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Mr. Make-Believe

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Anyone who suggests trading Carlo at this juncture should also need to provide an explanation as to why they think Peeke will flourish as the number two RD.
No they shouldn’t. False argument.

Anyone suggesting trading Carlo is doing so with the idea that it makes the overall team better as a result. Has nothing to do with Andrew Peeke.

Unless you’re seeing a bunch of proposals of Carlo for futures?
 

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I think it's time to trade Carlo. I also think Geekie should be the forward to go over Frederic simply because I think he holds more value as an RFA and pacing for another 40 points but if I'm wrong then switch them.

Carlo & Geekie for Kulich & Jokiharju

Buffalo desperately needs a top 4 RHD

Make a Czech line with Zacha Kulich Pastrnak

Use Jokiharju as a placeholder and then go hard after Kovacevic in the offseason. There's no way the Devils will retain him with L.Hughes getting a massive raise soon and their two best prospects in Nemec and Casey are RD after Hamilton and Pesce. Easy Carlo replacement.
 

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Anyone who suggests trading Carlo at this juncture should also need to provide an explanation as to why they think Peeke will flourish as the number two RD.
Well, folks could be saying to heck with this season. Trade Carlo for a good young forward, muddle thru the last 40 games and address the 2RD hole in the off-season.
 
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Well, folks could be saying to heck with this season. Trade Carlo for a good young forward, muddle thru the last 40 games and address the 2RD hole in the off-season.
Sure, but why not just sign the forward in the offseason?

To address a need at forward you would hope to deal from a position of strength. Organizationally right side defenseman is not a position of strength.
 

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Sure, but why not just sign the forward in the offseason?

To address a need at forward you would hope to deal from a position of strength. Organizationally right side defenseman is not a position of strength.
"Young" forwards are not UFAs. You can sign a 27 year old D, however.

Fwiw, I think Sweeney is the type to hold onto what he has and sign what he doesn't, even if the signed player isn't a perfect fit or the safest bet. So I think he'd much rather keep Carlo and sign the best UFA forward he can afford, than make a bold trade of a core player to swing a blockbuster deal. I think major change like that would have to come from a different GM.
 

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No they shouldn’t. False argument.

Anyone suggesting trading Carlo is doing so with the idea that it makes the overall team better as a result. Has nothing to do with Andrew Peeke.

Unless you’re seeing a bunch of proposals of Carlo for futures?
I don’t think it’s a false argument and it has plenty to do with Peeke. When assessing any value in return for a potential Carlo deal you need to factor in the player’s replacement.

If you weaken your defense to improve your offense, have you really improved overall? That’s with the assumption you are trading for a forward.

Let’s say it’s futures, those are great and could be used to flip, but you’ve moved a player to add maybes down the road. If I’m doing that I do it with an expiring contract like Frederic, not Carlo’s. Just my two cents
 
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I know Andrew Peeke has his fans but I would not in any way feel comfortable with him playing 2RD minutes.

I think if the Bruins want to get Pettersson in a Bruins uniform Lohrei will very likely have to go the other way as the main piece. Vancouver badly needs a puck mover.
 

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I know Andrew Peeke has his fans but I would not in any way feel comfortable with him playing 2RD minutes.

I think if the Bruins want to get Pettersson in a Bruins uniform Lohrei will very likely have to go the other way as the main piece. Vancouver badly needs a puck mover.
Good call. It's rumored that the Cancuks are interested in Noah Dobson, so Lohrei can very well be more of a target than say Carlo if the Canucks are looking for a puck-moving defenseman.
 

Mr. Make-Believe

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I don’t think it’s a false argument and it has plenty to do with Peeke. When assessing any value in return for a potential Carlo deal you need to factor in the player’s replacement.

If you weaken your defense to improve your offense, have you really improved overall? That’s with the assumption you are trading for a forward.

Let’s say it’s futures, those are great and could be used to flip, but you’ve moved a player to add maybes down the road. If I’m doing that I do it with an expiring contract like Frederic, not Carlo’s. Just my two cents
Saying “if you weaken your defense to improve your offense, have you really improved”? That’s a valid point of conversation. I support that line of thinking. I could offer (for example) how would the PK be affected with Carlo gone? Would they go from worst in the league, to… what? Worst in the league?

But if you say “explain to me how Peeke is going to flourish in a top four role”, that’s bogus. You don’t know how the roles will be divvied, if another move is made, if there is a “fit” with someone unexpected, etc. It’s not one-for-one. It’s a strawman to use as a punching bag to mic drop an argument.

Let’s say a trade for JT Miller. Carlo and Coyle off of the everyday roster. What I would want to follow is a Frederic trade for depth RD with a small cap hit, but one who can skate with the puck and make a pass out of his own zone. I think the overall structure of the blueline COULD improve with one fewer guy who handles the puck like his stick is a giant Twizzler.

Now we could argue that… We may come up on opposite ends (I suspect we would) and have our own perspectives and that could be a good conversation. But it would have nothing to do with the idea that Peeke would flourish in a top four role.
 

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If there is a chance the Boston Bruins can get one of Miller or EP40 at the cost of any of the names mentioned above you do it.

Top line C do not come available (as we've seen even with signing a 2nd line Lindholm, who has played alongside both of them).

Lohrei, Carlo, Coyle, Frederic, Lysell, Merkulov, Poitras, 1st? All on the table in some combination if you can get your 1st line C locked up for as long as Pastrnak is locked up.

Pastrnak is signed until 2031 and Miller is 2030 while EP40 is 2032. Sweeney can become a hero here if the core below comes to fruition regardless of the cost of losing a combination of the above.

This team is simply better now and in the next half decade if this is the core:

Zacha - EP40/Miller - Pastrnak
Marchand - Lindholm - XXX

Zadorov - McAvoy
Lindholm - XXX

Swayman
Korpisalo


That is a playoff team annually with room to add to the bottom six and retain the guys who prove (like Kastelic) that they want to be here.

The Bruins faithful would possibly be as loud as Vancouver fans shouting:

Announcer: 'Bruins goal score by number 19...'
Bruins Faithful: 'J...T...MILLER!'
 

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If there is a chance the Boston Bruins can get one of Miller or EP40 at the cost of any of the names mentioned above you do it.

Top line C do not come available (as we've seen even with signing a 2nd line Lindholm, who has played alongside both of them).

Lohrei, Carlo, Coyle, Frederic, Lysell, Merkulov, Poitras, 1st? All on the table in some combination if you can get your 1st line C locked up for as long as Pastrnak is locked up.

Pastrnak is signed until 2031 and Miller is 2030 while EP40 is 2032. Sweeney can become a hero here if the core below comes to fruition regardless of the cost of losing a combination of the above.

This team is simply better now and in the next half decade if this is the core:

Zacha - EP40/Miller - Pastrnak
Marchand - Lindholm - XXX

Zadorov - McAvoy
Lindholm - XXX

Swayman
Korpisalo


That is a playoff team annually with room to add to the bottom six and retain the guys who prove (like Kastelic) that they want to be here.

The Bruins faithful would possibly be as loud as Vancouver fans shouting:

Announcer: 'Bruins goal score by number 19...'
Bruins Faithful: 'J...T...MILLER!'
Personally I have ZERO interest in EP40. One of the softest players in the NHL, talent or not we have to many guys that are easy to play against.

I would love Miller, totally different animal and would instantly turn the Bruins into a contender if we add another guy that understands the goal is to put the puck in the net not skate around like we are playing keep away.
 

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Brazeau and Geekie are on pace to score ~20 goals. What player in the NHL is making less than $2m after he scored 20 goals and is in the prime of his career?

Frederic is a UFA. Everyone gets a raise when they hit UFA. Someone will look at his body of work and pay him. His agent knows this which is why he hasn't been signed.
I agree with all of this. As for Frederic he does not deserve much of a raise maybe small one from 2.3 to 2.5, not giving anything significant to him, actually if they can trade him for a player similar age or draft pick, that would be even better. At the TDL teams get silly and start trading away picks like they are candy, would not surprise me if a team offered a mid to late 1st for him.
 

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Agree the honor of slowest player in the league goes to Patrick Maroon.

Speaking of Pat, he scored a goal last night, set up by Ryan Donato.

Carlo
Frederic
Lysell
2nd

Miller 25% retained

Vancouver would take this and run

The 2nd would become a first if Miller wasn’t such a cancer in the room

Bruins don't have a 2nd this year.
 
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Saying “if you weaken your defense to improve your offense, have you really improved”? That’s a valid point of conversation. I support that line of thinking. I could offer (for example) how would the PK be affected with Carlo gone? Would they go from worst in the league, to… what? Worst in the league?

But if you say “explain to me how Peeke is going to flourish in a top four role”, that’s bogus. You don’t know how the roles will be divvied, if another move is made, if there is a “fit” with someone unexpected, etc. It’s not one-for-one. It’s a strawman to use as a punching bag to mic drop an argument.

Let’s say a trade for JT Miller. Carlo and Coyle off of the everyday roster. What I would want to follow is a Frederic trade for depth RD with a small cap hit, but one who can skate with the puck and make a pass out of his own zone. I think the overall structure of the blueline COULD improve with one fewer guy who handles the puck like his stick is a giant Twizzler.

Now we could argue that… We may come up on opposite ends (I suspect we would) and have our own perspectives and that could be a good conversation. But it would have nothing to do with the idea that Peeke would flourish in a top four role.
I don’t think it’s overly hypothetical to say that Peeke would have to replace Carlo in his role if Carlo was traded.

I will grant that I was a bit off base with the “flourish” portion of the comment, but it comes from a constant annoyance in seeing guys thrown in deals without the consequence of a replacement.

I think you should always try to deal from a position of strength. I don’t believe RD is a position or organizational strength beyond one and two.

I respect what you are saying. I just don’t think you can properly evaluate the value of a trade when dealing a player off your roster without consideration towards who fills their role.

In the instance of Carlo, as presently built, that player is Peeke.
 

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The Bruins have opened the new year with a bang, provided their solemn resolution was to go lean in 2025.

They jump-started their dieting ways on Dec. 31, putting a lone puck in the net in Washington. A little more than 48 hours later, the mirror already showing the effects of their slimming down, they again fasted around one goal across 60 minutes at Madison Square Garden.

Two games. Two goals. Two losses. Four points dropped between D.C. and NYC. What we have here, as the Bruins reach the midpoint of their 82-game schedule Saturday night in Toronto, appears to be a team intent on starving its way into the playoffs on a single serving of 6 ounces of vulcanized rubber. Their Awaken-One-Goal diet, as frustrating as it is nonfattening, as of Friday morning left them standing with 103 goals for the season — more than only Chicago (96), Anaheim (95), and Nashville (91).

In other words, the Black and Gold are going nowhere fast with this fast, unless interim coach Joe Sacco and staff can wring more juice out of the existing offensive pulp, or if Don Sweeney and Cam Neely, the corner office chief chefs, can fatten up the offense with a roster move or two, or more.

At this hour, with one coach canned and a power play all but encased in cement, it’s more a mess for Sweeney and Neely to clean up. The parts are the parts, their parts, and the parts have proven unfit, with a half-season’s poor results as proof.

Where from here?

The obvious place to begin is AHL Providence and the call-up/return of Matt Poitras. The varsity lineup needs the 20-year-old center’s IQ, hands, and sense for the net.

Leaving Poitras with the WannaB’s, to build his game, frame, and confidence, is now a luxury that Neely and Sweeney cannot afford, even with the Eastern Conference shelves stocked with enough tomato cans offering a pathway to the playoffs.

Poitras, 8-10–18 in 19 games since his Nov. 11 assignment to Providence, wouldn’t be the single ingredient to trigger a goal rush. However, he has shown some finish around the net since joining the JV, contrary to the stony hands that Thursday night fired 77 shot attempts at Rangers goaltender Jonathan Quick, landed fewer than half (33) on net, and in the end had only an Elias Lindholm goal to show for it.

Poitras has a top-six skill set and can play center and wing. Lindholm finally is beginning to produce after a near flatline opening quarter of the season, but there’s still plenty of room for “Potsy” to try his hand at No. 2 pivot or maybe No. 3, where it’s possible he’d find a fit with newcomer Oliver Wahlstrom at right wing.

Wahlstrom, called back into the lineup Thursday, showed a couple of encouraging flashes. He remains a long shot to get his game and career grounded here. Pairing him with a young, eager Poitras for, say, 3-5 games would offer a place to start. For a team averaging a scant 2.58 goals per game, the risk is zero.

As for trades, the two most obvious candidates to go are Trent Frederic and Charlie Coyle, and perhaps goalie Joonas Korpisalo, whose price tag ($3 million) as a backup has made him vulnerable to a trade from the moment Jeremy Swayman finally signed on the dotted line for $8.25 million the next eight years.

Korpisalo is among the very few on the roster to play to his value this season, but every nickel counts on Causeway Street, especially in a hard-cap world.

Frederic’s game is many steps beyond the “fighting it” stage. The 6-foot-3-inch center/wing has but 5-6–11 to show for the season and lately looks lost in space, all 200 feet of it. His production represents about a 50 percent drop from his encouraging career high of 18-22–40 last season.


The honest, gregarious, well-liked Frederic is a great guy to have on a team, but his production has vanished — he’s pointless, with eight shots on net, the last 11 games. He also can walk as an unrestricted free agent on July 1. He’d be a guy for the Bruins to keep if they were seriously in the Cup hunt. That’s not where they are, which leaves his value higher as a trade prospect than a roster part positioned for the thick of an April-May-June run up Mount Stanley.

Coyle, best when he captains the bottom six as No. 3 center, currently is employed as a top-six winger. Hmm. Circumstances dictate change, fine, though in Coyle’s case that literally has meant moving him out of a position where he can best succeed.

Coyle’s contract (one more season, $5.25 million cap hit) allows him to limit the number of prospective trade partners. If Sweeney can find a deal, the target would be the obvious: someone with a penchant for putting pucks in the net, particularly on the power play. Potential names: the Rangers’ Chris Kreider and Anaheim’s Frank “The Springfield Rifle Redux” Vatrano.

Reminder: The trade deadline is March 7, a little more than 60 days from now. Technically, there is time to make a fix.

If the Awaken-One-Goal diet doesn’t kill them first.
 

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A lot of rumors out of Vancouver saying that there's a rift between Miller and Pettersson, and the GM has called out Pettersson recently for a lack of production. I think from the Bruins, if they aren't moving McAvoy, I think Poitras + Carlo as a base would probably be an attractive package. It gives them their young center and a much needed RD. I'm not too familiar with Vancouver's prospect pool to know who Sweeney could potentially be scouting, but in a hypothetical trade involving Carlo, an NHL-ready defenseman will have to be coming back in the deal.

In the end, I do think other teams will be able to outbid the Bruins.
I was always interested in Petterson, and I know the contract is large, but what scares me most just seems like too much drama around this kid. Must say though very productive, but what will he be like long term, when things are noy always going great.
 
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I like pasta so much that I would much rather see him succeed somewhere else where his talent can be more consistently exploited every night and hopefully come away with a cup or two than to have him be mediocre’d into oblivion in Boston

Throw in assets for the future that we will desperately need and it’s win win

Time to stop pretending
 
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