Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIII

[Hookslide]

Trade proposals is not my area of expertise. From looking at their roster I’d assume they need help on D at the right side. Carlo would fit like a glove there. Overpayment? Cap hits swap out.

Could Sweeney also get them to include Barrett Hayton in a deal? 24 year old left shot center, signed at 2.65m for one more season beyond this & will be an RFA. 54% at the dot this season. 12G 14A 26P in 48 games. Scored 19 goals 2 seasons ago. Could be a diamond in the rough. I’ve watched him play a few times, not overly physical but really smart player.

Coyle (5.75m) + Carlo (4.1m) to Utah

Crouse (4.3m) + Hayton (2.65m) to Boston

This gives Utah some veteran leadership who’ve made some deep playoff runs. Bruins get younger & save some cap dollars.

Bruins would have to add to get younger like that, what is the incentive for Utah to get older.

 

[SPV]

I have always liked Crouse, exactly what the Bruins could use. My question is what do give up?

I’m not good at this, but Mac for Marino and Crouse, add as needed. Only need Mac to agree, the other guys can be moved. Crouse is having an off season, so maybe could get a big add.

 

[dugg133]

I don think its radical to say 39-18-88 is a legit RS first line. Arguably say 15-17 but worst case #20. Boston's issue is in the 2nd line. Coyle has regressed way to much to be relied upon as a top 6 guy and #63 is too old to be beyond spurts. Lindholm
has massively underperformed. So they need minimum two legit top 6 forwards.
Going to have to deal Marchand, Frederic, McAvoy and a #1 to get that. If not two top 6F then one top 6F and two #1.

I have doubts that the top line will continue being effective once the playoffs start. Like we kinda went through this same song and dance with the Heinen-Zacha-Pasta line last season. They played the last 20 games together and were actually better then the current top line has been from both an underlying metric perspective, and in terms of actual goals score. (around 4 G/60 for the current top line vs around 5.5 G/60 for 43-18-88).

But then we got to the playoffs and it ended up working so poorly that they had to break it up. Pasta is a top 5 offensive engine in the league at this point, no one has done more with less then he has over these past 2 years. But you need someone else on his line that can actually generate some offense if you want them to have a chance at winning top line matchups in the playoffs.

 

[the negotiator]

Bruins would have to add to get younger like that, what is the incentive for Utah to get older.

Agree : either Poitras or Lohrei would have to be part of the equation...and even then not sure Utah would bite

If moving Coyle or Carlo I think the more likely landing place is a contender looking to bolster a specific need

 

[PlayMakers]

What does a Dylan Cozens deal look like?

Detroit was close. So we would have to think they would trade with bruins.

Poitras,lysell, and carlo for cozens.

Cozens is a depreciated asset with high risk. He has the same amount of points at Lindholm (24), has seen his point totals drop 2 seasons in a row and is paid over $7m a year for 6 more years.

I like him, he's one of my deadline targets, but he's on my list because I think he's a buy-low candidate with high potential.

If JT Miller is off the table, I'd offer Carlo and Korpisalo for Cozens and Reimer.

 

[JAD]

Lindholm, like Coyle would be fine if slotted correctly.

This teams lack of a true, legit #1 center has hamstrung them since Bergeron retired.

This is why I’m all for JT Miller coming here.

I'm not completely sold on Miller, fair or unfair there is a reputation there, and there is something to be said for team chemistry and culture. Plus, I'm not sure I would want to give up the assets required to acquire Miller. I'm not sure Miller is the answer for this team at this time.

That said, while everyone knows the team needs a legitimate #1 cente, my thoughts are for the remainder of the year they should target a veteran offensive play making center with 2 or 3 years left on the contract. Someone they could acquire without breaking the asset bank. I wanted them to get such a center last summer (on top of Lindholm), but they signed Zadorov, and Swayman ate up the remainder of their cap space. But they may still be able to acquire such a player at the trade deadline.

Adding a true play-making creative center into the top six would change the dynamics and allow other players to slot into their proper places in the lineup, even if that center isn't a #1. Having such a center short term allows Poitras (and other prospects) further time to develop. Plus, it gives management time to properly do their due diligence in acquiring a true #1 in the off-season, or whenever, with out the urgency pressure to try and save the season and disrupt the team while over spending what assets they do have.

 

[Blowfish]

I'm not completely sold on Miller, fair or unfair there is a reputation there, and there is something to be said for team chemistry and culture. Plus, I'm not sure I would want to give up the assets required to acquire Miller. I'm not sure Miller is the answer for this team at this time.

That said, while everyone knows the team needs a legitimate #1 cente, my thoughts are for the remainder of the year they should target a veteran offensive play making center with 2 or 3 years left on the contract. Someone they could acquire without breaking the asset bank. I wanted them to get such a center last summer (on top of Lindholm), but they signed Zadorov, and Swayman ate up the remainder of their cap space. But they may still be able to acquire such a player at the trade deadline.

Adding a true play-making creative center into the top six would change the dynamics and allow other players to slot into their proper places in the lineup, even if that center isn't a #1. Having such a center short term allows Poitras (and other prospects) further time to develop. Plus, it gives management time to properly do their due diligence in acquiring a true #1 in the off-season, or whenever, with out the urgency pressure to try and save the season and disrupt the team while over spending what assets they do have.

Miller is certainly not helping the Nuks this year. In fact none of the nuk centers are helping. Why would bruins risk another Lindholm fiasco?

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Mcavoy and Lysell for Kreider and Schneider. Anyone?

Anyone that smokes crack

 

[goldenblack]

Kind of funny that we're 39% to make the playoffs. And also 6 pts out of the division lead. Funny year.

I honestly didn't expect the Metro to be so much tougher (at the top) than the Atlantic. It's kiiiiind of crazy that we have 5 games left till the break, with 3 at home. 3 against non-playoff teams. Wild are slumping. Jets game is the spicy one.

If they go 3-1-1 in those 5 and get all the troops back after the break...

 

[BruinDust]

Agreed, and to piggy back off of this post, this is why a retool is very possible and can work while the Bruins stay competitive. The Bruins need to build the middle 6 around Lindholm and Poitras at center. Marchand and Poitras don't fit too well together because they both like playing with the puck on their stick. Lindholm isn't getting moved so it would be best to keep him with Marchand and put Lysell/Merkulov at right wing.

Jones and Wahlstrom can be waived. Lettieri can be the extra forward. Maybe Sweeney can pull off a Haula/Zacha deal that involves Coyle being swapped for a winger. Then there's Frederic and Brazeau. They can either be packaged for a forward or traded for picks to be used to obtain another forward. Geekie has also played well with Poitras so if the Bruins go and get a legit top 6F Geekie can also be moved to Poitras' line.

Exactly, this is fixable for next season if they make the right moves.

Lindholm is here and frankly he's not going anywhere. Between his own NMC and his albatross contract, the Bruins are stuck with him. And I don't think current management has any desire to move him either. For whatever reason, they are infatuated with this player.

Let's just assume Marchand is back next year. To me, to get the most out of both of their skill-sets you need a RW who can both produce and play solid defensively and this becomes your No.1 defensive line. They get the toughest defensive assignments. I'd also like that player to bring an element of shooting and speed to that line. I have no idea who that is but I don't think that player is currently in the organization. Would a JT Miller fit here? Regardless of what I think of Miller as a teammate, all we really know for sure is how he fits on the ice. He doesn't do much to improve overall team speed but the guy can shoot for days, elite level shot and finish. Solid two-way player, that line can go up against any line in hockey defensively.

What if the line was Marchand - Lindholm/Miller - Miller/Lindholm. Lindholm can and has played RW. Miler has played all 3 forward positions. This team already loves having the guy taking the face-off always on his strong side. That line would be a menace on face-offs.

Then if Poitras is to remain at C, he's the fixture of line 3. Now you need to find two wingers for him, one of them absolutely needs to be able fly and make plays. Let's say that becomes Lysell who to me fits the bill now you need the correct LW for those two. If that isn't Trent Frederic (and I don't think it is because I'd like someone who produces and performs more consistently ), they would have to go outside the organization here as well which would be my preference. But we know Frederic is another player this organization loves so let's just assume he's extended for now. I do like how Frederic could protect the two young forwards.

Geekie - Zacha - Pasta - scoring line 1

Marchand - Lindholm/Miller - Miller/Lindholm - shutdown line 1

Frederic - Poitras - Lysell - the most sheltered line defensively

Beecher - Kastelic - Koepke - forechecking line


Jones, Wahlstrom, and Letteri don't have any trade value. Would they be able to parley Coyle +++ into Miller without subtracting from the group of forwards above? What would have to be added to do so? Do they need to cough up a 1st round pick? Should they? Would they have to subtract from the D-corps?

 

[Drift]

Something to think about is if we move Coyle (which I support) is who steps in for the D zone starts and PK minutes. He is one of our top 4 penalty killers (I think highest average time). Looking at recent games its Lindholm, Coyle, Marchand, Zacha, and some Beecher. So Beecher? Its not going to be Poitras. So you will need to fill those minutes. Moving someone like Frederic would be easier to replace. He does nothing much besides 5 on 5 and we can have other guys step up the "toughness"

For Carlo, same question. Might be more candidates there with our D core if they are healthy though.

 

[TCB]

Cozens is a depreciated asset with high risk. He has the same amount of points at Lindholm (24), has seen his point totals drop 2 seasons in a row and is paid over $7m a year for 6 more years.

I like him, he's one of my deadline targets, but he's on my list because I think he's a buy-low candidate with high potential.

If JT Miller is off the table, I'd offer Carlo and Korpisalo for Cozens and Reimer.

A Depreciated asset with high risk ? That’s a good pitch if your trying to trade for him but I think even Adam’s hangs up on you.

Cozens is a workhouse a Mike Richard’s type player, brings a value just more than points, and he’s only 24(Feb). I’d gladly pay 7 mil a year for the next 6 years for what he brings to a team, buy low or not.

 

[Tbaybruin]

With the cap going up would anyone eat 1.75 mil of Lindholm contract to move him? Would a 6 mil Lindholm be of interest? For me a TJ Miller Marchand Coyle line would be fantastic. Miller would help the PP in a huge way. The way

Liability is a massive stretch. He just isn’t producing points. He wins faceoffs and plays smart defensively.

Almost no offence from him #1 pp C over 18 min a night. 7.75 mil cap hit. At 4 mil I would be ok.

 

[Hookslide]

I’m not good at this, but Mac for Marino and Crouse, add as needed. Only need Mac to agree, the other guys can be moved. Crouse is having an off season, so maybe could get a big add.

bruins should not go back to the "Smurf" defender back there and I would not give up McAvoy for that package anyways.

 

[Tbaybruin]

No we need McAvoy healed up

I think he got his shoulder pulled out on a dirty ass come late from behind and to side against - surprise Florida as he was heading to bench

He grabbed shoulder bent over in pain and immediately bombed down runway

It was so late and puck away it wasn’t shown on tv

I believe @Ladyfan saw it as well as she sits there

It was very early in season but lined up with his lack of physicality and seeming to protect shoulder

I’m with you on Zadarov - he’s a bit trick or treat but way more treats

Excellent signing

Totally agree on Mac. I miss those hits. Zadorov is what he is. Great signing. I watched the Oilers series. He had that Oilers team on the run, he was unreal.

 

[PlayMakers]

Cozens is a workhouse a Mike Richard’s type player, brings a value just more than points, and he’s only 24(Feb). I’d gladly pay 7 mil a year for the next 6 years for what he brings to a team, buy low or not.

I like his play style too, but he's got to score to be worth $7m. You wouldn't sign Frederic for $7m would you? Heck, folks don't want to sign Geekie for $4m and he's outscoring Cozens.

I like the player, I would take on the risk of his contract, but I'd want to pay a price that acknowledges and reflects the risk.

 

[bbfan419]

I'm not trading our 1st regardless. We have no 2nd this year either keep that on mind too

Agree, Neely should be telling Sweeney that any deals he makes cannot include any top picks, prospects maybe, but not top picks.

 

[TCB]

Agree : either Poitras or Lohrei would have to be part of the equation...and even then not sure Utah would bite

If moving Coyle or Carlo I think the more likely landing place is a contender looking to bolster a specific need

Friedman reporting the Sabres are in Pettersson and the the Canucks want Cozens and Byram in a package for Pettersson, though the Canucks are also interested in Power.

If thats the Case, Id move Poitras and Lohrei yesterday in a package for Pettersson

 

[TCB]

I like his play style too, but he's got to score to be worth $7m. You wouldn't sign Frederic for $7m would you? Heck, folks don't want to sign Geekie for $4m and he's outscoring Cozens.

I like the player, I would take on the risk of his contract, but I'd want to pay a price that acknowledges and reflects the risk.

Frederic skill set imo isn't close to what Cozins is, nor his compete level, so to answer your question, no I wouldn't sign Frederic to a comparable deal as Cozins.

Change Cozins and Geekie roll and their point and goal totals wouldn't even be close and I like Geekie and want him as a Bruin moving forward.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Bruins would have to add to get younger like that, what is the incentive for Utah to get older.

This was posted earlier in the thread. Quote from Utah GM Bill Armstrong:

“We're moving into that era where we've got good young players coming,” Armstrong said. “We've still got some picks to go, but some trades will have to be made on our side to further up the club and take that next step."

Armstrong noted you don’t totally build a Stanley Cup champion through the draft. Sure, you can find your core pieces and skilled youth through the draft, but trades are a huge part of building a winning team.

“50% of a Stanley Cup team is traded for, so you've got to go out there and make adjustments and really add into what your club needs.”

Reading between the lines I’d suggest that says their roster has a strong young core and Armstrong wants to get this young team into the playoffs and he’s open to some trades. It’s open to interpretation, but look at that roster, it screams out for veteran leaders with playoff experience. I don’t think he’s suggesting they’re open to picks and prospects.

 

[PlayMakers]

With the cap going up would anyone eat 1.75 mil of Lindholm contract to move him? Would a 6 mil Lindholm be of interest? For me a TJ Miller Marchand Coyle line would be fantastic. Miller would help the PP in a huge way. The way

Almost no offence from him #1 pp C over 18 min a night. 7.75 mil cap hit. At 4 mil I would be ok.

I just don't see Lindholm moving as a real possibility. He just signed and has a NMC. I know guys waive but I have a hard time seeing the Bruins ask this soon and I have a hard time seeing Elias want to move his family again after just moving here. Plus, the Bruins would be selling low.

If it were me, I'd give him one more season before I go nuclear. If he really is nursing some injury I shut him down and tell him to take the time he needs to heal so he can come to camp ready to earn his paycheck. If he's still this same player at this time next year all bets are off. I tell him to give me a list of teams or expect to be bought out. Maybe under the new CBA, buyouts won't count against the cap.

 

[Hookslide]

I just don't see Lindholm moving as a real possibility. He just signed and has a NMC. I know guys waive but I have a hard time seeing the Bruins ask this soon and I have a hard time seeing Elias want to move his family again after just moving here. Plus, the Bruins would be selling low.

If it were me, I'd give him one more season before I go nuclear. If he really is nursing some injury I shut him down and tell him to take the time he needs to heal so he can come to camp ready to earn his paycheck. If he's still this same player at this time next year all bets are off. I tell him to give me a list of teams or expect to be bought out. Maybe under the new CBA, buyouts won't count against the cap.

I think you are right cannot see him waiving his NMC, but must say anything to move that contract, is not selling low.

 

[PlayMakers]

Frederic skill set imo isn't close to what Cozins is, nor his compete level, so to answer your question, no I wouldn't sign Frederic to a comparable deal as Cozins.

Change Cozins and Geekie roll and their point and goal totals wouldn't even be close and I like Geekie and want him as a Bruin moving forward.

Don't know that I agree with all that, but my point still stands. He has to score to be worth $7m.

There isn't a 40 point forward in the NHL worth $7m a year.

 

[KastelicKrew47]

Would Mcavoy waive to go to Anaheim or Columbus. Both teams have lots of young centers.

Anaheim- Carlsson, zegras, McTavish.

Columbus- fantelli, sillinger, Johnson, and cal Lindstrom.

Start a package around 1 of the centers and a young defenseman.

 

[GlenFeatherstone]

McAvoy is not waiving. Wasting your time putting him in trades.