Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XII

[KillerMillerTime]

I don't think his production, would be an issu, my only concern is his contract and age, and there thoughts that he could be injured.

You have to inquire and see what the ask is. Zach's

You want to live through another Jumbo Joe trade?

That's horrible value for a top pairing dman

If Kreider wasn't dealing with injury issues its not horrible value at all if you believe as I do McAvoy is a d man in the 25 range of Dmen NHL wide and regressing. Schneider is no stiff, a 2nd pair RD with upside and if the NYR DNQ, you will have a picks in top 16 of a center oriented draft.

 

[GordonHowe]

Add in his great leadership and commitment to the team and culture and I'd say Coyle is better than Zibinajad for the Bruins.


Fair enough. Huge intense playoff performer who calls out guys on the team and in the the dressing room behind closed doors who he doesn't believe are giving 100% on and off the ice. People were fine with McDavid screaming in the Amazon series though.

There are different ways to be an effective captain.

Some are intense. Some are speech makers. Some lead by example.

And some combine all three qualities to varying degrees.

The best ask nothing of others they do not ask of themselves.

Relative to off ice conditioning, high level practice, demanding in game performance, accountability, and playing for one another as a team.

Ted Lindsay.

Jean Beliveau.

Bobby Orr.

Mark Messier.

Zdeno Chara.

Patrice Bergeron.

There aren't any screamers in that bunch, and certainly these days, you don't need to be.

"Captain" Alex Ovechkin -- who called Bruce Boudreau a "fat f*ck" on the bench, well within hearing of all around him, and publicly humiliated rookie goaltender & fellow Russian Ilya Samsinov when the latter's mistake led to a regular season loss



provides an object example of a selfish, shit head "leader." I don't care how good he is (or was). He's a jerk and dishonors the NHL's captaincy tradition.

PS Charlie Coyle is far more deserving of an "A" than Pastrnak (PR from my POV, ala Joe Thornton Face of a Failing Franchise) or McAvoy.

Nonetheless, Mick Colageo predicts Coyle will likely be traded for Chris Kreider.

 

[wintersej]

Wasn't Lindholm being slotted more accordingly and playing 3rd line-minutes?

Lindholm was 2nd on the team in forward time on ice in the playoffs. Only Miller had more. Lindholm played more than EP and Boeser.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

There are different ways to be an effective captain.

Some are intense. Some are speech makers. Some lead by example.

And some combine all three qualities to varying degrees.

The best ask nothing of others they do not ask of themselves.

Relative to off ice conditioning, high level practice, demanding in game performance, accountability, and playing for one another as a team.

Ted Lindsay.

Jean Beliveau.

Bobby Orr.

Mark Messier.

Zdeno Chara.

Patrice Bergeron.

There aren't any screamers in that bunch, and certainly these days, you don't need to be.

"Captain" Alex Ovechkin -- who called Bruce Boudreau a "fat f*ck" on the bench, well within hearing of all around him, and publicly humiliated rookie goaltender & fellow Russian Ilya Samsinov when the latter's mistake led to a regular season loss



provides an object example of a selfish, shit head "leader." I don't care how good he is (or was). He's a jerk and dishonors the NHL's captaincy tradition.

PS Charlie Coyle is far more deserving of an "A" than Pastnak (PR from my POV) or McAvoy.

Nonetheless, Mick Colageo predicts Coyle will likely be traded for Chris Kreider.

No one has a read on the modern NHL like Mick Colageo.

 

[Coach Parker]

The Defenseman, that at everyone wants gone.

Not everyone wants him gone. Not at all.

But it's a waste of time to discuss trading players that no one (including Bruins fans) want to trade for. If were going to discuss getting 100pt centres it's worth it to look at exactly what the other teams needs are and put forth valuable assets.

I don't want anyone gone but I don't see how that is possible to make a trade.

Wasn't Lindholm being slotted more accordingly and playing 3rd line-minutes?

Yeah, and then outplayed Pettersson and became the 2nd line C with his production and play.

 

[Hookslide]

Toffoli makes $6M a year for three more years after this.

Panarin makes $11.6M for one more year and would cost everything not nailed down.

Why is Detroit trading DeBrincat?

Why does anyone trade DeBrincat.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

So what trade gets Miller here and leaves the Bruins as cup contenders? Who is going the other way? Almost has to be Carlo, and I guess Frederic? Is this team a cup contending defense without Carlo?

And of course any talk of cup contending means Swayman has to return to 2024 postseason form

This team is built for the playoffs. Carlo goes with a few others for J.T. Miller. Lindholm is back on D and Swayman gets hot.... this team could get interesting.

 

[Hookslide]

Carlo is way underrated in my opinion

I agree he has taken some unnecessary shit in this town, I do agree he has not played up to his usual play this year, I have always been a big backer of Carlo, and might add for those who say he is limited because of his offense, forget there are other parts to a hockey game, and his contract has been and still is another plus. Am I against trading him no, buy only if it is a deal that makes this team better, I hope that can be done without moving him.

 

[GordonHowe]

The Defenseman, that at everyone wants gone.

Not everyone.

As noted, I was so taken with anticipatory excitement by the Zadorov signing I bought a Not Cheap #91 t shirt when they became available @ the Pro Shop.

Until his recent improvement, Nikita's play, like that of most around him, was poop. Disillusioned, I discarded the
t shirt.

I rather doubt I'll purchase another, but at last he seems to be finding his groove. Also true of many around him over the past *two games.*

Alas and alack for a greater, reassuring sample size, but here we are.

My conflicting priorities aside (rebuild, relieve SweeNeely, new management/coach, exhume Eddie Shore), things are actually beginning to get interesting.

Oh, those Bruins!

 

[TCB]

Lindholm was 2nd on the team in forward time on ice in the playoffs. Only Miller had more. Lindholm played more than EP and Boeser.

He had a very good playoff and his even strength time slotted him 4th on TOI, his special teams time put him just above EP40 for overall time, but tochett during even strength had him with Joshua and Garland centering the third line. Boeser actually was only behind Miller in TOI.

Garland loved playing with him, saying how whenever you made a mistake he was there to cover for you, hopefully we'll see the same Lindholm in the 2025 playoffs.

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[Coach Parker]

He had a very good playoff and his even strength time slotted him 4th on TOI, his special teams time put him just above EP40 for overall time, but tochett during even strength had him with Joshua and Garland centering the third line. Boeser actually was only behind Miller in TOI.

Garland loved playing with him, saying how when ever you made a mistake he was there to cover for you, hopefully we'll see the same Lindholm in the 2025 playoffs.

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Thanks for posting this.

Again, the city is 24/7 Canucks here and during the playoffs Lindholm was worth the trade, Zadorov was the menacing, intimidating D, and Miller was the hero. Garland and Joshua also received praise.

 

[TCB]

Thanks for posting this.

Again, the city is 24/7 Canucks here and during the playoffs Lindholm was worth the trade, Zadorov was the menacing, intimidating D, and Miller was the hero. Garland and Joshua also received praise.

Boeser was another guy who had a great playoff year and is entering his UFA year and could be made available. I'm thinking if the Canucks lose their next two someone will be moved out.

 

[Coach Parker]

Not everyone.

As noted, I was so taken with anticipatory excitement by the Zadorov signing I bought a Not Cheap #91 t shirt when they became available @ the Pro Shop.

Until his recent improvement, Nikita's play, like that of most around him, was poop. Disillusioned, I discarded the
t shirt.

I rather doubt I'll purchase another, but at last he seems to be finding his groove. Also true of many around him over the past *two games.*

Alas and alack for a greater, reassuring sample size, but here we are.

My conflicting priorities aside (rebuild, relieve SweeNeely, new management/coach, exhume Eddie Shore), things are actually beginning to get interesting.

Oh, those Bruins!

I bet you pull that shirt back out during the playoffs Gordy.

 

[Hookslide]

Not everyone.

As noted, I was so taken with anticipatory excitement by the Zadorov signing I bought a Not Cheap #91 t shirt when they became available @ the Pro Shop.

Until his recent improvement, Nikita's play, like that of most around him, was poop. Disillusioned, I discarded the
t shirt.

I rather doubt I'll purchase another, but at last he seems to be finding his groove. Also true of many around him over the past *two games.*

Alas and alack for a greater, reassuring sample size, but here we are.

My conflicting priorities aside (rebuild, relieve SweeNeely, new management/coach, exhume Eddie Shore), things are actually beginning to get interesting.

Oh, those Bruins!

I think Zadorov, was brought in for the playoffs, I hope gets a chance to play in them, and I think he will be a plus for them in the playoffs, it is a different game than regular season. I do not want a rebuild, I am too old to live through one, also people pay a lot of money for these games give them something to watch and enjoy and if you cannot deliver get out of the business. Times have changed; I was one who believed stick with the your team in good times and bad, I do not think that way anymore. Ownership puts out a shitty product, don't buy it, and they should go to the source that is responsible and give them their walking papers.

 

[Coach Parker]

Boeser was another guy who had a great playoff year and is entering his UFA year and could be made available. I'm thinking if the Canucks lose their next two someone will be moved out.

He is gone. They won't do 7x7. He's better paid and allocated DeBrusk money not Miller. I think yesterday alone there was 3-4 segments on the radio covering how he is a complimentary player and he doesn't drive the play (Jannik Hansen for sure was on saying that) and that you pay him like DeBrusk and no more.

Said other teams will give him more so trade him at the deadline; looks like they're trading his C anyways.

 

[TCB]

He is gone. They won't do 7x7. He's better paid and allocated DeBrusk money not Miller. I think yesterday alone there was 3-4 segments on the radio covering how he is a complimentary player and he doesn't drive the play (Jannik Hansen for sure was on saying that) and that you pay him like DeBrusk and no more.

Said other teams will give him more so trade him at the deadline; looks like they're trading his C anyways.

It would be nice to see another Canuck land in Boston and the Bruins go on to win the cup. Just adding a little more salt to the wound.

 

[GordonHowe]

I bet you pull that shirt back out during the playoffs Gordy.

I'm not a betting man, but I hope you're right.

 

[Hookslide]

No one has a read on the modern NHL like Mick Colageo.

Colageo is very good, and he does need to draw attention to himself like so many do.......I watch Haggertys on You-tube and not for him believe, me but I do it to listen Colageo, and Divver is not bad also. Some in the media should watch them and learn something.

 

[wintersej]

He had a very good playoff and his even strength time slotted him 4th on TOI, his special teams time put him just above EP40 for overall time, but tochett during even strength had him with Joshua and Garland centering the third line. Boeser actually was only behind Miller in TOI.

Garland loved playing with him, saying how whenever you made a mistake he was there to cover for you, hopefully we'll see the same Lindholm in the 2025 playoffs.

Vancouver Canucks @ NHL - 2024 Playoff Stats

Vancouver Canucks stats, scoring leaders and demographics breakdown in the 2024 NHL playoffs. Player nationality and age distributions, draft rounds of players in the 2024 playoffs.

www.quanthockey.com

He had 7 fewer 5 on 5 minutes than EP over the 13 games.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Colageo is very good, and he does need to draw attention to himself like so many do.......I watch Haggertys on You-tube and not for him believe, me but I do it to listen Colageo, and Divver is not bad also. Some in the media should watch them and learn something.

It doesn’t surprise me that you would be a fan of Divver and Colageo.

 

[22Brad Park]

There are different ways to be an effective captain.

Some are intense. Some are speech makers. Some lead by example.

And some combine all three qualities to varying degrees.

The best ask nothing of others they do not ask of themselves.

Relative to off ice conditioning, high level practice, demanding in game performance, accountability, and playing for one another as a team.

Ted Lindsay.

Jean Beliveau.

Bobby Orr.

Mark Messier.

Zdeno Chara.

Patrice Bergeron.

There aren't any screamers in that bunch, and certainly these days, you don't need to be.

"Captain" Alex Ovechkin -- who called Bruce Boudreau a "fat f*ck" on the bench, well within hearing of all around him, and publicly humiliated rookie goaltender & fellow Russian Ilya Samsinov when the latter's mistake led to a regular season loss



provides an object example of a selfish, shit head "leader." I don't care how good he is (or was). He's a jerk and dishonors the NHL's captaincy tradition.

PS Charlie Coyle is far more deserving of an "A" than Pastnak (PR from my POV) or McAvoy.

Nonetheless, Mick Colageo predicts Coyle will likely be traded for Chris Kreider.

Bryan Trottier was a good one.Dennis Potvin was some leader too

 

[Tbaybruin]

Trading a 27 yr old core player during a down year for the entire team isn’t a move I’d make

It’s all about the return. If it’s a good trade let it be done

 

[Hookslide]

It doesn’t surprise me that you would be a fan of Divver and Colageo.

And why is that because I am old?

 

[PlayMakers]

Colageo is very good, and he does need to draw attention to himself like so many do.......I watch Haggertys on You-tube and not for him believe, me but I do it to listen Colageo, and Divver is not bad also. Some in the media should watch them and learn something.

They are very knowledgable and there is a lot to learn there but I agree with Marchy in that their opinion on the game and systems is a bit dated. You can put Dupont in that group too. Colageo is pining for Kreider, Dupont is pining for Patrick Kane.

On the flip side, you've got Evan Marinovsky who has that millennial entitlement thing where he constantly cites all 'the idiot fans on HFBoards or Twitter' to make it seem like he's the only one who's actually thought this through, when most of the time his point is idiotic. He did a show with Raycroft where he's telling Razor that the Bruins need to switch from an overload to an umbrella PP. The Bruins haven't played an overload since Marc Savard ran the PP. A couple times during the interview Raycroft just had to smile and not say anything. It's a shame because Marinovsky really knows college hockey and prospects.

 

[GordonHowe]

Colageo is very good, and he does need to draw attention to himself like so many do.......I watch Haggertys on You-tube and not for him believe, me but I do it to listen Colageo, and Divver is not bad also. Some in the media should watch them and learn something.

The Herald's Steve Conroy is also a frequent guest on harry arms Haggerty's worthy podcast "Pucks With Haggs."

Speaking of worthy podcasts, treat yourself to both "Bruins Beat" & "Poke the Bear," hosted by New England Hockey Journal editor Evan Maranofsky and Conor Ryan. Occasional guests, like Ty Anderson, who is, IMHO, a perceptive analyst of Bruins players, in game action, coaching, management, and ownership.

"What is the long term vision of the Boston Bruins?"

Pick up @ either 15:00 or 18:00 (I forget) for Anderson's answer to this big picture question, though a full listen is merited,



More good stuff,



Try to ignore Haggerty's pudgy piggie legs in the background picture montage (sic),