not that Im married to any of our current prospects. But no picks should be moved. Period.

I would move the prospects before any picks, I just not impressed with them, other than maybe Loheri, although he might not be what everyone thinks or hopes he is.

Lindholm had 44 points last year. He's on pace for 39 this year. What cliff has he fallen off of? He is exactly the player we signed.

Correct, and he did not have the cast all year.

 

[Cam14b]

I would do Coyle, Carlo, and Lysell for Miller!! We have d coming back (hopefully soon) to cover for Carlo, Miller allows Elias to play 3rd line center, and Sweeney doesn't seem willing to give Lysell a real chance.

 

[Absurdity]

You may be right there.

Question is, even if that's the case, can the Bruins right the ship enough next season to make it worth having Miller?

With pieces like McAvoy, Pastrnak, Swayman in place, and some good players beyond them (if not enough overall depth of course), it could be premature to write off the Bruins chances to turn things around next year.

Miller does bring an intensity this team could really use.

I think the Bruins can retool this year and be back in it next year. Question is if Miller would be a good addition to a team that is looking the way they do currently, and would he make it better after creating holes on the rest of the roster? Would Miller even waive to a struggling Bruins team?

There's this tibbit from yesterday too:

8. The Hurricanes and Rangers are two of the teams with permission to talk to J.T. Miller. Believe the New York offer was Filip Chytil, a first-rounder and a prospect. I get very mixed messages on New Jersey. The Rangers have the cap room to do it, but the Devils would need to perform roster surgery to pull it off. Yes, they struggled until pounding Boston on Wednesday, but that’s a good team. I’m not convinced about Dallas, either. I always assume I’m missing something, though.

 

[Beyonder]

On pace for less goals this year than last year with the Kings. He's certainly found his game.

Eh, he is definitely doing better with the Caps. He is 2 pts off his total from last year in just over half the season, his TOI is up, and there seem to be few complaints about his performance at least compared to the past few years. He has also picked up the pace as the season unfolds.

Not saying he is earning all of his $ but it is a good step forward compared to his prior free fall.

 

[PlayMakers]

All true but is he actually performing that well or is the rest of the system/team simply that poor this season?

Ideally McAvoy (struggled), Lindholm (injured), Carlo (abysmal) should be ahead of Zadorov... which does leave him as the ideal #3/4 if he continues this season.

Majority of his career he averages 16-18 ATOI. 3rd pair minutes.

Time will tell. Regardless I am a fan and glad to have him albeit somewhat wondering if that salary might have been better utilized on a top 6 scoring forward. 50-50 undecided.

I agree that he has been a 3rd pair D for most of his career, but he hasn't been that here. Here, he plays over 20 minutes a night.

Fwiw, I'm not suggesting Zadorov is on a level with McAvoy or Hampus, but he seems to have replaced Carlo as the next guy in line. Even before Hampus got hurt, Zadorov was 3rd on the D in TOI.

With McAvoy and Lindholm out, Zadorov has played 23, 24 minutes a night against Tkachuk (no goals allowed) against Jack Hughes (no goals allowed), against Kucherov (no goals allowed)... He's +4 in the 5 games without McAvoy.

You said time will tell. Well we have a 50 game sample where he has clearly played above what you would expect from a 3rd pair D, both in terms of ice time, matchups and actual goals for/against.

 

[BruinDust]

Eh, he is definitely doing better with the Caps. He is 2 pts off his total from last year in just over half the season, his TOI is up, and there seem to be few complaints about his performance at least compared to the past few years. He has also picked up the pace as the season unfolds.

Not saying he is earning all of his $ but it is a good step forward compared to his prior free fall.

He's also playing for a team with the highest shooting % in the NHL this year at 13%. To give that context, that's a full % point above last year's 1st place team in shooting %. Last year the Kings were 22nd at 9.7%.

Look, he's playing better than he did in LA. I don't doubt that. His ice time is up compared to last year like you said.

 

[Dr Hook]

Correct, and he did not have the cast all year.

I hope you guys have to eat a giant helping of crow on Lindholm. I've already sampled it because of him and it tastes like shit.

 

[TCB]

I agree that he has been a 3rd pair D for most of his career, but he hasn't been that here. Here, he plays over 20 minutes a night.

Fwiw, I'm not suggesting Zadorov is on a level with McAvoy or Hampus, but he seems to have replaced Carlo as the next guy in line. Even before Hampus got hurt, Zadorov was 3rd on the D in TOI.

With McAvoy and Lindholm out, Zadorov has played 23, 24 minutes a night against Tkachuk (no goals allowed) against Jack Hughes (no goals allowed), against Kucherov (no goals allowed)... He's +4 in the 5 games without McAvoy. What 3rd pair defender does that?

You said time will tell. Well we have a 50 game sample where he has clearly played above what you would expect from a 3rd pair D, both in terms of ice time, matchups and actual goals for/against.

Zadarov is what he is, One mean SOB who's solid defensively and isn't going to let anyone take out any liberties on any of his teammates, but I wouldn't call him a true shutdown defenseman, he's not a guy who you say hey go out there and shut-down Brady Tkachuk or Jack Hughes. Sure neither of them tore up the scoreboard against the Bruins,but both those players and teams have had it pretty rough lately, tkachuck no points in his last 9games and the sens have been shut-out 5 times since the new Year. The devils winning only twice in Januarary entering their game against the B's.

 

[PlayMakers]

Carlo's chart is also bad because he's been bad. Crazy how I'm able to be objective about a player that I like and have defended in the past. You should try it.

Yeah, you sound super objective and rational.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Yes, I am comparing similar players with similar PPG stats at similar ages.

On the onset, it seems like an unfair comparison.

But the numbers are the numbers. You’re not claiming they’re the same player… simply that they appear to have congruent point total history, so the trajectory isn’t at all outlandish.

I don’t see the problem with that.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Carlo's chart is also bad because he's been bad. Crazy how I'm able to be objective about a player that I like and have defended in the past. You should try it.

While I agree that it’s disingenuous to dismiss advance stats when they don’t favour your opinion, while lauding them when they do - I don’t think PlayMakers is doing that here. In fact, even within the this very conversation, he admitted that Zadorov was a disaster to start the season under Montgomery and it’s only after he’s settled in a bit that that’s turned.

 

[GHFC79]

I don't think the team is as horrible as many people think. It seems to me that the drama over the Swayman contract and Marchand and Pastrnak´s injuries were the main reasons for the disastrous start of the season. Add that they have been playing without H Lindholm practically the entire season. For me, if they can fix the PP with one or two changes and the return of the injured players, they could take this team to another level.

That being said, I see no reason to keep Frederic on the team when there are Merkulov and Lyssell in the minors.

 

[The don godfather]

I don't think the team is as horrible as many people think. It seems to me that the drama over the Swayman contract and Marchand and Pastrnak´s injuries were the main reasons for the disastrous start of the season. Add that they have been playing without H Lindholm practically the entire season. For me, if they can fix the PP with one or two changes and the return of the injured players, they could take this team to another level.

I agree need some tweaks here and there lookout

 

[Carl Hungus]

if they can fix the PP

 

[TCB]

I don't think the team is as horrible as many people think. It seems to me that the drama over the Swayman contract and Marchand and Pastrnak´s injuries were the main reasons for the disastrous start of the season. Add that they have been playing without H Lindholm practically the entire season. For me, if they can fix the PP with one or two changes and the return of the injured players, they could take this team to another level.

That being said, I see no reason to keep Frederic on the team when there are Merkulov and Lyssell in the minors.

I agree with all, but the Frederic perspective, I think he brings an element this team will miss once he's gone. Lysell and Merk are more offensive skilled players Tfred brings a little bit of everything and that turbulence he brings, this team will be missing as soon as he's gone. With him, Kastelic and Zadarov they make the Bruins a very uncomfortable team to play against, you get healthy and the right add, you never know , but he's a guy I dont want to lose.

He'll be a very wanted commodity come deadline day if the Bruins become sellers.

 

[Bodit9]

On the onset, it seems like an unfair comparison.

But the numbers are the numbers. You’re not claiming they’re the same player… simply that they appear to have congruent point total history, so the trajectory isn’t at all outlandish.

I don’t see the problem with that.

I was looking for a PPG comp for Miller for the next 5 years, the length of his contract. He has a similar PPG curve as Henrik. If his curve ends up matching Henrik's for the rest of his contract (no guarantees it does), he will still be a very effective forward. He doesn't seem to be trending down much yet. Same can't be said for Lindholm. No comment on reported locker room stuff or cost to acquire.

 

[Dr Hook]

I don't think the team is as horrible as many people think. It seems to me that the drama over the Swayman contract and Marchand and Pastrnak´s injuries were the main reasons for the disastrous start of the season. Add that they have been playing without H Lindholm practically the entire season. For me, if they can fix the PP with one or two changes and the return of the injured players, they could take this team to another level.

That being said, I see no reason to keep Frederic on the team when there are Merkulov and Lyssell in the minors.

There may be one or two sour types here that actually think they are horrible, but for the rest of sane-ish people, it is only horrible by comparison. Going from being a solid top 2-3 team in your division (and conference even) to a playoff bubble team in one season is horrible.

For the rest, they need more than Lindholm- he was playing (decently) when it was all going to Monty shit earlier, and Brad and Pasta have been 'healthy' for a good but now. MacAvoy out is a big loss, but he hasn't exactly been doing himself a lot of credit this season. The powerplay has underperformed for the past few years now, though not as bad as it currently is, so if fixing it were a matter of one or two changes, it would have happened.

 

[Hookslide]

I hope you guys have to eat a giant helping of crow on Lindholm. I've already sampled it because of him and it tastes like shit.

Why did you have to eat crow with Lindholm?

 

[The don godfather]

Jt miller would definitely move the needle. I'm very interested.

 

[Dr Hook]

Why did you have to eat crow with Lindholm?

Because I loved the signing and was really excited about it and thought he was going to be a critical part of a team that was going to be good

 

[dugg133]

While I agree that it’s disingenuous to dismiss advance stats when they don’t favour your opinion, while lauding them when they do - I don’t think PlayMakers is doing that here. In fact, even within the this very conversation, he admitted that Zadorov was a disaster to start the season under Montgomery and it’s only after he’s settled in a bit that that’s turned.

This isn't true though.

Monty got fired on November 29th. From the start of the season to that point we had played 24 games and in those games Zadorov had a 50% CF%, 54% xG%, and a 53% SCF%.

Since Sacco took over we have played 26 games where Zadorov has a 45% CF%, 44% xG%, 44% SCF%.

Analytically he really just has not been very good, him being on the ice for a bunch of empty net goals pumping up his +/- doesn't change that.

 

[Hookslide]

I don't think the team is as horrible as many people think. It seems to me that the drama over the Swayman contract and Marchand and Pastrnak´s injuries were the main reasons for the disastrous start of the season. Add that they have been playing without H Lindholm practically the entire season. For me, if they can fix the PP with one or two changes and the return of the injured players, they could take this team to another level.

That being said, I see no reason to keep Frederic on the team when there are Merkulov and Lyssell in the minors.

Mekolov and Lysell, have not shown anything yet that they can be trusted. Mekolov was up last year and I thought he was awful, this year when he was up, I noticed him in the positive, not that it was like he should be playing in the NHL, he shouldn't.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Zadarov is what he is, One mean SOB who's solid defensively and isn't going to let anyone take out any liberties on any of his teammates, but I wouldn't call him a true shutdown defenseman, he's not a guy who you say hey go out there and shut-down Brady Tkachuk or Jack Hughes. Sure neither of them tore up the scoreboard against the Bruins,but both those players and teams have had it pretty rough lately, tkachuck no points in his last 9games and the sens have been shut-out 5 times since the new Year. The devils winning only twice in Januarary entering their game against the B's.

But he’s not solid defensively. He really isn’t, and he never has been.

 

[Dr Hook]

One thing I love about HFBruins is that every day I get to learn new ways in which all of our players suck and from a variety of sources, too.