Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XII

[KillerMillerTime]

Let the Geek & perhaps Peeke go. Frederic without question.

Unfortunately, Charlie Coyle & John Beecher, who simply can't find the net, as much as I've rooted for him.

A "mid" prospect, as Evan Marinofsky might say. They should, uh, figure out what they have in Lysell & Merkulov and get on with it.

Poop or get off the pot, to paraphrase Nixon in another context.

If they defer, they defer. I would investigate, confirm in preliminary fashion and go from there.

I don't want to trade Brando. Many do. Most don't quite understand how good he is, in his quiet way. You can't make a player something they're not, generally speaking, as Butch observed when speaking of Carlo. He's not a bruiser. He's an intelligent, conservative, solid D with a long reach and a disruptive stick.

Keep him if you can. If not, not.

Tootles,









Not Mason, not Mathew.

Why are you trading Geekie? Developing great chemistry with 88\18.

Frederic has turned his game around. keep both if $$ is reasonable.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I would sell high( whatever high is for him) on Brasseau I think .Teams will want him with his size and reach ( 10 goals 20 pts in 45 gms) .Freddy be gone as well if he not resigned by deadline.

I would re-sign Geekie and Frederic for 4-4.75M

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Carlo and Coyle had zero to do with the lead the Bruins had but had a shit ton to do with losing it.

How much longer do have to watch these two stink up the joint and soil their pants in crunch time. two soft minder happy go lucky guys.

I still can't get over Coyle getting bullied by that no name, not one or twice but three times before he responded with a bear hug.

Get him out of here, even give a pick to do it if necessary

I would re-sign Geekie and Frederic for 4-4.75M

I hope those two will be part of the core for a few more years. Both will be signed. Maybe Freddy leaves because of the $ he will be able the earn on the open market.

 

[TCB]

 

[GordonHowe]

My interest in trading Carlo isn't cause I don't value him, it's cause I think he gets you a really good return and I'm not sure he's gonna be a guy they should look to extend beyond his current contract because of his concussion history. Replacing a top 4 RD is gonna be hard, don't get me wrong. But this team needs to add so much up front to get back into contention that I think they kinda have to make some moves that might hurt a bit.

Agree.

Carlo is one concussion away for being out of the league. That is unfortunate.

However, his value is, as it were, undervalued by most.

I think there's another way to address the derth of offense.

If they trade Brandon, they trade Brandon.

But don't mistake what you are losing when you do.

He is also a leader. Like Charlie Coyle, his contributions go largely unnoticed and unappreciated. He is a leader on this team.

I know I come down hard on David and Chuckie, but they are not very good leaders, though they wear the A.

Happy-Go-Lucky and Trying Too Hard aren't especially effective as leaders.

 

[BergyWho37]

Those trades rarely happen through the season and it's because most teams still have a shot at the playoffs and are not yet selling and less to do with cap space. That's what parity is doing.

Edmonton could have some interest in Justin Brazeau

IF you trade the 1st and have space

Hmm off the top of my head the last 2 maybe 3 years I didn’t fact check everything Horvat and Hertl I mentioned these two cause of center position but I’m sure there’s others.

 

[SPV]

I’d trade Mac or Carlo for the right return to strengthen the top 6. It could allow you to bump Coyle into the bottom six where he thrives

 

[dugg133]

Agree.

Carlo is one concussion away for being out of the league. That is unfortunate.

However, his value is, as it were, undervalued by most.

I think there's another way to address the derth of offense.

If they trade Brandon, they trade Brandon.

But don't mistake what you are losing when you do.

He is also a leader. Like Charlie Coyle, his contributions go largely unnoticed and unappreciated. He is a leader on this team.

I know I come down hard on David and Chuckie, but they are not very good leaders, though they wear the A.

Happy-Go-Lucky and Trying Too Hard aren't especially effective as leaders.

I'll be honest I'm a little sick of hearing how great the leadership is on this team when it feels like the other teams have pretty consistently wanted it more then us in big moments over the past few years. I value Carlo's contributions on the ice, but the leadership stuff just isn't doing it for me anymore with anyone on the roster.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I still think TF should go. He is only better because he is getting some top line time, and his improved play will not last. (/you are kidding yourself if you think it will.)

Geekie should stay. He has good chemistry with 88 and is young enough where he won't be too expensive. He is also a consistent player save the first 20 games this year.

Carlo should go, decent rh d man, but one concussion away and just a bad fit here now. He is decent when paired with a quicker d and i would much, much rather move and replace Zadorov, but that is not realistic.

 

[Dr Hook]

I would re-sign Geekie and Frederic for 4-4.75M

Combined? Sure. Each? Maybe Geek, but Frederic no way. He's been a lot better lately, but the bar was pretty low. He's playing like a steady 4th liner right now on pace for 24 points and with his better play, he is not exactly lighting it up on the scoreboard. You hope he can get back to the upward trend he was showing in past seasons, but a $4m+ and some kind of term is a bit of a risk on him. He's always been inconsistent (I think his rookie year was his best consistency-wise) but this year the off night are way outnumbering the on nights in total.

 

[GordonHowe]

I'll be honest I'm a little sick of hearing how great the leadership is on this team when it feels like the other teams have pretty consistently wanted it more then us in big moments over the past few years. I value Carlo's contributions on the ice, but the leadership stuff just isn't doing it for me anymore with anyone on the roster.

Well, it's a depleted line up in many respects, including leadership.

Look back to 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011.

Comparatively, the Bruins were loaded with leadership *throughout the roster.*

Not coincidentally, Peter Chiarelli constructed those teams.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[TCB]

Bruins lose tomorrow, they’ll blow it up!

 

[TCB]

As the minds turns

 

[dugg133]

As the minds turns

From Fluto:


I get we're missing guys, but that is a putrid lineup.

 

[PlayMakers]

Finally, some accountability for #28.

I hope he thrives in his new role, I really do.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I’d trade Mac or Carlo for the right return to strengthen the top 6. It could allow you to bump Coyle into the bottom six where he thrives

You want a youngish 2nd pair RD, older top 6 F and #1 pick for #73. Look for a DNQ team.

 

[PlayMakers]

From Fluto:


I get we're missing guys, but that is a putrid lineup.

Yes it is. But given what we have to work with, there is a lot of sense to that lineup...

L1: Hopefully Wahlstrom is just a place holder and Zacha will be back tomorrow.

L2: Lehtieri was Poitras' RW in Providence. They have some chemistry.

L3: This is where Lindholm belongs. He is not a top6 forward right now. He also had chemistry with Coyle (in that Coyle did the heavy lifting defensively and Lindholm could be a little more free to play). Coyle and Frederic has always worked. That should be a good line.

L4: Brazeau deserves better IMO but if Zacha is coming back it doesn't make sense to disrupt the rest of the lineup. Having JB on the 4th line helps them too.

Zadorov-Peeke are your two best, healthy defensemen.
Spoon - Carlo has been an effective pair. Carlo needs a puck moving partner.
Lohrei-Oyster is scary. I would prefer they play Callahan here, even if it means one of them has to play their off-side. These two guys together must give Sway nightmares.

 

[KrejciWinger]

We should poll the fanbase: Who feels good about the cap going up with Harvard Sweeney still at the helm?

Allan Walsh projects the cap to be at 105+ million three years from now. That's 27 million higher than it is currently.

Do we trust Donny Deals shopping for more UFAs?

 

[Oates2Neely]

We should poll the fanbase: Who feels good about the cap going up with Harvard Sweeney still at the helm?

Allan Walsh projects the cap to be at 105+ million three years from now. That's 27 million higher than it is currently.

Do we trust Donny Deals shopping for more UFAs?

I don’t have an issue with Sweeney in free agency for the most part. And he’s made some solid deals at the trade deadline acquiring talent for mostly picks. Hampus Lindholm was a great trade. I actually think Elias Lindholm will adjust and be a solid 2nd line center here. I’m also okay with Zadarov signing even if he is slightly overpaid he brings a much needed element to this team.

My issue with Sweeney is drafting. My next problem with him is the lack of hockey trades. When good players have been available (Eichel Hertl Stone heck even Kakko) he is never reported to be involved in those deals. He seems to be stuck in only trading at the trade deadline. I just feel he lacks creativity. It’s now caught up with him in a big way.

 

[PlayMakers]

If I were to build the perfect center for David Pastrnak, it would look a lot like JT Miller. He's big, fast and physical. He forechecks hard and is a play driver who wins battles and sets up scoring chances out of the corners. He's a playmaker first, but he also has a wicked shot and can beat goalies clean from distance. He's good on face-offs. He back checks hard and he's fast enough to catch guys. He's a left shot who plays the opposite elbow on the power play and has a good 1-timer. He's intense and plays with fire which I'd like to think would help keep Pasta engaged. I think he could be our Sam Bennett.

My reservations are his age, his off-ice issues and the fact that it is exceedingly rare for a team with two top6 centers over 30 to win a Cup.

Maybe that last reservation has already been solved, if Lindholm sticks on the 3rd line. Either way, I've decided that's not really JT Miller's problem. If you can add a 100 point center, you do it. You can always figure out what to do with the other guy afterwards.

The off-ice issues are scary too, but as others have mentioned, they have two guys who played with him. I could see a scenario where the Bruins ask for their input and are satisfied that whatever happened in Vancouver won't happen here.

Lastly, the age is an issue. Age declining curves are real, as are the handful of the guys who beat them. Miller is 31 and will be 36 on the last year of his deal. I think it's safe to say he won't be a point per game center by the end of it, but he probably doesn't have to be. The core of this team is 26-28 so their window is probably the next 2-3 years, and I do think Miller can give you top6 center for at least 2 of those years. If he starts to fade in year 3 or 4 he has a game that will translate further down the lineup and he can play any position so there should still be utility there, and an $8m cap hit with a $125m cap is probably going to be 3rd liner money by then.

So, long story short (too late) I would take a chance on Miller. I can see why some people love the idea and I can see why some people hate the idea. I don't think either side is 'wrong' but for me, I think the potential negatives can be overcome, and I fully expect him to spark some bubble team to an amazing second half, and be a driver for them again next year. If the price is right, why not us?

 

[The Andrew Peeke Fan]

If I were to build the perfect center for David Pastrnak, it would look a lot like JT Miller. He's big, fast and physical. He forechecks hard and is a play driver who wins battles and sets up scoring chances out of the corners. He's a playmaker first, but he also has a wicked shot and can beat goalies clean from distance. He's good on face-offs. He back checks hard and he's fast enough to catch guys. He's a left shot who plays the opposite elbow on the power play and has a good 1-timer. He's intense and plays with fire which I'd like to think would help keep Pasta engaged. I think he could be our Sam Bennett.

My reservations are his age, his off-ice issues and the fact that it is exceedingly rare for a team with two top6 centers over 30 to win a Cup.

Maybe that last reservation has already been solved, if Lindholm sticks on the 3rd line. Either way, I've decided that's not really JT Miller's problem. If you can add a 100 point center, you do it. You can always figure out what to do with the other guy afterwards.

The off-ice issues are scary too, but as others have mentioned, they have two guys who played with him. I could see a scenario where the Bruins ask for their input and are satisfied that whatever happened in Vancouver won't happen here.

Lastly, the age is an issue. Age declining curves are real, as are the handful of the guys who beat them. Miller is 31 and will be 36 on the last year of his deal. I think it's safe to say he won't be a point per game center by the end of it, but he probably doesn't have to be. The core of this team is 26-28 so their window is probably the next 2-3 years, and I do think Miller can give you top6 center for at least 2 of those years. If he starts to fade in year 3 or 4 he has a game that will translate further down the lineup and he can play any position so there should still be utility there, and an $8m cap hit with a $125m cap is probably going to be 3rd liner money by then.

So, long story short (too late) I would take a chance on Miller. I can see why some people love the idea and I can see why some people hate the idea. I don't think either side is 'wrong' but for me, I think the potential negatives can be overcome, and I fully expect him to spark some bubble team to an amazing second half, and be a driver for them again next year. If the price is right, why not us?

You think Zacha goes for him?

 

[The don godfather]

From Fluto:


I get we're missing guys, but that is a putrid lineup.

Keep that 1st round pick .

 

[KrejciWinger]

My next problem with him is the lack of hockey trades. When good players have been available (Eichel Hertl Stone heck even Kakko) he is never reported to be involved in those deals. He seems to be stuck in only trading at the trade deadline. I just feel he lacks creativity. It’s now caught up with him in a big way.

Bingo. Add Patrick Laine to that list. Obviously he can't pick up the phone and magically get any player he wants, but you don't even hear a whisper about the Bruins being interested in high-offense players.

 

[ODAAT]

Why are you trading Geekie? Developing great chemistry with 88\18.

Frederic has turned his game around. keep both if $$ is reasonable.

I was all in on moving Geekie earlier in the season, he was simply putrid as many were but he`s been one of the very few consistently sound players once he got going

It`s sad that the players whose efforts I have appreciated the most in no order this year have been Koepke, Kastelic (who I think should be the shoe in for the 7th player award) and Korpi who I expected to be better than his stats in Ottawa stated but not as steady as he has been for the majority of the year

I shift out Freddy for sure and I test the waters on McAvoy to see who`d pay a ransom for him

 

[JayMark]

Finally, some accountability for #28.

I hope he thrives in his new role, I really do.

That's a lot of money to be paying a third line center...... but he is what he is.