Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread X

[Blowfish]

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Conclusions

1. We basically dislike to hate everyone on team but Marchand but we are also trading him in several lists for future rebuild

2. Sweeney can’t trade, draft, or sign FA and if you point out his record best over 10 years we get he inherited team

3. We aren’t good enough to win - blow it up

4. For every player likes (zaderov for example) there are five critical of his game, brain, contract

5. Carlo & Frederic are hated - appearance brought up and both soft

6. A couple of posters show up everyday with the same issue - it’s either the primary or secondary of every post

7. Neely is somehow stupid even though he wants a tough team, openly questioned Monty going rouge & Sway demands (all correct)

I missing anything ?

In addition to the above recurring brilliant posts add

8. Coyle is overpaid and part of an entitled group of players.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You can ignore my posts, I will not be offended,.

No way.

Your posts are a part of the HF Bruins experience!

 

[DKH]

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Last year was the first time in his career he played 70+ games. I’m sure that wasn’t the anomaly.

Now you did it - please try to be nice like me

I was out with a group of friends at the Boston Tavern in Norwood a couple days ago and was asked if I have any New Year resolutions

I said to be a nicer person, which she immediately rebuffed, “you are already nice and a great guy”.

Well, I could only say ‘true’ if I am honest and suspend my humbleness…..but since we had just been talking about the Bruins I realized I could be nicer to Don Sweeney.

Lately I’ve been critical of his Monty hiring over Joe Sacco - but understood he wanted to go outside and although Carbery was a Prov assistant coach hired by Sweeney - he didn’t want to take the gamble and put a newbie with that loaded team

I get it but Monty screwed him in the biggest moments and his attitude this season cost the team early on as they play catchup

Also I’ve been critical listening to his scouts on the clock and moving off plan (Robert Thomas if Brunstrum gone - he was) and taking Vaak

Also he should have banged the table himself in 2015 and told Keith Gretzky “you gotta take Kyle Connor here”

2025 Year of the Don

8. Coyle is overpaid and part of an entitled group of players.

They all are

You guys hate everyone (he’s kind of in the everyone)

Each poster might have a Binkie but minimum 5 guys they dislike or hate

I’m aware Coyle is one of your many guys

 

[Fenian24]

Coyle and Carlo should be moved before Frederic. Clears out almost 10m in cap space for next season

 

[DKH]

Not his fault, but his contract has hamstrung this team cap wise, I guess you are right, I should bring up Sweeneys name more for that contract.

He’s not making 8 M

Here is HF in a nutshell

Neely says 64 M reasons when it was reported later that’s what Charlie Jacobs authorized/ and Sweeney was trying to get it at 62.5 so he could squeeze Heinen in

social media and here (are we considered social media I’m not even sure what is or isn’t - I was - kid in the era 3 TV stations, Willie Whistle, Elvira, and Tom Larson) went crazy

“Neely must be fired” for saying 64 M reasons

BWAHAHAHAH

So you rounding up to 8 and calling him a 3C is an embarrassment in my eyes but I get it - you young people like to sensationalize

Anyways - off to gym with my buddies for 90 minutes of Mayo sucks, patriots need to lose, Red Sox are cheap, Bruins who knows - but it will be negative (I love my friends though)

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I wish they got chychurn. Exactly the player this team needs

Would have been nice.

His injury history made him a real risk of an acquisition.

Cost the Sens a lot of picks they could have used.

But looks like a steal for the Caps. Though he's a UFA and the Capitals are in cap hell at the moment.

 

[DKH]

Yes - Blades the Bruin is basically Guy Carbonneau in Bruins drag!

The 22-23 season they start in Washington and the Bruins have a season ticket holder viewing party at Banners.

Blades is there and I’m with a group of friends and I’m over at another table and my daughter comes over because she knows these folks - and I say where is Jay (one of our friends) and she says casually, ‘oh he’s talking to Blades’….say what

I went back to our table about 5 minutes later and they are still having a conversation. Spoiler Alert : I ask him you know Blades and as @Ladyfan would knows ‘of course he does’

 

[Hookslide]

He’s not making 8 M

Here is HF in a nutshell

Neely says 64 M reasons when it was reported later that’s what Charlie Jacobs authorized/ and Sweeney was trying to get it at 62.5 so he could squeeze Heinen in

social media and here (are we considered social media I’m not even sure what is or isn’t - I was - kid in the era 3 TV stations, Willie Whistle, Elvira, and Tom Larson) went crazy

“Neely must be fired” for saying 64 M reasons

BWAHAHAHAH

So you rounding up to 8 and calling him a 3C is an embarrassment in my eyes but I get it - you young people like to sensationalize

Anyways - off to gym with my buddies for 90 minutes of Mayo sucks, patriots need to lose, Red Sox are cheap, Bruins who knows - but it will be negative (I love my friends though)

First off son, I would bet dollars to donuts, that you are much younger than me. I am sorry for not stating the exact number on, you know who's contract, but it still does not change the fact his contract sucks, and Swayman, many wanted him signed, and understandably so, but I said it at the time you still need players in front of him, but now Sweeney is in cap hell, and cannot do much to help this team. 16 mil for Swayman and Lindholm is crippling this team.

 

[TP70BruinsCup]

Chris Kreider anyone? Anyone? Hello? Is this thing on?

What would it cost us to get him? I have no idea what the Rangers would want but they are going to unload him for sure with how their year is going

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Would have been nice.

His injury history made him a real risk of an acquisition.

Cost the Sens a lot of picks they could have used.

But looks like a steal for the Caps. Though he's a UFA and the Capitals are in cap hell at the moment.

Pretty sure he was call a bum many times on this board when he was available. Hopefully Mason can be him some day.

 

[PB37]

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Pretty sure he was call a bum many times on this board when he was available. Hopefully Mason can be him some day.

That sounds familiar.

He was a young defenseman playing on a bad team (Coyotes), making a lot of defensive mistakes.

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

Allvin basically called Pettersson immature in his latest press conference and said a trade may be on the table.

Whatever team lands this guy (or if he stays in Van) wins. He’s a bonafide stud even at his price tag.

Sweens needs to do a full court press to land him. IDK if we can make it work but man he would fix so much for this team.

 

[Number8]

Does Charlie Coyle + Lysell + 2026 first pick allows Bs to get JT Miller and some retain (25%)?

Are you purposely trying to get me to lose my mind???

We have virtually nothing for a prospect pool and yet you want to trade a first round pick and one of our only possible prospects (and a debatable one at that right now) for a 31 year old player.

Excuse me while I go slam my fingers in a door hinge.

f*** me.......

 

[TCB]

Allvin basically called Pettersson immature in his latest press conference and said a trade may be on the table.

Whatever team lands this guy (or if he stays in Van) wins. He’s a bonafide stud even at his price tag.

Sweens needs to do a full court press to land him. IDK if we can make it work but man he would fix so much for this team.

It seems like its just a matter of time. A year ago there was reports that he was almost traded to Carolina, before he signed his extension. The relationship seems like its a little more than damaged, but dam he's one hell of a hockey player. I think it would be a huge mistake for the Canucks to move him but if they do, Love to see him in a Bruin Sweater.

 

[Dr Hook]

Allvin basically called Pettersson immature in his latest press conference and said a trade may be on the table.

Whatever team lands this guy (or if he stays in Van) wins. He’s a bonafide stud even at his price tag.

Sweens needs to do a full court press to land him. IDK if we can make it work but man he would fix so much for this team.

It's really hard to see how this can work as much as I love the idea. Bruins would need to find $10.5m in cap space to fit him in right now. Where does that come from? I'm sure Pasta, Swayman, and McAvoy are not on the table. Can we get to $10.5m without them AND have it be made up of players that Vancouver (or someone else) would want? The futures cupboard is a bit bare, too. Man, I love the idea of making this deal, but I don't think it's realistic at the moment.

 

[Blowfish]

Now you did it - please try to be nice like me

I was out with a group of friends at the Boston Tavern in Norwood a couple days ago and was asked if I have any New Year resolutions

I said to be a nicer person, which she immediately rebuffed, “you are already nice and a great guy”.

Well, I could only say ‘true’ if I am honest and suspend my humbleness…..but since we had just been talking about the Bruins I realized I could be nicer to Don Sweeney.

Lately I’ve been critical of his Monty hiring over Joe Sacco - but understood he wanted to go outside and although Carbery was a Prov assistant coach hired by Sweeney - he didn’t want to take the gamble and put a newbie with that loaded team

I get it but Monty screwed him in the biggest moments and his attitude this season cost the team early on as they play catchup

Also I’ve been critical listening to his scouts on the clock and moving off plan (Robert Thomas if Brunstrum gone - he was) and taking Vaak

Also he should have banged the table himself in 2015 and told Keith Gretzky “you gotta take Kyle Connor here”

2025 Year of the Don


They all are

You guys hate everyone (he’s kind of in the everyone)

Each poster might have a Binkie but minimum 5 guys they dislike or hate

I’m aware Coyle is one of your many guys

DK, I was adding to the stupid comments that are posted in here. The Coyle comments are my biggest pet peeve. He’s a player I love to watch and want to see retained. Hardest working player next to Marchand.

 

[the negotiator]

It's really hard to see how this can work as much as I love the idea. Bruins would need to find $10.5m in cap space to fit him in right now. Where does that come from? I'm sure Pasta, Swayman, and McAvoy are not on the table. Can we get to $10.5m without them AND have it be made up of players that Vancouver (or someone else) would want? The futures cupboard is a bit bare, too. Man, I love the idea of making this deal, but I don't think it's realistic at the moment.

A quick look at puckpedia suggests the likelihood of a trade is pretty low

Pettersson Is at $11.6m.....a cap-neutral deal would require Coyle (5.25), Frederick (2.3) and Carlo (4.1)

assuming Vancouver would accept this package and putting the various no moves and no-trades aside ...I don't see DS sending this much out for one player even though it would finally be the Bs who are getting the stallion for three ponies

 

[JoeIsAStud]

It's really hard to see how this can work as much as I love the idea. Bruins would need to find $10.5m in cap space to fit him in right now. Where does that come from? I'm sure Pasta, Swayman, and McAvoy are not on the table. Can we get to $10.5m without them AND have it be made up of players that Vancouver (or someone else) would want? The futures cupboard is a bit bare, too. Man, I love the idea of making this deal, but I don't think it's realistic at the moment.

I guess the real question would be would Vancouver want Elias back, and would Elias be willing to go. Obviously more money would be involved (maybe Carlo), but that would seem like how any deal would have to begin.

 

[BruinDust]

It's really hard to see how this can work as much as I love the idea. Bruins would need to find $10.5m in cap space to fit him in right now. Where does that come from? I'm sure Pasta, Swayman, and McAvoy are not on the table. Can we get to $10.5m without them AND have it be made up of players that Vancouver (or someone else) would want? The futures cupboard is a bit bare, too. Man, I love the idea of making this deal, but I don't think it's realistic at the moment.

If Pettersen is available, this is why you don't go all-in on secondary pieces over the summer and leave yourself no room to capitalize when a potential elite player shakes loose when it's clear what your team really needs is another elite player.

 

[Dr Hook]

A quick look at puckpedia suggests the likelihood of a trade is pretty low

Pettersson Is at $11.6m.....a cap-neutral deal would require Coyle (5.25), Frederick (2.3) and Carlo (4.1)

assuming Vancouver would accept this package and putting the various no moves and no-trades aside ...I don't see DS sending this much out for one player even though it would finally be the Bs who are getting the stallion for three ponies

I don't see it either. I guess Pasta for Petersson would be the move, but I don't see that either from the Bruins.

I guess the real question would be would Vancouver want Elias back, and would Elias be willing to go. Obviously more money would be involved (maybe Carlo), but that would seem like how any deal would have to begin.

I didn't include him because I think the likelihood of EL getting traded away in his first season after signing a big FA deal to come here (not to mention the full NMC) is pretty remote.

If Pettersen is available, this is why you don't go all-in on secondary pieces over the summer and leave yourself no room to capitalize when a potential elite player shakes loose when it's clear what your team really needs is another elite player.

If he was rumored to be available then, then no. But it is hard for me to fault a GM for not keeping back ~$10m in cap space in the slender hope that a franchise type player becomes available.

 

[BruinDust]

If he was rumored to be available then, then no. But it is hard for me to fault a GM for not keeping back ~$10m in cap space in the slender hope that a franchise type player becomes available.

Doesn't matter if he's rumoured to be available or not. And you don't need to leave a full 10 million in cap space. But the Bruins are so close against the cap they can't even get in on the conversation for this player and have very little wiggle room to create cap space.

Goes back to what I said this summer. If you wanted to signed Lindholm, trade Coyle coming off his 60 pt. season. Now you have some space to work with. Bruins desperately needed an elite forward in his prime, not a couple of two-way forwards in their early 30s.

 

[Hookslide]

I don't see it either. I guess Pasta for Petersson would be the move, but I don't see that either from the Bruins.


I didn't include him because I think the likelihood of EL getting traded away in his first season after signing a big FA deal to come here (not to mention the full NMC) is pretty remote.



If he was rumored to be available then, then no. But it is hard for me to fault a GM for not keeping back ~$10m in cap space in the slender hope that a franchise type player becomes available.

He did not need to keep 10 mil available, but he is so short cap wise that he does not have enough for a backup Zamboni driver.

 

[wintersej]

He makes $11.6m. Let's say they can swing it this year at the deadline and deal Carlo and Frederic as part of the return.

For next year that leaves them around $12m to sign:

• 9 more Fs (let's say Marchand on the Bergeron type bargain, Koepke, Brazeau, Beecher and maybe Geekie)
• Lohrei and 1 other D

Unless Swayman, Pasta or McAvoy is going I don't see how it's possible.

Just to break it down more. God I f***ing miss capfriendly.

D and G are pretty straight forward. Lorhei doesn't have arbitration rights so there is a short bridge chance there if needed. And the other D is going to be #7D contract.

The forward group has a chance to be blown the f*** up.

Before any trade you have 29m dedicated to Pasta, E Lindholm, Zacha and Coyle.

Poitras and Lysell each at ~870k.

Beecher is RFA with has no arbitration rights. Kastelic and Geekie both do have arbitration rights. Kastelic doesn't have a lot of arbitration friendly numbers. Geekie can make a case for a raise. Let’s say 5.5m for those three.

You figure the 12th and 13th forwards will be from Jones, Viel, Duran, Kuntar, etc, along with some vet minimum types. Lets give those two spots each a 950k cost.

Let's say Marchand gets a 1 year 3 million dollar deal with 3 million in bonuses that can toll over. The bonuses don't have to toll over if the Bruins don't use the space.

Frederic, Koepke, Brazeau as UFAs expected to not be back for these purposes.

Geekie Zacha Pasta
Marchand Lindholm Poitras
??? Coyle Lysell
Beecher Kastelic Cheap
Cheap

Zadorov McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Lorhei Peeke
Cheap

Swayman
Korpisalo


12/13 forwards: ~42m
6/7 defense: ~29.5m
2/2 goalies: 11.25m

The cap for next year should be between 92m and 97m with Lorhei and a forward to sign. Leaves a pretty big spread of having 9m to 14m. They could also decide to go longer term with Geekie or Lorhei or Kastelic which would eat into the space more.

So yeah, you might be right that you need to send out a massive contract. Or not. Hard to say right now without knowing what the cap is gonna be.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Doesn't matter if he's rumoured to be available or not. And you don't need to leave a full 10 million in cap space. But the Bruins are so close against the cap they can't even get in on the conversation for this player and have very little wiggle room to create cap space.

Goes back to what I said this summer. If you wanted to signed Lindholm, trade Coyle coming off his 60 pt. season. Now you have some space to work with. Bruins desperately needed an elite forward in his prime, not a couple of two-way forwards in their early 30s.

Moot point though - Bruins don’t have the assets to acquire one like this. They get beat by most anyone.