Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XII

[Ratty]

Seravali talked about Miller to Boston on his show and about how Boston is one of the most attractive cities to live and play in, and how there aren't many better situations in the NHL than to be the center for David Pastrnak.

I wonder whether Servelli is aware that the MA voters elected to impose a higher tax on persons making more the one million. Seems to be a deterrent especially to a player employing an agent and requiring him to waive.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

So, to recap what we (think we) know regarding the J.T. Miller situation...

• Lots of chatter about a rift between Miller and Elias Pettersson.
• Patrick Allvin (Canucks GM) has explored the trade market for both players.
• Pettersson has reportedly made it known that he wants to remain in Vancouver.
• Miller has a full NMC. He is signed for 5 more years with an AAV of $8.0M.
• Elliotte Friedman reported that the Canucks are prioritizing a Center return in any trade, but are also looking for a defenseman.
• Friedman reported that a deal with the Rangers for J.T. Miller was close to being finalized Saturday, but ultimately fell through. Miller did not invoke his NMC.
• Some teams already have permission to speak with Miller.
• As of this past Thursday, Tom Fitzgerald (NJD GM) has denied speaking to Allvin.

Am I missing any important details?

 

[Coach Parker]

One can hope

Canucks ask for Poitras and Lohrei- Bs counter with Coyle and Carlo

And it's usually somewhere in the middle. Coyle and Lohrei

 

[Gordoff]

And it's usually somewhere in the middle. Coyle and Lohrei

I'm not "for" trading for Miller but especially NOT for Lohrei. His best days as an NHLer are ahead of him and I think we'd be ruing the day for a long, long time.
Miller would give the Bruins a lift for the rest of the year, and next but after that it's a crapshoot that I don't
see as worth it in the long run, even if there's retention and it ends up being much less of a return.
Of course, if he did come here, and the B's want to get rid of him in a year or two he may have value to other teams in future TDL's but it's just kicking the issue down the road unless he invokes his NMC then. He just seems like too much of an overall headache.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Nucks counter with: Poitras, Carlo or Coyle, Lohrei……what do we do?

(1000%, I have no idea what I’d do)

Hang up the phone and block the number

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Of course, if he did come here, and the B's want to get rid of him in a year or two he may have value to other teams in future TDL's but it's just kicking the issue down the road unless he invokes his NMC then. He just seems like too much of an overall headache.

Not disagreeing, just want to point out that Miller has a 15 team no trade after the 2026-27 season. So it may be easier to trade him in the last three years of his contract.

 

[PlayMakers]

Nice city, tick, excellent RW, tick. Sure. On the other side, team that is not a contender right now, has some of the worst underlying numbers in the league, seriously lacks offensive depth, has no coach worthy of the title, may already have some locker room issues, more likely than not to be on a downward slide that will take some time to bottom out let alone turn around, high tax state.

Now some of that might be easily fixable, some of it simply may not bother Miller. He may either believe the Bruins can right the ship quickly, or he simply may not care because he can live in a nice suburb in a nice house. But the point is I believe there are more arguments against Boston for a player in his situation than for. Could be wrong, but that's how I see it.

He's willing to waive for NY. They're not a contender right now, they have some of the worst underlying numbers in the league, they may have locker room issues, they have coaching issues...

And your opinion of the Bruins future is just that, your opinion. There are some here who would argue the exact opposite. Miller might look at this as a team that's always good, with a good management team that always tries to win, that's made the playoffs 8 years in a row, that has a good core of stars in their 20's, a team where he could be a difference maker and play with one of the best wingers in the game, a team with a great fan base but not so rabid that he can't go to the mall to buy Christmas presents or walk his dog downtown.

 

[DKH]

I would re-sign Geekie and Frederic for 4-4.75M

Agree

Bruins get in bottom 8 it’s a lock they get Hagens; Betman will take care of his buddy and Chicago and SJ will understand it’s good for the league

There’s our center we need

 

[DKH]

We should poll the fanbase: Who feels good about the cap going up with Harvard Sweeney still at the helm?

Allan Walsh projects the cap to be at 105+ million three years from now. That's 27 million higher than it is currently.

Do we trust Donny Deals shopping for more UFAs?

Whatever Michael Felger says is what the majority of the fans will vote

Anyone thinking otherwise is delusional

 

[PlayMakers]

I wonder whether Servelli is aware that the MA voters elected to impose a higher tax on persons making more the one million. Seems to be a deterrent especially to a player employing an agent and requiring him to waive.

Even with that hike, I believe he'd take home $1m more playing here instead of NYC.

 

[Babajingo]

Outside looking in. Lets hope Mr Burns has had enough with the dynamic duo.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think the tax in MA, even with that hike is 9%. The tax in New York City is 13.5-15%.

Either way, it's a massive tax cut from what he's paying in Vancouver.

On an $8,000,000 income, you’re paying 53.5% in provincial and federal tax in BC. New York is just over 46%.

 

[PlayMakers]

On an $8,000,000 income, you’re paying 53.5% in provincial and federal tax in BC. New York is just over 46%.

I see my error.

So in Boston it would be around 41%, correct?

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Last post regarding J.T. Miller from me, unless there are new developments...

I understand the many concerns surrounding the idea of acquiring Miller. I share some of them. But, to anyone who thinks that he wouldn't be an upgrade on this year's Bruins' team:


Using combined stats from the last 2 seasons, as far as the top-6 forwards, Miller would rank on the Bruins:

• Primary Assists = 1st
• Powerplay Points = 1st
• Powerplay Primary Assists = 1st (and it's not even close)
• Shooting% = 1st
• Faceoff Win% = 1st
• Hits For = 1st
• Goals = 2nd
• Points = 2nd

 

[Tbaybruin]

Carlo and either Coyle or Lindholm plus a prospect. Shows team we want to win and we don’t get older but we get much better. I’m sure Lindholm is a pipe dream but the hope is Vancouver could live with the 2 Swedish centres on their team

Last post regarding J.T. Miller from me, unless there are new developments...

I understand the many concerns surrounding the idea of acquiring Miller. I share some of them. But, to anyone who thinks that he wouldn't be an upgrade on this year's Bruins' team:


Using combined stats from the last 2 seasons, as far as the top-6 forwards, Miller would rank on the Bruins:

• Primary Assists = 1st
• Powerplay Points = 1st
• Powerplay Primary Assists = 1st (and it's not even close)
• Shooting% = 1st
• Faceoff Win% = 1st
• Hits For = 1st
• Goals = 2nd
• Points = 2nd

Facts. Great post

 

[PlayMakers]

On another note, I get the sense @DominicT is hinting that a Frederic deal is done and will be announced soon.

I wonder, if this is a deal to hang onto him, or a deal to make him more attractive in trade?

 

[Coach Parker]

Buddies are at the Canucks Dice & Ice Charity event tonight at Parq Casino...

...Miller not there. The guy is gone.

 

[Tbaybruin]

Buddies are at the Canucks Dice & Ice Charity event tonight at Parq Casino...

...Miller not there. The guy is gone.

It’s time for us to get a great player and win a trade.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

He's willing to waive for NY. They're not a contender right now, they have some of the worst underlying numbers in the league, they may have locker room issues, they have coaching issues...

And your opinion of the Bruins future is just that, your opinion. There are some here who would argue the exact opposite. Miller might look at this as a team that's always good, with a good management team that always tries to win, that's made the playoffs 8 years in a row, that has a good core of stars in their 20's, a team where he could be a difference maker and play with one of the best wingers in the game, a team with a great fan base but not so rabid that he can't go to the mall to buy Christmas presents or walk his dog downtown.

He also used to play for NY. Perhaps he likes it there. He may also think their chances of turning things around are fairly high. But yes, their situation on the surface at least is not dissimilar to the Bruins, so the fact the move was on the table definitely doesn't rule Boston out.

As for the rest, yes the team has good management but no guarantees at this point the incumbents will still be there in 6 months' time, all those playoffs and they've so much as sniffed a Cup only once, suggesting consistent underperformance when it matters most, so to me that's as much an argument against as for, great fan base yes I think so, but if things go bad for you it can turn hostile pretty quick. The core of "stars" in their 20s is precisely three people - Pasta, McAvoy and Sway. Carlo, Zacha and Zadorov aren't stars, they're just good-ish players, and two of them are currently underperforming. Amongst the proper youngsters there are still big question marks around Poitras and Lohrei, have barely seen Lysell yet. Not much else there. And much as the idea of playing with Pasta should rightly excite anybody, the rest of the top 6 is distinctly underwhelming. Not especially attractive all in all.

I'm going hard on the negative here, not because I think it's all necessarily that bad but just to again make the case that yeah you can argue all these things two ways, and probably more besides. The thing that really stands out to me with Miller is this - he has a full veto over where he ends up. So in a sense he has total control not so much over where he lands, but over where he doesn't. Out of all the potential teams he could go to, Boston have to be not only acceptable but the best on offer. All while the Bruins are a team that's generally perceived, rightly or wrongly, to most likely be in an overdue decline.

I just think the chances of the Bruins winning this race are miniscule. There's so much against them. Which I actually think is a bit of a shame despite some reservations because I really like the player even if I'm a bit unsure about the personality. I'll be completely shocked if we get him. But I've been known to be wrong before......

 

[Gifu]

Meh. The same was said about Taylor Hall being a locker room cancer and he was beloved by his teammates here

At that time the team still had one of the best maintainers of quality - THE LEADER, Bergeron. Chara had already left the team, but 1/2 was left.