Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIII

[dugg133]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

Trade the pending UFAs to the highest bidder, explore trading Coyle and maybe Carlo but he's younger and harder to replace, play the kids in the holes left behind. Regroup in the offseason with more draft capital and a ton of cap space.

It's totally feasible for them to go this route and still make the playoffs IMO, the east isn't very good this season and I don't think it's impossible that the kids give you similar contributions that we're getting from some of the vets.

 

[Dizzay]

McAvoy for Dobson+Barzal is interesting! We'd have to add but I like the base

 

[TCB]

McAvoy for Dobson+Barzal is interesting! We'd have to add but I like the base

Certainly has the makings of a deal. A blockbuster, Sweeney and Lou should entertain us and do 7-8 player deal.

 

[Number8]

A missed playoffs will hurt.

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It will. However, Forbes estimates Jeremy Jacobs net worth at $4.6 Billion. A significant chunk of that is the Boston Bruins -- an investment that has made him an extremely wealthy man.

So let's say you bump that figure up to $10M and assume by not trying to sneak into the playoffs you lose two home game Playoff revenue hauls -- $20M.

I guess the question is would the average person invest 0.44% of your net worth to do some much needed repairs on your biggest asset and money maker?

Yes, we can play around with different numbers. My point is simply that playoff revenues are tiny compared to the overall worth of the team and Jacobs. He's going to have to "reinvest" at some point and by that I mean find some cost effective youth prospects -- which might mean missing a PO or two to restock somewhat. His bullpen is pretty empty right now -- and extremely empty when compared against other NHL teams and owners.

 

[TCB]

It will. However, Forbes estimates Jeremy Jacobs net worth at $4.6 Billion. A significant chunk of that is the Boston Bruins -- an investment that has made him an extremely wealthy man.

So let's say you bump that figure up to $10M and assume by not trying to sneak into the playoffs you lose two home game Playoff revenue hauls -- $20M.

I guess the question is would the average person invest 0.44% of your net worth to do some much needed repairs on your biggest asset and money maker?

Yes, we can play around with different numbers. My point is simply that playoff revenues are tiny compared to the overall worth of the team and Jacobs. He's going to have to "reinvest" at some point and by that I mean find some cost effective youth prospects -- which might mean missing a PO or two to restock somewhat. His bullpen is pretty empty right now -- and extremely empty when compared against other NHL teams and owners.

20 mil can win you a national championship

I would think the Jacobs would much prefer to have an extra 20 mil at the end of the season , than go without it. The rich get richer for a reason. The one thing on top of that, if they get in, I think they could beat the Caps and get more than the 2 home games of gate revenue, but problem being for Neely and Sweeney even if they make a deal, their not a lock, unless somehow they can get a true number one Center.

 

[Dr Hook]

unless somehow they can get a true number one Center.

Honestly I think they could get away with getting a top-class playmaking wing like Panarin and acccomplish much the same. Their centers are not objectively bad, just don't have the offensive chops you want in that position. We have that in our best line, with Zacha who is not a true 1C in any sense centering Pasta, so it could work on a second scoring line with the right player.

 

[TCB]

Honestly I think they could get away with getting a top-class playmaking wing like Panarin and acccomplish much the same. Their centers are not objectively bad, just don't have the offensive chops you want in that position. We have that in our best line, with Zacha who is not a true 1C in any sense centering Pasta, so it could work on a second scoring line with the right player.

Is there really anyone out-there who can be had, who can fill that roll ? Sweeney usually keeps things all quiet and then bang he gets someone no one was expecting, so who knows maybe there is.

I mean even with Miller there's been nothing out there having the Bruins as the likely destination.
I would like to see a center added, not only for this year, but for down the road, but sure an elite winger would be nice as well, but I don't think we'll see anything until the 4nations break.

So what were seeing here is imo, is what their going to live or die with till then, I see these next 9 games as being a deciding factor for Sweeney on if he's a seller or a Buyer.

 

[The don godfather]

McAvoy for Dobson+Barzal is interesting! We'd have to add but I like the base

They probably want lohrei and poitras with that. No way.

 

[NDiesel]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

To me a re-tool is looking at your upcoming FAs (next 1 to 3 years) and deciding right now who you don't see as part of the core going forward. I take a hard look at Geekie/Freddy/Coyle/Brazeau/Peeke/Carlo first and ask Marchy what he wants to do.

You sell off the guys you don't see on this team in 2+ years for picks/prospects and re-sign the others to build your bottom 6 around.

You are now armed with some extra assets as well as cap space. Now you either restock the cupboard with the picks/prospects you obtain or you use these extra assets coupled with some roster pieces to find a legit top 6 forward (preferably a center under age 27).

You can replace the guys you moved out through UFA or promotion within.

To me this not only helps fill the hole in the top 6, but gives you a chance to rebuild the bottom 6/depth D by bringing in new players for the guys you move for picks.

You also have the cap space to be heavily involved if an elite UFA hits the market like Rantanen, so I like the options this type of retool gives you to build this roster.

 

[weaponomega]

This is what stood out to me from that Islanders article. And this imo is why the Jacobs family is never overly concerned with the state of the team, and with the front office.

Attendence is tightly coupled to long term team performance for most organizations in the league. Should the Bruins falter for a few years, I don't believe that capacity number would stay at 100%.

 

[TCB]

To me a re-tool is looking at your upcoming FAs (next 1 to 3 years) and deciding right now who you don't see as part of the core going forward. I take a hard look at Geekie/Freddy/Coyle/Brazeau/Peeke/Carlo first and ask Marchy what he wants to do.

You sell off the guys you don't see on this team in 2+ years for picks/prospects and re-sign the others to build your bottom 6 around.

You are now armed with some extra assets as well as cap space. Now you either restock the cupboard with the picks/prospects you obtain or you use these extra assets coupled with some roster pieces to find a legit top 6 forward (preferably a center under age 27).

You can replace the guys you moved out through UFA or promotion within.

To me this not only helps fill the hole in the top 6, but gives you a chance to rebuild the bottom 6/depth D by bringing in new players for the guys you move for picks.

You also have the cap space to be heavily involved if an elite UFA hits the market like Rantanen, so I like the options this type of retool gives you to build this roster.

I agree on your take, but Id move Marchand if the Bruins are out of it on March 6th. He's gone, Ill ask him where he prefers to go and ill see if it'll work, but no promises he's going for the best return. He is imo the Bruins best chip on a re-tool.

 

[Dr Hook]

Is there really anyone out-there who can be had, who can fill that roll ? Sweeney usually keeps things all quiet and then bang he gets someone no one was expecting, so who knows maybe there is.

I mean even with Miller there's been nothing out there having the Bruins as the likely destination.
I would like to see a center added, not only for this year, but for down the road, but sure an elite winger would be nice as well, but I don't think we'll see anything until the 4nations break.

So what were seeing here is imo, is what their going to live or die with till then, I see these next 9 games as being a deciding factor for Sweeney on if he's a seller or a Buyer.

Yeah, I have no idea- that's why they pay Don the big bucks. I am just saying that in my view a true #1 Center, although ideal, is not necessarily the way they have to go to remake the top 6 into something more of a threat than it is. We should not be limited to discussing just JT Miller here (or any other Center that might be had).

 

[NDiesel]

I agree on your take, but Id move Marchand if the Bruins are out of it on March 6th. He's gone, Ill ask him where he prefers to go and ill see if it'll work, but no promises he's going for the best return. He is imo the Bruins best chip on a re-tool.

It's a tough choice. There is a lot of value in Marchy staying and mentoring the younger guys on how to win, be a pro, train, overcome adversity, and trying to help build a good culture for the next set of core guys. That's why I leave it up to him, trade him if he wants acup, keep him if he wants to retire a Bruin.

Additionally, other guys around the league notice things like showing loyalty to your star players who might be past their prime. It's another way to attract top UFAs or have a player waive their NMC for us.

 

[Number8]

20 mil can win you a national championship

I would think the Jacobs would much prefer to have an extra 20 mil at the end of the season , than go without it. The rich get richer for a reason. The one thing on top of that, if they get in, I think they could beat the Caps and get more than the 2 home games of gate revenue, but problem being for Neely and Sweeney even if they make a deal, their not a lock, unless somehow they can get a true number one Center.

It certainly could.

But think of it like you have a $20M VRBO property in the Bahamas. You rent the shit out of it and generate huge income that far surpasses taxes and expenses. At the same time, you a already wealth beyond belief.

It's been 20 years and the pool has some cracks in it (and you can't buy a used pool from a defunct NHL team) the windows are showing signs of 20 years of salt exposure. In short, the place needs a shutdown for a season and some renovations.

You can keep putting it off and banking the money. But at SOME point those 5 star reviews start being 3 star "beautiful view but place is tired" reviews. At that point you'll wish you didn't milk the thing too hard for too long.

Not saying it's coming immediately but Poitras, Lohrei, and Lysell. That's it. And none of those three are projected to be top players in the league -- or the major points in a new core.

 

[wintersej]

I agree.

But these figures always surprise me -- given that the owners don't have incentive to inflate (Cap implications). For example, our recent game against Florida looked to me like the were a lot of empty seats in that arena. Yet they report a 98.08% average attendance.

Maybe that's done on sales, and scalpers couldn't move tickets for Bruins?

I've never had a tougher time moving my tickets when I can't use them.

 

[Hookslide]

They probably want lohrei and poitras with that. No way.

Don't want or can take on those contracts.

 

[DominicT]

FYI

35% of playoff revenue goes to the NHL, not the teams.

And don't forget the player's share.

 

[wintersej]

McAvoy for Dobson+Barzal is interesting! We'd have to add but I like the base

Dobson and Lorhei on the same D corp would certainly make Swayman's life fun.

 

[yazmybaby]

McAvoy for Dobson+Barzal is interesting! We'd have to add but I like the base

We would have to add Potsy and another piece I would think to make this work for the Islanders.

 

[TCB]

It's a tough choice. There is a lot of value in Marchy staying and mentoring the younger guys on how to win, be a pro, train, overcome adversity, and trying to help build a good culture for the next set of core guys. That's why I leave it up to him, trade him if he wants acup, keep him if he wants to retire a Bruin.

Additionally, other guys around the league notice things like showing loyalty to your star players who might be past their prime. It's another way to attract top UFAs or have a player waive their NMC for us.

Im really not buying the around the league stuff. Players also know the Bruins have to do what’s best for their club moving forward and that the Bruins are a first class organization. I mean if they offer Marner 12 mil to come to Boston next year, he’s not going to say nay they traded 37 year old Marchy when they were missing the playoffs and he was on an expiring contract.

 

[Number8]

I've never had a tougher time moving my tickets when I can't use them.

Interesting. I'd be paying close attention if I were the Bruins ownership and management.

 

[NDiesel]

Im really not buying the around the league stuff. Players also know the Bruins have to do what’s best for their club moving forward and that the Bruins are a first class organization. I mean if they offer Marner 12 mil to come to Boston next year, he’s not going to say nay they traded 37 year old Marchy when they were missing the playoffs and he was on an expiring contract.

Right, I dont think it will happen exactly like that, but it may come down to say Vegas and Boston for example. As a player getting max years and similar money offers from multiple teams, like Marner likely would, there isn't much to differentiate the term/money so you start to look at other factors like roster, location, culture, etc.

The fact that Vegas has shown they will trade you if they don't have the use anymore vs Bruins who have shown loyalty to their star players it may be something that helps the decision. I believe that is something that can sway a decision.

It's a big reason why it's generally a terrible idea to trade a UFA you signed long term within a year or two of getting them. It gives players pause when signing with a team who makes moves like that

 

[The don godfather]

We would have to add Potsy and another piece I would think to make this work for the Islanders.

No to poitras hes gonna be something special keep.

 

[TCB]

Right, I dont think it will happen exactly like that, but it may come down to say Vegas and Boston for example. As a player getting max years and similar money offers from multiple teams, like Marner likely would, there isn't much to differentiate the term/money so you start to look at other factors like roster, location, culture, etc.

The fact that Vegas has shown they will trade you if they don't have the use anymore vs Bruins who have shown loyalty to their star players it may be something that helps the decision. I believe that is something that can sway a decision.

It's a big reason why it's generally a terrible idea to trade a UFA you signed long term within a year or two of getting them. It gives players pause when signing with a team who makes moves like that

Agreed but thats totally different than trading a player on an expiring contract when your out of the playoffs.

 

[Roll 4 Lines]

McAvoy for Dobson+Barzal is interesting! We'd have to add but I like the base

Throw in Joe Zanussi!