Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread X

goldenblack

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Zacha was nice but he's far from a star. Sinden brought in the likes of Neely, Middleton and Gillies Gilbert, Peter McNab Jason Allison, Anson Carter when they were very young and they turned into some of the NHLs best in their playing day. Neely, Middleton and Gillies Gilbert were game Changers! Harry just had the knack of knowing when this team needed a change a spark and was able to make an impactful change whether if it was trading for a young Cam Neely or a Ricky Middleton or trading for Veterans in Ratelle,Park, Linesman and Oates. He Traded away players for top 10 picks in Wesley and Grahme, and he was smart enough to cash in on those picks. Probably unfair to expect the same as Sinden was one of the best ever.

Think about how much harder this is to do with a hard cap.

When there was no cap, you could buy a cup in theory. You could pay all the 26-30 year olds earning peek money, and assemble a super squad. And to get them, you traded away kids (some of which would become stars).

But in a cap era, for MOST teams, you need those entry level deals. So teams are far less likely to pull these deals. And functionally they're also hard to pull off, since cap in for cap out often needs to balance.

We can't look back at the 70's to 90's anymore. That's gone.
 

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To those that think Sweeney wouldn't trade Frederic to an eastern conference team, he traded Ullmark to Ottawa..

Who would you rather face Ullmark or Frederic?
To be fair a totally different situation and Circumstances. Ullmark had a no-trade clause in his contract that allowed him to veto a deal to 16 teams and reports had it Linus didn't want to go out west and blocked a deal to go to LA or San Jose, at last years deadline. Tfred has no such protection so Sweeney can have all the 31 GMs on speed dial.
 

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Think about how much harder this is to do with a hard cap.

When there was no cap, you could buy a cup in theory. You could pay all the 26-30 year olds earning peek money, and assemble a super squad. And to get them, you traded away kids (some of which would become stars).

But in a cap era, for MOST teams, you need those entry level deals. So teams are far less likely to pull these deals. And functionally they're also hard to pull off, since cap in for cap out often needs to balance.

We can't look back at the 70's to 90's anymore. That's gone.
Players like Middleton, Neely, Gilbert were young players not making diddle at the time. Harry was just shrewed and had an eye for talent. Sure the Cap makes it harder to make deals but believe me when there wasn't a cap and it wasn't made publicly like it is today, the owners watched the pennies and even more, imo.
 

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Surely doesn’t follow suit with previous pending UFA under Sweeney watch. Imo I don’t see him moving him unless he’s blown away with an offer, no matter if he can get him signed or not by the deadline.He went out and got bigger, meaner and harder to play against with the additions of Zadarov and Kastelic in an attempt to bld a team for the playoffs, so I don’t see him making a counter productive move by moving Frederic whether he’s signed or not and more than likely IMO tfred like Jake, Krug and Big Z before him, will enter the off season not sign to an extension with the Bruins.
If Trent Frederick didn’t have the “reputation” of being an edgy power forward candidate he’d have remarkably little value.

If Sweeney hold onto him as a rental without knowing for sure he’ll sign before UFA at a reasonable amount then a Harvard diploma isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.
 

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Players like Middleton, Neely, Gilbert were young players not making diddle at the time. Harry was just shrewed and had an eye for talent. Sure the Cap makes it harder to make deals but believe me when there wasn't a cap and it wasn't made publicly like it is today, the owners watched the pennies and even more, imo.

You just proved my point. Read my post again.
 
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You just proved my point. Read my post again.
Lol
My point. Harry was able to trade for young players who turned out to be superstars that could fit in a salary cap world,. He new when to trade away a Pederson a Hodge a Stanfield and not to hang on to them, before their value was all but gone or their contract expired. Sure the salary cap makes it difficult and trades are hard in general or at least thats what a GM will tell you when they don't make a deal, but deals are made.
 

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Doubtless someone will have a smart ass answer, but *what are they doing with, or to, Marc McLaughlin?*

The guy scored two goals in three games, I believe. He scored a goal in his very first NHL game.

He's a hard worker and a great teammate by all accounts.

What the f*ck are they thinking?

Why do they engage in this foolishness?

They bring a guy up for a cup of coffee and yank him back down. Then it's yo-yo time.

It's f*cking stupid and I'm tired of it. F*cking Sweeney.

Please to answer: I am certain there is a good reason, or some reason anyway, for this demotion.

What is it?
That's dated Saturday and he played. I think its paper transactions. We'll see today.
 

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This is what I see. Our Goal Differential and up and down play is totally inconsistent with how we look in the standings.

I’m enjoying the ride but praying Donny doesn’t get fooled by the snake oil salesman. Yes, you can make the playoffs and go a heater.

But for the love of god don’t do things like keep Frederick unsigned, trade a pick or two, or otherwise drink the koolaid and think 💭 that we are a legitimate threat.

Steady as she goes and take advantage of a contender who somehow thinks Freddie is their missing piece.
 

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Zacha was nice but he's far from a star. Sinden brought in the likes of Neely, Middleton and Gillies Gilbert, Peter McNab Jason Allison, Anson Carter when they were very young and they turned into some of the NHLs best in their playing day. Neely, Middleton and Gillies Gilbert were game Changers! Harry just had the knack of knowing when this team needed a change a spark and was able to make an impactful change whether if it was trading for a young Cam Neely or a Ricky Middleton or trading for Veterans in Ratelle,Park, Linesman and Oates. He Traded away players for top 10 picks in Wesley and Grahme, and he was smart enough to cash in on those picks. Probably unfair to expect the same as Sinden was one of the best ever.
Yah those days are long gone for any NHL club.
 

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To those that think Sweeney wouldn't trade Frederic to an eastern conference team, he traded Ullmark to Ottawa..

Who would you rather face Ullmark or Frederic?
His hands were tied on that. I'll bet Ottawa was the last team that Sweeney wanted him to go to. DS painted himself into a corner.
Of course I'd rather face Frederic, he's inconsistent 95% of the time.
He isn't a commodity that's going to appreciate, he is what he is. No more, no less.
 
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Zacha was nice but he's far from a star. Sinden brought in the likes of Neely, Middleton and Gillies Gilbert, Peter McNab Jason Allison, Anson Carter when they were very young and they turned into some of the NHLs best in their playing day. Neely, Middleton and Gillies Gilbert were game Changers! Harry just had the knack of knowing when this team needed a change a spark and was able to make an impactful change whether if it was trading for a young Cam Neely or a Ricky Middleton or trading for Veterans in Ratelle,Park, Linesman and Oates. He Traded away players for top 10 picks in Wesley and Grahme, and he was smart enough to cash in on those picks. Probably unfair to expect the same as Sinden was one of the best ever.

All true and due credit.

Adam Oates. Andy Moog. Reggie Lemelin. Dave Poulin. Gary Galley. Brian Propp.

Feel free to add favorites.

Now get out that fine toothed comb and run down the lengthy latter day list of awful free agent signings and Over the Hill Gang garbage heap acquisitions.

Al Iafrate anyone?


Joe Mullen?


Kevin Stevens?


Raymond Bourque for who, exactly?

Yes, Brian Rolston proved valuable. The first round draft selection did not. Let's not forget that Harry took Raymond to arbitration, and that for years, Bourque's salary amounted to a soft cap for every other Bruins player,


One cannot blame Sinden for the lockout fallout fiasco.

Nor did he sign Martin LaPointe for 5 million, receiving basically nothing in return, except Marty's undeniably invaluable tutelage of a young Patrice Bergeron in the ways of becoming a true NHL professional.

Or let Joe Thornton go for nothing, save Marco Sturm. Nor the fact that O'Connell, inexplicably, did not signal Thornton's availability to half the League (to their lasting annoyance).

Let's not skip lightly over Harry's tendency to avoid accountability and deflect blame by hiring and firing coaches like a bodily function.

An oldie but a goodie,


To say nothing of Harry's penurious, Cromag approach to and shabby treatment of players and coaches alike. Look it up. The stories are legion.

Finally, to what ultimate end?

Why, a dead end, of course.

Always - *always* - at least three players away from true contention.

Thank God he's gone.

Good riddance to bad garbage.
 

bbfan419

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Doubtless someone will have a smart ass answer, but *what are they doing with, or to, Marc McLaughlin?*

The guy scored two goals in three games, I believe. He scored a goal in his very first NHL game.

He's a hard worker and a great teammate by all accounts.

What the f*ck are they thinking?

Why do they engage in this foolishness?

They bring a guy up for a cup of coffee and yank him back down. Then it's yo-yo time.

It's f*cking stupid and I'm tired of it. F*cking Sweeney.

Please to answer: I am certain there is a good reason, or some reason anyway, for this demotion.

What is it?
Agree, prefer McLaughlin over Beecher.
 
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goldenblack

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My point. Harry was able to trade for young players who turned out to be superstars that could fit in a salary cap world,. He new when to trade away a Pederson a Hodge a Stanfield and not to hang on to them, before their value was all but gone or their contract expired. Sure the salary cap makes it difficult and trades are hard in general or at least thats what a GM will tell you when they don't make a deal, but deals are made.

Read my post again?
 

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Beecher > McLaughlin
I don't know. Beecher has been uninspired for weeks now. McLaughlin plays harder more consistently and is more desperate around the net.

Either way, I'd sit Wally and put Kastelic on the 3rd line tomorrow night.

Frederic-Kastelic-Brazeau
Koepke-Beecher-McLaughlin

They're into the gauntlet of their schedule now. No time for passengers.
 

Ozzy Osbourne

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Doubtless someone will have a smart ass answer, but *what are they doing with, or to, Marc McLaughlin?*

The guy scored two goals in three games, I believe. He scored a goal in his very first NHL game.

He's a hard worker and a great teammate by all accounts.

What the f*ck are they thinking?

Why do they engage in this foolishness?

They bring a guy up for a cup of coffee and yank him back down. Then it's yo-yo time.

It's f*cking stupid and I'm tired of it. F*cking Sweeney.

Please to answer: I am certain there is a good reason, or some reason anyway, for this demotion.

What is it?
Mr Howe, you are one of my favorite posters. McLaughlin sucks. He’s just a plug in until someone else comes along. I was hoping Wahlstrom was going to play every day, maybe now he will?
 

Dennis Bonvie

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All true and due credit.

Adam Oates. Andy Moog. Reggie Lemelin. Dave Poulin. Gary Galley. Brian Propp.

Feel free to add favorites.

Now get out that fine toothed comb and run down the lengthy latter day list of awful free agent signings and Over the Hill Gang garbage heap acquisitions.

Al Iafrate anyone?


Joe Mullen?


Kevin Stevens?


Raymond Bourque for who, exactly?

Yes, Brian Rolston proved valuable. The first round draft selection did not. Let's not forget that Harry took Raymond to arbitration, and that for years, Bourque's salary amounted to a soft cap for every other Bruins player,


One cannot blame Sinden for the lockout fallout fiasco.

Nor did he sign Martin LaPointe for 5 million, receiving basically nothing in return, except Marty's undeniably invaluable tutelage of a young Patrice Bergeron in the ways of becoming a true NHL professional.

Or let Joe Thornton go for nothing, save Marco Sturm. Nor the fact that O'Connell, inexplicably, did not signal Thornton's availability to half the League (to their lasting annoyance).

Let's not skip lightly over Harry's tendency to avoid accountability and deflect blame by hiring and firing coaches like a bodily function.

An oldie but a goodie,


To say nothing of Harry's penurious, Cromag approach to and shabby treatment of players and coaches alike. Look it up. The stories are legion.

Finally, to what ultimate end?

Why, a dead end, of course.

Always - *always* - at least three players away from true contention.

Thank God he's gone.

Good riddance to bad garbage.

What a terrible take.
 
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DKH

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Players like Middleton, Neely, Gilbert were young players not making diddle at the time. Harry was just shrewed and had an eye for talent. Sure the Cap makes it harder to make deals but believe me when there wasn't a cap and it wasn't made publicly like it is today, the owners watched the pennies and even more, imo.
How they get Neely?
How they get Middleton?
How they get Gilbert ?

I kinda remember Harry F’n up big time trading Secord, Courtnall, Fergus

Neely they gave up their best F over money who was a better player than Bergeron

Wesley was over money

Gilbert cost them Stanfield and Gilbert was about to sign a contract with WHA unless got dealt to Bruins

Harry made a bundle of sneaky mistakes

Courtnall & Secord were both traded in non hockey moves - complete garbage
 
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All true and due credit.

Adam Oates. Andy Moog. Reggie Lemelin. Dave Poulin. Gary Galley. Brian Propp.

Feel free to add favorites.

Now get out that fine toothed comb and run down the lengthy latter day list of awful free agent signings and Over the Hill Gang garbage heap acquisitions.

Al Iafrate anyone?


Joe Mullen?


Kevin Stevens?


Raymond Bourque for who, exactly?

Yes, Brian Rolston proved valuable. The first round draft selection did not. Let's not forget that Harry took Raymond to arbitration, and that for years, Bourque's salary amounted to a soft cap for every other Bruins player,


One cannot blame Sinden for the lockout fallout fiasco.

Nor did he sign Martin LaPointe for 5 million, receiving basically nothing in return, except Marty's undeniably invaluable tutelage of a young Patrice Bergeron in the ways of becoming a true NHL professional.

Or let Joe Thornton go for nothing, save Marco Sturm. Nor the fact that O'Connell, inexplicably, did not signal Thornton's availability to half the League (to their lasting annoyance).

Let's not skip lightly over Harry's tendency to avoid accountability and deflect blame by hiring and firing coaches like a bodily function.

An oldie but a goodie,


To say nothing of Harry's penurious, Cromag approach to and shabby treatment of players and coaches alike. Look it up. The stories are legion.

Finally, to what ultimate end?

Why, a dead end, of course.

Always - *always* - at least three players away from true contention.

Thank God he's gone.

Good riddance to bad garbage.
Way off on most of this in reality

Neely? Unfortunately, he’s the gift that keeps on giving. Similar to the fruit of the month club.
Who he give up and why did he give him up
 

Dennis Bonvie

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How they get Neely?
How they get Middleton?
How they get Gilbert ?

I kinda remember Harry F’n up big time trading Secord, Courtnall, Fergus

Neely they gave up their best F over money who was a better player than Bergeron

Wesley was over money

Gilbert cost them Stanfield and Gilbert was about to sign a contract with WHA unless got dealt to Bruins

Harry made a bundle of sneaky mistakes

Courtnall & Secord were both traded in non hockey moves - complete garbage

I don't think the trading of Secord was a big time screwup, but we've been over that before.

The trading of Middleton for Hodge is an all-time great steal.

Barry Pederson was already damaged goods when Harry traded him for Neely and Wesley.

Getting Park and Ratelle for the aging Espo & Carol Vadnais was huge for the Bruins.
 
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