Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XII

[Ratty]

Seravali talked about Miller to Boston on his show and about how Boston is one of the most attractive cities to live and play in, and how there aren't many better situations in the NHL than to be the center for David Pastrnak.

I wonder whether Servelli is aware that the MA voters elected to impose a higher tax on persons making more the one million. Seems to be a deterrent especially to a player employing an agent and requiring him to waive.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

So, to recap what we (think we) know regarding the J.T. Miller situation...

• Lots of chatter about a rift between Miller and Elias Pettersson.
• Patrick Allvin (Canucks GM) has explored the trade market for both players.
• Pettersson has reportedly made it known that he wants to remain in Vancouver.
• Miller has a full NMC. He is signed for 5 more years with an AAV of $8.0M.
• Elliotte Friedman reported that the Canucks are prioritizing a Center return in any trade, but are also looking for a defenseman.
• Friedman reported that a deal with the Rangers for J.T. Miller was close to being finalized Saturday, but ultimately fell through. Miller did not invoke his NMC.
• Some teams already have permission to speak with Miller.
• As of this past Thursday, Tom Fitzgerald (NJD GM) has denied speaking to Allvin.

Am I missing any important details?

 

[Coach Parker]

One can hope

Canucks ask for Poitras and Lohrei- Bs counter with Coyle and Carlo

And it's usually somewhere in the middle. Coyle and Lohrei

 

[Gordoff]

And it's usually somewhere in the middle. Coyle and Lohrei

I'm not "for" trading for Miller but especially NOT for Lohrei. His best days as an NHLer are ahead of him and I think we'd be ruing the day for a long, long time.
Miller would give the Bruins a lift for the rest of the year, and next but after that it's a crapshoot that I don't
see as worth it in the long run, even if there's retention and it ends up being much less of a return.
Of course, if he did come here, and the B's want to get rid of him in a year or two he may have value to other teams in future TDL's but it's just kicking the issue down the road unless he invokes his NMC then. He just seems like too much of an overall headache.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Nucks counter with: Poitras, Carlo or Coyle, Lohrei……what do we do?

(1000%, I have no idea what I’d do)

Hang up the phone and block the number

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Of course, if he did come here, and the B's want to get rid of him in a year or two he may have value to other teams in future TDL's but it's just kicking the issue down the road unless he invokes his NMC then. He just seems like too much of an overall headache.

Not disagreeing, just want to point out that Miller has a 15 team no trade after the 2026-27 season. So it may be easier to trade him in the last three years of his contract.

 

[PlayMakers]

Nice city, tick, excellent RW, tick. Sure. On the other side, team that is not a contender right now, has some of the worst underlying numbers in the league, seriously lacks offensive depth, has no coach worthy of the title, may already have some locker room issues, more likely than not to be on a downward slide that will take some time to bottom out let alone turn around, high tax state.

Now some of that might be easily fixable, some of it simply may not bother Miller. He may either believe the Bruins can right the ship quickly, or he simply may not care because he can live in a nice suburb in a nice house. But the point is I believe there are more arguments against Boston for a player in his situation than for. Could be wrong, but that's how I see it.

He's willing to waive for NY. They're not a contender right now, they have some of the worst underlying numbers in the league, they may have locker room issues, they have coaching issues...

And your opinion of the Bruins future is just that, your opinion. There are some here who would argue the exact opposite. Miller might look at this as a team that's always good, with a good management team that always tries to win, that's made the playoffs 8 years in a row, that has a good core of stars in their 20's, a team where he could be a difference maker and play with one of the best wingers in the game, a team with a great fan base but not so rabid that he can't go to the mall to buy Christmas presents or walk his dog downtown.

 

[DKH]

I would re-sign Geekie and Frederic for 4-4.75M

Agree

Bruins get in bottom 8 it’s a lock they get Hagens; Betman will take care of his buddy and Chicago and SJ will understand it’s good for the league

There’s our center we need

 

[DKH]

We should poll the fanbase: Who feels good about the cap going up with Harvard Sweeney still at the helm?

Allan Walsh projects the cap to be at 105+ million three years from now. That's 27 million higher than it is currently.

Do we trust Donny Deals shopping for more UFAs?

Whatever Michael Felger says is what the majority of the fans will vote

Anyone thinking otherwise is delusional

 

[PlayMakers]

I wonder whether Servelli is aware that the MA voters elected to impose a higher tax on persons making more the one million. Seems to be a deterrent especially to a player employing an agent and requiring him to waive.

Even with that hike, I believe he'd take home $1m more playing here instead of NYC.

 

[Babajingo]

Outside looking in. Lets hope Mr Burns has had enough with the dynamic duo.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think the tax in MA, even with that hike is 9%. The tax in New York City is 13.5-15%.

Either way, it's a massive tax cut from what he's paying in Vancouver.

On an $8,000,000 income, you’re paying 53.5% in provincial and federal tax in BC. New York is just over 46%.

 

[PlayMakers]

On an $8,000,000 income, you’re paying 53.5% in provincial and federal tax in BC. New York is just over 46%.

I see my error.

So in Boston it would be around 41%, correct?

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Last post regarding J.T. Miller from me, unless there are new developments...

I understand the many concerns surrounding the idea of acquiring Miller. I share some of them. But, to anyone who thinks that he wouldn't be an upgrade on this year's Bruins' team:


Using combined stats from the last 2 seasons, as far as the top-6 forwards, Miller would rank on the Bruins:

• Primary Assists = 1st
• Powerplay Points = 1st
• Powerplay Primary Assists = 1st (and it's not even close)
• Shooting% = 1st
• Faceoff Win% = 1st
• Hits For = 1st
• Goals = 2nd
• Points = 2nd

 

[Tbaybruin]

Carlo and either Coyle or Lindholm plus a prospect. Shows team we want to win and we don’t get older but we get much better. I’m sure Lindholm is a pipe dream but the hope is Vancouver could live with the 2 Swedish centres on their team

Last post regarding J.T. Miller from me, unless there are new developments...

I understand the many concerns surrounding the idea of acquiring Miller. I share some of them. But, to anyone who thinks that he wouldn't be an upgrade on this year's Bruins' team:


Using combined stats from the last 2 seasons, as far as the top-6 forwards, Miller would rank on the Bruins:

• Primary Assists = 1st
• Powerplay Points = 1st
• Powerplay Primary Assists = 1st (and it's not even close)
• Shooting% = 1st
• Faceoff Win% = 1st
• Hits For = 1st
• Goals = 2nd
• Points = 2nd

Facts. Great post

 

[PlayMakers]

On another note, I get the sense @DominicT is hinting that a Frederic deal is done and will be announced soon.

I wonder, if this is a deal to hang onto him, or a deal to make him more attractive in trade?

 

[Coach Parker]

Buddies are at the Canucks Dice & Ice Charity event tonight at Parq Casino...

...Miller not there. The guy is gone.

 

[Tbaybruin]

Buddies are at the Canucks Dice & Ice Charity event tonight at Parq Casino...

...Miller not there. The guy is gone.

It’s time for us to get a great player and win a trade.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

He's willing to waive for NY. They're not a contender right now, they have some of the worst underlying numbers in the league, they may have locker room issues, they have coaching issues...

And your opinion of the Bruins future is just that, your opinion. There are some here who would argue the exact opposite. Miller might look at this as a team that's always good, with a good management team that always tries to win, that's made the playoffs 8 years in a row, that has a good core of stars in their 20's, a team where he could be a difference maker and play with one of the best wingers in the game, a team with a great fan base but not so rabid that he can't go to the mall to buy Christmas presents or walk his dog downtown.

He also used to play for NY. Perhaps he likes it there. He may also think their chances of turning things around are fairly high. But yes, their situation on the surface at least is not dissimilar to the Bruins, so the fact the move was on the table definitely doesn't rule Boston out.

The thing that really stands out to me with Miller is this - he has a full veto over where he ends up. So in a sense he has total control not so much over where he lands, but over where he doesn't. Out of all the potential teams he could go to, Boston have to be not only acceptable but the best on offer. All while the Bruins are a team that's generally perceived, rightly or wrongly, to most likely be in an overdue decline.

I just think the chances of the Bruins winning this race are miniscule. There's so much against them. Which I actually think is a bit of a shame despite some reservations because I really like the player even if I'm a bit unsure about the personality. I'll be completely shocked if we get him. But I've been known to be wrong before......

 

[Gifu]

Meh. The same was said about Taylor Hall being a locker room cancer and he was beloved by his teammates here

At that time the team still had one of the best maintainers of quality - THE LEADER, Bergeron. Chara had already left the team, but 1/2 was left.

 

[DominicT]

On another note, I get the sense @DominicT is hinting that a Frederic deal is done and will be announced soon.

I wonder, if this is a deal to hang onto him, or a deal to make him more attractive in trade?

Actually, no.

The gap has closed but not enough to get it done.

I do think it is still their preference to re-sign him.

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

Not a chance in hell

Then who would be a better choice?

 

[UncleRico]

Would like to see then make a move soon. They are now officially on the outside looking in regarding a playoff spot

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I see my error.

So in Boston it would be around 41%, correct?

I was agreeing with you - big win for him even to go to NY. Boston a bit higher than that I think.

No one making that kind of money comes anywhere close to paying those rates obviously.

 

[bp14]

If I were to build the perfect center for David Pastrnak, it would look a lot like JT Miller. He's big, fast and physical. He forechecks hard and is a play driver who wins battles and sets up scoring chances out of the corners. He's a playmaker first, but he also has a wicked shot and can beat goalies clean from distance. He's good on face-offs. He back checks hard and he's fast enough to catch guys. He's a left shot who plays the opposite elbow on the power play and has a good 1-timer. He's intense and plays with fire which I'd like to think would help keep Pasta engaged. I think he could be our Sam Bennett.

My reservations are his age, his off-ice issues and the fact that it is exceedingly rare for a team with two top6 centers over 30 to win a Cup.

Maybe that last reservation has already been solved, if Lindholm sticks on the 3rd line. Either way, I've decided that's not really JT Miller's problem. If you can add a 100 point center, you do it. You can always figure out what to do with the other guy afterwards.

The off-ice issues are scary too, but as others have mentioned, they have two guys who played with him. I could see a scenario where the Bruins ask for their input and are satisfied that whatever happened in Vancouver won't happen here.

Lastly, the age is an issue. Age declining curves are real, as are the handful of the guys who beat them. Miller is 31 and will be 36 on the last year of his deal. I think it's safe to say he won't be a point per game center by the end of it, but he probably doesn't have to be. The core of this team is 26-28 so their window is probably the next 2-3 years, and I do think Miller can give you top6 center for at least 2 of those years. If he starts to fade in year 3 or 4 he has a game that will translate further down the lineup and he can play any position so there should still be utility there, and an $8m cap hit with a $125m cap is probably going to be 3rd liner money by then.

So, long story short (too late) I would take a chance on Miller. I can see why some people love the idea and I can see why some people hate the idea. I don't think either side is 'wrong' but for me, I think the potential negatives can be overcome, and I fully expect him to spark some bubble team to an amazing second half, and be a driver for them again next year. If the price is right, why not us?

Are you calling Elias Lindholm a top 6 center?

And I don’t hate the idea of trading for Miller I just don’t want to see them trade a pick in the deal. Their farm is dry. It’s time to stop chasing and replenish for a bit. This roster simply isn’t good enough, at all, to trade off the future for.