Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread X

[BruinDust]

Fair enough.

I would only add that the Bruins acquired Jason Allison & Anson Carter for Adam Oates under Michael O'Connell's watch.

Decent return for a Hall of Fame center, certainly one of the greatest I have ever seen. What a treat it was to enjoy Adam's brilliant playmaking.

However, lest one forget, that deal was engineered in haste because Oates, fed up with teams constructed out of chewing gum and bailing wire (Why? Three guesses and two don't count), shot himself out of town after OC's ill considered locker room dressing down following an ugly loss. Look it up.

It's worth noting as well that Jason Allison more or less did the same thing by refusing to negotiate or speak to the media, eventually forcing a trade himself.

Sounds like a pattern, no?

In the wake of the Thornton trade to San Jose (where Joe went on to win league MVP that very season), O'Connell disparaged his former captain, musing that perhaps things didn't work out in Boston because, "Maybe I didn't kiss his ass enough." These remarks appeared in Barstool Sports at the time.

It goes without saying that Mike O'Connell was Harry's hand chosen successor as General Manager of the Boston Bruins upon his full-time ascension to team President.

This after Mike Milbury, Harry's initial choice, bolted to BC, leaving Sinden with an embarrassing load of egg on his face.

For once, the guy used to doing the screwing got screwed himself.

Poetic justice.

So, you say potato, I say patata.

I trust we can disagree without being disagreeable,

The fact that Harry Sinden felt strongly about a couple of pigs like Mike Milbury and Mike O'Connell's potential as NHL GMs, says a lot. Arguably two of the worst GMs of their generation. Neither ever worked anywhere as GMs after their initial tenures. Neither did Sinden if we are being factually correct.

 

[GordonHowe]

Brad Park, might be one of the most underrated hockey players of all time, thank you Bobby Orr. Jean Ratelle was one of my favorite players, but he was also 2 years older than the "aging ' Espo . Middleton was a great player that deserves to in the hall before any other player, disgusting the way he has been treated. Harry got Lucky with the Hodge Middleton trade, but was wise enough to take advantage, Hodge was slipping no doubt, but the Rangers felt that if he was back playing with Espo, he could turn it around. People also forget that the Rangers, were ready to move on from Middleton at the time because he also was not living up to his talent, but was much younger than Hodge, what should be remembered that the coach at the time was Don Cherry and he had a great influence on making Middleton the player he turned out to be.

Yes, and I think Rick may have been having a little too much fun in Fun City at the time.

Great trade, clearly. Harry at his best.

Espo for Brad Park and Jean Ratelle remains Sinden's master stroke, even if the Bruins repeatedly came up short relative to the ultimate prize thereafter.

To me, his last great deal was Neely for Pederson.

 

[Alan Ryan]

I don't know. Beecher has been uninspired for weeks now. McLaughlin plays harder more consistently and is more desperate around the net.

Either way, I'd sit Wally and put Kastelic on the 3rd line tomorrow night.

Frederic-Kastelic-Brazeau
Koepke-Beecher-McLaughlin

They're into the gauntlet of their schedule now. No time for passengers.

Good bottom 6 Bill.

 

[GordonHowe]

If Trent Frederick didn’t have the “reputation” of being an edgy power forward candidate he’d have remarkably little value.

If Sweeney hold onto him as a rental without knowing for sure he’ll sign before UFA at a reasonable amount then a Harvard diploma isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.

There have been no contract discussions as far as I have heard.

Given the value he apparently has around the league, it is almost a certain Frederic will be dealt.

Again, I would package him with another roster player, I don't know who, and if Lysell cannot bring the kind of *consistent,* game in and game out, ghost free effort he demonstrated against Columbus, I would add him to the bundle and see what I could get.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

@MarchysNoseKnows didn’t think to tell me about the insane utility and dps of the college of swords bard build

I literally sent you links to that build. There’s three that are OP. I’m on a break now though - playing NHL25 Ultimate Team as always

 

[NeelyDan]

I literally sent you links to that build. There’s three that are OP. I’m on a break now though - playing NHL25 Ultimate Team as always

I was kidding haha

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Yes, and I think Rick may have been having a little too much fun in Fun City at the time.

Great trade, clearly. Harry at his best.

Espo for Brad Park and Jean Ratelle remains Sinden's master stroke, even if the Bruins repeatedly came up short relative to the ultimate prize thereafter.

To me, his last great deal was Neely for Pederson.

It was Esposito\Vadnais for Park\Ratelle. Center for Center and D for D.

 

[Absurdity]

You know you could have just as easily gone glass half full here Scrooge

Can't be positive on these boards NeelyDan

 

[GordonHowe]

The fact that Harry Sinden felt strongly about a couple of pigs like Mike Milbury and Mike O'Connell's potential as NHL GMs, says a lot. Arguably two of the worst GMs of their generation. Neither ever worked anywhere as GMs after their initial tenures. Neither did Sinden if we are being factually correct.

I don't believe Mike Millbury is a pig.

I like Mike and I always will, despite his disastrous tenure on the island. He was a very good coach and I enjoy his commentary.

Millbury has gone on record as saying that then owner NYI Charles Wong, who I believe was convicted of financial impropriety, laughed at him when he warned that trading Zdeno Chara to Ottawa would prove unwise.

Another poster mentioned some time ago that he ran into Mike at a bar in Buffalo, of all places.

The poster ranted about Mr. Burns and his miserly ways. Millbury responded that essentially, Jacobs, while of course watching every penny, gave the managing keys to Sinden to do with as he pleased.

And Harry did.

It was his call to conduct himself the way he did.

Having won his hard cap, it must be said that the old man has spent to its limit ever since.

For this he deserves credit. He also deserves credit for placing Charlie in charge of the GM search after Sinden and O'Connell were at last kicked to the curb.

Charlie initially wanted Ray Shiro, Fred's son, if you recall.

Eventually, he hired then Ottawa Assistant General Manager Peter Chiarelli *from outside the organization, for once*, who brought Claude Julien aboard in year two of his time in Boston.

Z and Marc Savard were signed in the interregnum between regimes. Doubtless Jeff Gorton has a twinkle in his eye when relating the tale of those developments.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Brad Park, might be one of the most underrated hockey players of all time, thank you Bobby Orr. Jean Ratelle was one of my favorite players, but he was also 2 years older than the "aging ' Espo . Middleton was a great player that deserves to in the hall before any other player, disgusting the way he has been treated. Harry got Lucky with the Hodge Middleton trade, but was wise enough to take advantage, Hodge was slipping no doubt, but the Rangers felt that if he was back playing with Espo, he could turn it around. People also forget that the Rangers, were ready to move on from Middleton at the time because he also was not living up to his talent, but was much younger than Hodge, what should be remembered that the coach at the time was Don Cherry and he had a great influence on making Middleton the player he turned out to be.

Ratelle may have been 2 years older, but he had more hockey left in the tank than Espo. Both played 6 more seasons with their new teams.

Espo - 422 games 184-220-404 (-116) Playoffs 30 games 11-16-27 (-4)

Ratelle - 419 games 155-295-450 (+128) Playoffs 58 games 23-33-56 (+21)

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

The fact that Harry Sinden felt strongly about a couple of pigs like Mike Milbury and Mike O'Connell's potential as NHL GMs, says a lot. Arguably two of the worst GMs of their generation. Neither ever worked anywhere as GMs after their initial tenures. Neither did Sinden if we are being factually correct.

Milbury was never the Bruins GM, correct?

And why would you refer to him and O'Connell as pigs?

 

[bruins19]

It was Esposito\Vadnais for Park\Ratelle. Center for Center and D for D.

And we also got Joe Zanussi, another d.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Yes, and I think Rick may have been having a little too much fun in Fun City at the time.

Great trade, clearly. Harry at his best.

Espo for Brad Park and Jean Ratelle remains Sinden's master stroke, even if the Bruins repeatedly came up short relative to the ultimate prize thereafter.

To me, his last great deal was Neely for Pederson.

Neely and a first rounder that turned out to be Glen Wesley.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Fair enough.

I would only add that the Bruins acquired Jason Allison & Anson Carter for Adam Oates under Michael O'Connell's watch.

Decent return for a Hall of Fame center, certainly one of the greatest I have ever seen. What a treat it was to enjoy Adam's brilliant playmaking.

However, lest one forget, that deal was engineered in haste because Oates, fed up with teams constructed out of chewing gum and bailing wire (Why? Three guesses and two don't count), shot himself out of town after OC's ill considered locker room dressing down following an ugly loss. Look it up.

It's worth noting as well that Jason Allison more or less did the same thing by refusing to negotiate or speak to the media, eventually forcing a trade himself.

Sounds like a pattern, no?

In the wake of the Thornton trade to San Jose (where Joe went on to win league MVP that very season), O'Connell disparaged his former captain, musing that perhaps things didn't work out in Boston because, "Maybe I didn't kiss his ass enough." These remarks appeared in Barstool Sports at the time.

It goes without saying that Mike O'Connell was Harry's hand chosen successor as General Manager of the Boston Bruins upon his full-time ascension to team President.

This after Mike Milbury, Harry's initial choice, bolted to BC, leaving Sinden with an embarrassing load of egg on his face.

For once, the guy used to doing the screwing got screwed himself.

Poetic justice.

So, you say potato, I say patata.

I trust we can disagree without being disagreeable,

That trade took place in 1997.

O'Connell wasn't GM until 2000.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

And we also got Joe Zanussi, another d.

Zanussi looked great for the Providence Reds at the time of the trade. I thought he would be a key for the Bruins instead of an afterthought. Only played 83 NHL games, 68 with Boston.

 

[Hookslide]

Yes, and I think Rick may have been having a little too much fun in Fun City at the time.

Great trade, clearly. Harry at his best.

Espo for Brad Park and Jean Ratelle remains Sinden's master stroke, even if the Bruins repeatedly came up short relative to the ultimate prize thereafter.

To me, his last great deal was Neely for Pederson.

The reason the Neely, Pederson trade makes Harry look so good, was that Pederson, came up with a tumor in his shoulder, and it drastically effected his career. Pederson was a terrific hockey player until that happened to him.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

The reason the Neely, Pederson trade makes Harry look so good, was that Pederson, came up with a tumor in his shoulder, and it drastically effected his career. Pederson was a terrific hockey player until that happened to him.

That happened when he was still with the Bruins. It was no secret.

If Pederson returned to form when he came back, Sinden never would have traded him.

 

[GordonHowe]

The reason the Neely, Pederson trade makes Harry look so good, was that Pederson, came up with a tumor in his shoulder, and it drastically effected his career. Pederson was a terrific hockey player until that happened to him.

I didn't know that.

I like Barry very much as a commentator, just as I did Rick.

 

[Hookslide]

That happened when he was still with the Bruins. It was no secret.

If Pederson returned to form when he came back, Sinden never would have traded him.

He had 76 points when he came back, he might not have been the same player though yet still productive, but his trade had as much to do with money also.

 

[Gordoff]

How they get Neely?
How they get Middleton?
How they get Gilbert ?

I kinda remember Harry F’n up big time trading Secord, Courtnall, Fergus

Neely they gave up their best F over money who was a better player than Bergeron

Wesley was over money

Gilbert cost them Stanfield and Gilbert was about to sign a contract with WHA unless got dealt to Bruins

Harry made a bundle of sneaky mistakes

Courtnall & Secord were both traded in non hockey moves - complete garbage

1000% Correct! I was shocked by all of the Fergus, Courtnall, Secord moves in particular.
Gilbert was very timely but losing Stanfield kinda hurt.
I always assumed that whenever Sinden traded a young player (like Wesley) it was about the $$.
Harry protected JJ's money like it was his own.

 

[Gordoff]

Memory lapse or just selective ?
Pederson had one good year with the Nucks. Cam became a hall of famer and of course that was the deal that kept giving Wesley was traded for 3 first and on and on....Hodge was all but washed up. Stanfield on the downside as well.
Harry wasn't perfect but way more better trades than not. The Ranford trade I hated and wasn't a fan of the Secord one but at least Harry wasn't afraid to to wheel and deal.

Wasn't Hodge traded for Middleton? Espo wanted to remake that line in NY IIRC but it really never had the same spart without Cashman + they were older by that time.

 

[TCB]

Wasn't Hodge traded for Middleton? Espo wanted to remake that line in NY IIRC but it really never had the same spart without Cashman + they were older by that time.

If I remember right Francis want Cashman but settled for Hodge

 

[Gordoff]

The reason the Neely, Pederson trade makes Harry look so good, was that Pederson, came up with a tumor in his shoulder, and it drastically effected his career. Pederson was a terrific hockey player until that happened to him.

I thought it was a bone mass in his thigh. I could be way off on that. Memory can be a weird thing.

YOU ARE CORRECT:

However, his career would take a turn in the summer of 1984 when he was diagnosed with a benign tumor in his shoulder. He returned for only 22 games in the 1984–85 season, posting 12 points, before a second, more serious surgery had to be performed on the shoulder. This procedure required the removal of part of his shoulder muscle, and forced him to miss the remainder of the season.

 

[TCB]

I thought it was a bone mass in his thigh. I could be way off on that. Memory can be a weird thing.

That was Cam.

Calcification I believe

 

[Knight]

Can we change the thread title to "ye olde roster and ancient banter"?