Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread VIII

[The don godfather]

Come on sac get lindholm with pasta again.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Come on sac get lindholm with pasta again.

Yeah cuz they were f***in' dynamite together

 

[The don godfather]

Yeah cuz they were f***in' dynamite together

Gotta try again. Lindholm is a huge investment and him failing is depressing.

 

[Coach Parker]

I'm heavily in favor of adding Zegras too, but I don't see how they do that right now. That to me, is a deadline deal, when the Bruins have $6m in cap space.

I wonder if Anaheim would like a young prospect or a NHL ready D?

 

[bp14]

I think the club does a fine job breaking in kids. Lohrei, Brazeau, Swayman just in the last 2 years. 3rd line is where everyone integrates kids unless they're difference makers on Day1.

The problem has not been that they don't know how to develop kids it's that they haven't had many kids to develop.

Don't give up on Lysell. He's only 21.

You may end up wrong on Lysell but I love the post. They haven’t done poorly developing kids, fans just get restless.

Their issue is they haven’t drafted enough good ones to develop (due in some part to their success).

 

[Dr Hook]

Are we talking about the Yeti, because decent to good was definitely what he was when he finally came over. 297 points in 597 games is waaaaaaay more than Caron ever achieved

I wasn't the one that brought him up and I agree, he had a decent career. Thought the Bruins should have kept him for what it's worth. I was more thinking about Lars Jonsson. Probably should have pointed out that Soderberg was not a great comparison, though!

 

[Dr Hook]

I think they will get their chance in due time. Neither player had a good training camp. Neither player had a good start to the season in Providence. Lysell has only just started producing. He went 4 games without a point before his last 7. It doesn't help either player to call them up when they're not confident. I also don't think it helps a young player to call them up and drop them into a bad situation, like a team that's floundering.

The Bruins have been desperate to get their game on track. Desperate to get their defensive game, in particular, in order. I can see them saying let's stick with vets until we stop the bleeding defensively, then build our offense from there. (I fully expect to see Lysell before Christmas.)

I also don't really agree with this notion that they're ruining offensive players by teaching them two-way hockey. They didn't do that to Pasta. They haven't done that to Lohrei. I do think they try to help players improve their overall games (offense and defense) while in Providence but that's just development. Fans have to stop thinking about offense and defense like it's one or the other. The best players play both ways; Crosby, McDavid... They all realize at some point that playing good D just means you get the puck back sooner so you can spend more time with the puck (i.e. on offense). That's doubly important when you're not a Connor McDavid level talent (and the guys you mentioned were 3rd line talents at their absolute best).

Maybe it's a delusion I am laboring under- I fully admit that I could be doing just that. I seem to recall lots of coaches comments, most recently Bruce, but I think even Monty, about young guys needing to be harder on pucks and the like. I recall Clode not being a big one for rookies. Pasta I have a hard time with the comparison because his offensive talent is at the elite level. Anyway, I think that two-way hockey thing is great when the team is rolling and has a strong core. Right now, they could use all the offense help they can get and I am less concerned if a kid like Lysell is not hard enough on pucks or doesn't back check the greatest. He'll get there like Pasta has (still not great, but he is miles better than when he started).

That said, you make a good point about stopping the bleeding and getting the ship righted. We'll see. I hope you are right and that they really do have a commitment to young skilled guys that doesn't also require them to be junior Bergerons.

 

[PlayMakers]

I like Poitras, but I'm curious to hear what people think his ceiling is?

I don't see much more than a 15 goal, 35 point guy. I can easily be wrong but I think he's criminally overrated around here. Not saying he can't be a good piece for this team, but I think people need to look a little deeper here with their expectations.

I think he's going to become a two-way 60 point center. He's smart, he's creative, he's elusive, he has vision, he's really good at stealing pucks which leads to transition chances... I think he has a bit of a weird stride, but he's still fast when he turns it on and explosive in his cut backs.

 

[PlayMakers]

I wonder if Anaheim would like a young prospect or a NHL ready D?

Or our 1st round pick.

 

[wintersej]

I like Poitras, but I'm curious to hear what people think his ceiling is?

I don't see much more than a 15 goal, 35 point guy. I can easily be wrong but I think he's criminally overrated around here. Not saying he can't be a good piece for this team, but I think people need to look a little deeper here with their expectations.

If he was Chris Kelly or Marc Savard or anywhere in between I wouldn’t be shocked. I do think that folks assume his floor is higher than it is because he had a quick start so young. But you have to like the iq and the attitude/compete, just a question of if he will be big and/or quick enough to let his qualities shine.

 

[wintersej]

That's fair, but he's by no means a finished product. But as far as forwards, I guess Brazeau , as @PlayMakers pointed out is a good one, but then who? And Brazeau was older and came in with AHL experience which makes him a little different in my mind.


We have Merk and Lysell now that need time and on a scoring challenged team, they should be getting long looks. I just don't care for the general policy of bringing these skill guys like Senyshyn, Steen to some extent, JFK before his concussion, and sticking them on the 4th line and then sending them back because they didn't look good. I do see a deliberate policy of wanting them to have these complete 200 foot games before they get extended time in roles that best suit their skillsets. Maybe I am wrong in that but I know I am not alone in thinking that way.

I think that for the guys that are marginal offensively they, rightly, demand that they can play a full game. They don’t want to pay the rates for Spooners that can score 40 points but give it all back. I think that’s fair. They just haven’t had a lot of Pasta, Lorhei, etc guys where they can outscore warts to try to develop. Maybe how they treat Lysell will prove me wrong.

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

I think that for the guys that are marginal offensively they, rightly, demand that they can play a full game. They don’t want to pay the rates for Spooners that can score 40 points but give it all back. I think that’s fair. They just haven’t had a lot of Pasta, Lorhei, etc guys where they can outscore warts to try to develop. Maybe how they treat Lysell will prove me wrong.

I think there’s a lot of revisionist history with Spooner.

I recall when we traded him he was actually electric on the Bruins. That DeBrusk - Krejci - Spooner line was lighting it up.

I guess my point is that it’s okay to have some very offensively focused players. We can play defense, that part is clear. Let’s get some balanced lines and have people who can put the puck on the net or facilitate that function.

Easiest first step there is at least trying Lysell.

 

[PlayMakers]

Maybe it's a delusion I am laboring under- I fully admit that I could be doing just that. I seem to recall lots of coaches comments, most recently Bruce, but I think even Monty, about young guys needing to be harder on pucks and the like. I recall Clode not being a big one for rookies. Pasta I have a hard time with the comparison because his offensive talent is at the elite level. Anyway, I think that two-way hockey thing is great when the team is rolling and has a strong core. Right now, they could use all the offense help they can get and I am less concerned if a kid like Lysell is not hard enough on pucks or doesn't back check the greatest. He'll get there like Pasta has (still not great, but he is miles better than when he started).

That said, you make a good point about stopping the bleeding and getting the ship righted. We'll see. I hope you are right and that they really do have a commitment to young skilled guys that doesn't also require them to be junior Bergerons.

In terms of timing and the kids... when Sacco took over, they had 3 things they had to fix 1) effort/compete level, 2) team defense, 3) offense.

When Monty was fired, Sweeney, Sacco and the players all separately talked about how the first thing they had to do was elevate their effort and compete level. Would adding a young player(s), not known for their intensity and being hard on pucks, help them improve the team's compete level? No.

Next up was getting a handle on the team defense. Not allowing odd man rushes, defending the rush, standing up on the blue line, defensive zone coverage, defensemen not chasing, backside wings covering the slot, defensemen not chasing... Would adding a young player(s), not known for their defense, help them improve the team's defensive play? No.

I think it's safe to say that in the first 3 games, they have addressed the first two issues. They probably want to get 6, 8, 10 games of consistent results in those two areas before they feel like they're back, but so far so good.

The last challenge is to improve the offense. I think they want to see if the uptick in scoring chances and shot production will translate and get guys out of their slumps first, but we will see them try Lysell and Poitras there as well. They're working towards that.

 

[Fenian24]

I'm heavily in favor of adding Zegras too, but I don't see how they do that right now. That to me, is a deadline deal, when the Bruins have $6m in cap space.

Or our 1st round pick.

I don't like Zegras' attitude but I would risk a first on him, we have seen he can put up points at an NHL level his problem is immaturity and laziness. He overcomes that he has a ton of skill. He's a better gamble than an 18 year old picked somewhere between 18-28 overall.

 

[JHockey14]

Let me throw something out there. Little innovative and progressive. We go 3 lines

Line 1 you go top heavy
Marchand Lindholm Pasta

Line 2
Marchand Zacha Pasta
I debated taking Zacha out but didn’t want to burn Lindholm out. Marchand and Pasta double shift

Line 3 = 4th line

 

[CDJ]

I don't like Zegras' attitude but I would risk a first on him, we have seen he can put up points at an NHL level his problem is immaturity and laziness. He overcomes that he has a ton of skill. He's a better gamble than an 18 year old picked somewhere between 18-28 overall.

Lookin pretty damn good tonight

 

[PlayMakers]

Lookin pretty damn good tonight

7 points, +3 in his last 6 games. It may already be too late.

 

[chizzler]

Poitras = Caron?
Lysell = Soderberg?

Remember the hype around them and how they played vs the reality when they made it to Boston?

We hype every player hoping that one sticks.

 

[chizzler]

Right now, they aren’t making any moves. Th word is to straighten out the main things like effort and defense. To me it’s not offense next but consistency. I believe the offense will come with line not being switched all the time. They need to find each other’s tendencies. Monty was out of control IMO with the line combos.

Injuries will arise and kids will get a chance. Make no mistake though, ownership wants the playoff take. So…. There’s that for those that want the kids to get a chance. I think they will be forced to bring them up due to the injuries like I said. I’m good where they’re at right now after putting up 6 goals last night. I’m not satisfied but ok. They could still be the team from two weeks ago.

 

[Greek_physique]

I'm on the opposite side...I personally don't have patience and the longer we wait to fix this top 6, the harder it'll be to make the playoffs.

If you bring someone in now, to give this team that much needed spark, it'll balance the lines and give others better opportunities to succeed.

Geekie cannot be a top 6 fixture until Feb or March...it's painful.

 

[Blowfish]

All Bruin players under 22 should be considered tradable. Fred Braz Geek should also be included in the trade.

 

[goldenblack]

I'm on the opposite side...I personally don't have patience and the longer we wait to fix this top 6, the harder it'll be to make the playoffs.

If you bring someone in now, to give this team that much needed spark, it'll balance the lines and give others better opportunities to succeed.

Geekie cannot be a top 6 fixture until Feb or March...it's painful.

He's starting to shoot, last game he scored. I'm ok letting coach play him there a bit more.

 

[neelynugs]

taylor hall hat trick last night. based on how NHL trade value works, i guess he's worth 2 first rounders now

still would move a prospect and geekie right now to add hall. even post knee issues he's way more electric than
the geek squad.

 

[wintersej]

What happened to Coyle and Frederic at 5 on 5? This is their last two years of stats.

 

[Hookslide]

taylor hall hat trick last night. based on how NHL trade value works, i guess he's worth 2 first rounders now

still would move a prospect and geekie right now to add hall. even post knee issues he's way more electric than
the geek squad.

All three on that line has played better than any of them were playing, since they were put together, let's hope it continues.