Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XII

[Dennis Bonvie]

The Bruins board hasn't stopped talking about it for 10 years. Drawing a lesson that you can just use Bob McKenzie's list (or any other) shows the thought process. I can post every other draft and you'll see things like we should have taken Jake Bean instead of McAvoy, like this list showed.

But Jake Bean wasn't available when the Bruins picked.

Maybe they would have taken Jake Bean if Carolina didn't take him. Maybe Carolina was just "using the list".

 

[PlayMakers]

But Jake Bean wasn't available when the Bruins picked.

Maybe they would have taken Jake Bean if Carolina didn't take him. Maybe Carolina was just "using the list".

There were some really respected analysts who wanted the Bruins to take Dante Fabbro instead of McAvoy.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Don't worry about what Columbus or the Canadians, best to worry about the Bruins, after the shameful game they put in yesterday. The Ottawa game, was a disgrace, but for that team to come out and play the way they did yesterday against San Jose, should be considered a total break down of what is wrong with this organization. They have always had a reputation after that Ottawa, breakdown of coming out the next game with urgency, and some fire in their game, that was not there yesterday. The ownership is responsible for this breakdown as much as anyone, when they allow their GM to be AWOL, in these times for some money grabbing tournament, but then again Jacobs will get their cut, screw the Bruins fans. Neely and Sweeney should come out and answer the questions many should and want to ask, at least Neely did make an appearance last week. The next blame could easy go on Sacco, not going there yet, but as far as questioning the coaching, maybe look at the staff after Sacco, and start with boy wonder Leach. Players should be held accountable for this mess also, and start with this so-called leadership, when team plays like they did yesterday, after the Ottawa showing, really opens themselves up for criticism. I might add except for Pasta, everyone should be on the block, some more than others, and fans get off this bring the kids up, for two reasons, I personally think they are not as good as the fans perceive them to be, but if I am wrong to you want to bring them into shitty atmosphere.

Bruins didn't come out with urgency yesterday. Ownership's fault.

That's a good one.

 

[BruinsJoe]

How an intelligent scout / team whiffs picking Zboril over Chabot when they are playing for the same team is inexcusable.

at that time Zboril was better ranked than Chabot

 

[PlayMakers]

I really wish the Bruins would give the following line up a whirl before they decide if they're buyers or sellers:

Geekie-Zacha-Pasta
Marchy-Poitras-Coyle
Freddy-Lindholm-Lysell
Beecher-Kastelic-Brazeau

Lindy-McAvoy
Lohrei-Carlo
Zaddy-Peeke

I like it and posted something similar. (I had Coyle at 2c and I prefer Koepke to Beecher) but same idea with the forwards, particularly with Lysell and Lindholm.

The D are harder to figure out. Lindholm-McAvoy is a strong top pair, but Lohrei-Carlo has been our worst pair, by far, and Zadorov-Carlo isn't very good either. I think you have to put Lindholm with Carlo, which means Zadorov-McAvoy and Lohrei-Peeke. On balance, those pairs are our best in terms of xG%. Z-Mac is only .8 lower than Lindholm-Mac and the other two pairs are 20% better than the alternatives.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

But Jake Bean wasn't available when the Bruins picked.

Maybe they would have taken Jake Bean if Carolina didn't take him. Maybe Carolina was just "using the list".

Now you're getting it...

 

[TCB]

Taking that draft and the one really bad pick that they made (the other two weren't as good as they could be obviously) and turning that into some mythical draft list that is always right is what has always killed me. McKenzie had Quinn Hughes ranked 8th. Pronman absolutely hated Cale Makar (relatively). Etc etc. And yes, Swayman goes in the 4th and Aho/Hintz/Robertson drop etc etc.

But to continue to hear about it over and over is just tiresome. It's been over a decade.

It'll never go away its part of one of the biggest draft day debacles in History. May not be number one but its top 5 worthy, because it was franchise altering 3 consecutive picks in the first round in one of the deepest drafts ever, again maybe not the deepest, but top 5 easily. At this point in time the ones who try to defend it are worse than the ones who keep bringing it up, just face the facts that it was a royal F_U and move on.

 

[kdog82]

But Jake Bean wasn't available when the Bruins picked.

Maybe they would have taken Jake Bean if Carolina didn't take him. Maybe Carolina was just "using the list".

You're right. I did mention there are 1st round busts but at least the player picked is the consensus pick at that time. He busts, it happens. You don't take Senyshyn or guys projected to be mid 2nd rounders in the middle of the first in what was one of the deepest drafts of all time.

Zboril is an example of a bust that everybody had going roughly where he went in the draft. Not mad about that pick.... Senyshyn! good lord. Even Debrusk was a reach. Connor/Barzal/Konecny far better players than Debrusk.

Kyle Connor has turned out to be a superstar. Three chances to draft at least him per the list.

 

[Hookslide]

Bruins didn't come out with urgency yesterday. Ownership's fault.

That's a good one.

maybe because they are not holding their management team accountable, but I guess I, am wrong to say s anything as long as the cash register is still ringing. i guess when you GM is MIA , it is ok I am sorry to post anything that was hard for you to comprehend, I guess, you want to put it all on the players.

 

[Roll 4 Lines]

I still say they should have taken Bellows over Kluzak.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

It'll never go away its part of one of the biggest draft day debacles in History. May not be number one but its top 5 worthy, because it was franchise altering 3 consecutive picks in the first round in one of the deepest drafts ever, again maybe not the deepest, but top 5 easily. At this point in time the ones who try to defend it are worse than the ones who keep bringing it up, just face the facts that it was a royal F_U and move on.

It really isn't.

 

[TCB]

I still say they should have taken Bellows over Kluzak.

Ill scott stevens you

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I still say they should have taken Bellows over Kluzak.

Harry loved his defensemen.

Too bad so many had bad knees.

 

[Alicat]

There were some really respected analysts who wanted the Bruins to take Dante Fabbro instead of McAvoy.

I'll take CMac over Fabbro and others any day.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

maybe because they are not holding their management team accountable, but I guess I, am wrong to say s anything as long as the cash register is still ringing. i guess when you GM is MIA , it is ok I am sorry to post anything that was hard for you to comprehend, I guess, you want to put it all on the players.

It really doesn't help your argument when you just make shit up like this.

 

[Hookslide]

I still say they should have taken Bellows over Kluzak.

Hey if they are stupidly going to rehash a draft from 10 years ago, we might as well go back 40 years........Kluzak's knee, does make that a tough draft to honestly measure.

 

[Number8]

Taking that draft and the one really bad pick that they made (the other two weren't as good as they could be obviously) and turning that into some mythical draft list that is always right is what has always killed me. McKenzie had Quinn Hughes ranked 8th. Pronman absolutely hated Cale Makar (relatively). Etc etc. And yes, Swayman goes in the 4th and Aho/Hintz/Robertson drop etc etc.

But to continue to hear about it over and over is just tiresome. It's been over a decade.

Agreed, but I didn't bring it up.

That said, our prospect pool is so shallow, it's silly to pretend it's not an issue -- a much bigger one now than it was at the time.

I'm coming up on 18 at the Masters tied for the lead. I have a clear 50 yard chip shot. Hit a decent simple wedge, tap in the putt for a Birdie, and it's green jacket time.

Instead, I chunk it a bit and leave it on the fringe. I two putt for par - go to a playoff, and lose.

1) I didn't put it in the water and choke. I just badly missed a golden opportunity.
2) I fully expect to think about it, hear about it, and on occasion lament it 10 years after.
3) Anyone who tells me otherwise is dreaming.

Sorry.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I still say they should have taken Bellows over Kluzak.

Never mind Scott Stevens. Harry drafted Gordie because he would not cost too much a defensive defenseman. Given his injury history and lack of dynamism no one will ever convince me otherwise.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Ill scott stevens you

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That was a great draft year for the Hartford Whalers.

They got Kevin Dineen in the 3rd round, Ulf Samuelsson in the 4th round and Ray Ferraro in the 5th round. All had long (over 1000 games), successful careers.

But we would be pissed because they took Paul Lawless instead of Dave Andreychuk in the first round.

 

[Number8]

Panthers have been to the finals two seasons in a row. That can take a toll on a team, especially one that plays their type of game.

But I wouldn't write them off, either.

Absolutely. Panthers know better than anyone that you don't have to be the President's Trophy winner to take it all.

However, there's a huge difference between the Panther's just getting in this year (they'll get in handily in my book) and, say, the Bruins.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Never mind Scott Stevens. Harry drafted Gordie because he would not cost too much a defensive defenseman. Given his injury history and lack of dynamism no one will ever convince me otherwise.

Sure, first pick in the draft and the though was we won't have to pay him much.

Brilliant.

 

[quietbruinfan]

at that time Zboril was better ranked than Chabot

They took the advice of ex-Bruin Paul Boutillier....and others. They should not have. At least they got Mac over Fabbro right, but that is small consolation for the all time butcher job that was 2015.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Absolutely. Panthers know better than anyone that you don't have to be the President's Trophy winner to take it all.

However, there's a huge difference between the Panther's just getting in this year (they'll get in handily in my book) and, say, the Bruins.

Don't think anyone would argue that.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

AFP Analytics just released their projections for upcoming contract extensions. Based on a $92.5M cap limit, here's what they project for Bruins players:

• Brad Marchand - 3yrs 7.6M AAV
• Trent Frederic - 4yrs 4.0M
• Morgan Geekie - 4yrs 3.5M
• Mason Lohrei - 2yrs 3.1M
• John Beecher - 2yrs 1.8M
• Justin Brazeau - 2yrs 1.5M
• Cole Koepke - 1yr 1.2M
• Parker Wotherspoon - 1yr 995k
• Marc McLaughlin - 1yr 775k

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You're right. I did mention there are 1st round busts but at least the player picked is the consensus pick at that time. He busts, it happens. You don't take Senyshyn or guys projected to be mid 2nd rounders in the middle of the first in what was one of the deepest drafts of all time.

Zboril is an example of a bust that everybody had going roughly where he went in the draft. Not mad about that pick.... Senyshyn! good lord. Even Debrusk was a reach. Connor/Barzal/Konecny far better players than Debrusk.

Kyle Connor has turned out to be a superstar. Three chances to draft at least him per the list.

No one knew that for a fact at the time.

What if the Bruins had taken Sebastian Aho instead of Shsynshkyndg. The reaction here would have been exactly the same. It just wouldn't have lasted for 10 years.