Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread VIII

[LouJersey]

Maybe let Swayman refine his game vs the crap teams?

 

[Mick Riddleton]

With the talent they have, they need a coach that is structured and defensive minded. They cannot turn this crew into scorers or cannot trade for one or two. They need a Claude like guy and try and keep the score low.

The current players do not hold enough value to get value back and the youth is not up to snuff. Dump and chase, shoot from everywhere and hit everything in site. Simple hockey for simple players. We need a mission statement for everyone to follow.

 

[neelynugs]

MSN

Richardson thinks Hall needs more practice, less game time, to get back up to speed. Hall disagrees.

I wouldn't expect either party to admit he's cooked but he may very well be cooked. A player with multiple knee surgeries whose bread and butter was his explosive skating.

i haven't watched basically any chicago games this year, but folks on their board say hall has played well and can still skate.
and that richardson is a moron. so............i think we'd have to see with our own eyes to say for sure.

 

[Hookslide]

MSN

Richardson thinks Hall needs more practice, less game time, to get back up to speed. Hall disagrees.

I wouldn't expect either party to admit he's cooked but he may very well be cooked. A player with multiple knee surgeries whose bread and butter was his explosive skating.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

This team is already full of Bertuzzi's. Guys who don't skate well and can only score within 5 feet of the net. It's having too many forwards like this that is the problem really. No who can create time and space with their feet. No one who can shoot and score from the mid-high slot or off the rush.

The league's most one-dimensional forward group and people want to add to that one dimension. It's insane.

It's not the skillset. It's that we've seen that combination before and it WORKED. And we've seen Morgan Geekie there and Tyler Johnson and well anything we've tried. And none of that works.

Strategy is to go with what works.

 

[Hookslide]

It's not the skillset. It's that we've seen that combination before and it WORKED. And we've seen Morgan Geekie there and Tyler Johnson and well anything we've tried. And none of that works.

Strategy is to go with what works.

Bertuzzi would be another mistake contract.

 

[BruinDust]

i haven't watched basically any chicago games this year, but folks on their board say hall has played well and can still skate.
and that richardson is a moron. so............i think we'd have to see with our own eyes to say for sure.

I think they've used him on his off-wing too which I don't believe he's done much of in the past.

A Geekie for Hall swap I could get behind. Even Hall at half-speed would still make this team faster vs. dressing Geekie.

 

[Hookslide]

I think they've used him on his off-wing too which I don't believe he's done much of in the past.

A Geekie for Hall swap I could get behind. Even Hall at half-speed would still make this team faster vs. dressing Geekie.

Coming from a Hall guy, not sure brining in a question mark at this time, should be in the cards.

 

[BruinDust]

It's not the skillset. It's that we've seen that combination before and it WORKED. And we've seen Morgan Geekie there and Tyler Johnson and well anything we've tried. And none of that works.

Strategy is to go with what works.

Me, personally I never thought Bertuzzi worked here. It's no secret I'm not a fan of this player.

 

[Gee Wally]

Mind blowing.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858208967677317385

 

[BruinDust]

Coming from a Hall guy, not sure brining in a question mark at this time, should be in the cards.

I actually think it's desperation time and time to gamble. Their biggest problem is team speed. Even if they can make several small incremental moves over a period of time they can turn this sinking ship around. Very doubtful they can pull off a big move in-season. Geekie for Hall adds to one of their two biggest needs.

Maybe then get Carcone out of Utah. He's a very good skater, scored 20 last year. He'd replace Johnson/Tufte/Brown in the line-up and makes the Bruins faster.

Hall - Zacha - Pasta

Marchand - Lindholm - Frederic

Carcone - Coyle - Brazeau

Koepke - Beecher - Kastelic (or Beecher - Kastelic - Koepke)


If the plan is to salvage the season small incremental moves seems better than no moves. The forward mix they have now isn't working.

 

[bruinsfan1968]

The Hall stuff is interesting. A buddy and I were talking about it yesterday too.

I still like the idea of @PlayMakers proposal of Coyle for Bertuzzi.

Why not both?

Geekie, Coyle, Lysell (sure there will be complaints with me adding Lysell here, but really it's any decent futures asset to make this deal more appealing for the Blackhawks)
For
Bertuzzi, Hall (half retained)

Bertuzzi - Zacha - Pastrnak
Marchand - Lindholm - Hall
Frederic - Poitras - Brazeau
Beecher - Kastelic - Koepke
Johnson

Bertuzzi isn't coming back here,so forget it!

 

[goldenblack]

Guys I'm not sure Hall's body has anything left

 

[DaStinger]

Bandaids will not help our future.

 

[wintersej]

Could have moved peeke and they would have been able to afford Debrusk or teraveinen.

I don’t see any difference between peeke and wotherspoon and peeke can’t stay on the ice

Did they though?

Because I see a team that of the 6 D who played the most minutes in last years playoffs, all 6 were already coming back.



IDK the few Chicago games I've seen his skating has taken a big step back. That explosive acceleration he was known for looks all but gone. That knee injury might of did him in as an effective NHLer.

It feels like as a group we have forgotten that you need to have more than 6D you trust to make it through the playoffs. Bruins added Zadorov and already are playing AHL scrubs in the lineup. Shattenkirk (61 games), Gryz (63), Fobort (35) are all gone. Lorhei and Wotherspoon each played 41 last year. Bruins have played 8 D so far this year and are already to Osterle. They played 9 D in only two rounds of the playoffs last year and you might recall that Florida gave it to those bottom pairing guys in the kisser last playoffs.

They obviously need to add some help upfront. I don’t think them prioritizing D and crossing fingers on Poitras, Lysell and/or Merkulov was ill conceived versus the alternative. Either way, the roster was likely going to be short of what it needed to be, but getting more info on the young forwards is probably more valuable than getting more info on Ian Mitchell.

 

[BruinDust]

It feels like as a group we have forgotten that you need to have more than 6D you trust to make it through the playoffs. Bruins added Zadorov and already are playing AHL scrubs in the lineup. Shattenkirk (61 games), Gryz (63), Fobort (35) are all gone. Lorhei and Wotherspoon each played 41 last year. Bruins have played 8 D so far this year and are already to Osterle. They played 9 D in only two rounds of the playoffs last year and you might recall that Florida gave it to those bottom pairing guys in the kisser last playoffs.

They obviously need to add some help upfront. I don’t think them prioritizing D and crossing fingers on Poitras, Lysell and/or Merkulov was ill conceived versus the alternative. Either way, the roster was likely going to be short of what it needed to be, but getting more info on the young forwards is probably more valuable than getting more info on Ian Mitchell.

Yes, they needed some depth past that six. They didn't need to offer a D-man a 6-year term with a fairly substantial AAV. They didn't have the cap space for that luxury given their pressing needs that went unaddressed and are paying the price now.

 

[wintersej]

Razor is closer to Don Godfather than the rest of us when it comes to optimism, but I think he made some insightful comments in the last morning bru about how the team is still adjusting to more “throw it out to center ice” vs “controlled breakouts” like they had tried in the past and Florida picked apart.

 

[the negotiator]

Guys I'm not sure Hall's body has anything left

I have always loved Hall and so wish the Oilers had chosen Seguin - which was the logical choice for what they needed. I was like a kid at Christmas when the Bs acquired him from Buffalo

That said- unless the Hawks are retaining 50% and taking Geekie I don't see the Bs making this move ...it just doesn't move the needle enough

 

[PlayMakers]

Regardless of cap number I don’t think that will make those contracts look ok. Huge overpayment on both. I get it with Lindholm, you have nobody in the system but was dumb with Zadorov over a right winger.

Who would be our #2 LD if we signed a wing instead? Lohrei has struggled. Wotherspoon still isn't a regular.

I don't think this decision was as easy or obvious as people are making it out to be. They had Poitras, Lysell and Merkulov coming back. They really didn't have anyone behind Wotherspoon knocking on the door.

 

[PlayMakers]

Yes, they needed some depth past that six. They didn't need to offer a D-man a 6-year term with a fairly substantial AAV. They didn't have the cap space for that luxury given their pressing needs that went unaddressed and are paying the price now.

So what, half measures? Split the $5m between a 3rd pair D you are going to ask to play top4 and a 3rd/4th line wing you are going to ask to play top6?

They knew they still would still need a winger.

 

[The don godfather]

Donny maestro with that magic potion shortly. No worries.

 

[bruinmann77]

nothing to happen till after thanksgiving

 

[BruinDust]

So what, half measures? Split the $5m between a 3rd pair D you are going to ask to play top4 and a 3rd/4th line wing you are going to ask to play top6?

They knew they still would still need a winger.

I would of rolled Lohrei in the Top 4. A left-shot at around 1 million to go with Wotherspoon and Peeke on the 3rd pair. Is it ideal? No. But this is a salary cap system. Most teams can afford 3 substantial salaries on D, 4 is pushing it unless you have a bevy of young forwards on ELCs and bridge deals. Boston doesn't have any of that.

Their paying Zadorov 5 million a year and I still don't trust him out there defensively against other team's top forwards.

It was so blatantly obvious they needed an injection of speed/skill/shooting/play driving in their forward group and they failed to address it.

Yes they knew. Neely admitted as such. And it was a huge miscalculation and ultimately the lack of offensive will submarine this season.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I would of rolled Lohrei in the Top 4. A left-shot at around 1 million to go with Wotherspoon and Peeke on the 3rd pair. Is it ideal? No. But this is a salary cap system. Most teams can afford 3 substantial salaries on D, 4 is pushing it unless you have a bevy of young forwards on ELCs and bridge deals. Boston doesn't have any of that.

Their paying Zadorov 5 million a year and I still don't trust him out there defensively against other team's top forwards.

It was so blatantly obvious they needed an injection of speed/skill/shooting/play driving in their forward group and they failed to address it.

Yes they knew. Neely admitted as such. And it was a huge miscalculation and ultimately the lack of offensive will submarine this season.

We talked about this as it happened. The learned the wrong lesson from losing to Florida twice. I bet Cam wishes he has Derek Forbort back.

Florida isn’t tough they’re ratty. They’re tall but they can skate. They’ll hammer you on the half wall especially with their top 2 lines but they’ll leave open an odd man if you can reverse the puck. Or we’ll sit back in a Boucher 1-2-2 if we can’t get there.

The idea that Derek Forbort or now Zadorov is the right guy to deploy against that system - if you’re trying to counter Florida which is silly anyway - is madness. You beat them with more Lohrei and less Peeke.

 

[BruinDust]

We talked about this as it happened. The learned the wrong lesson from losing to Florida twice. I bet Cam wishes he has Derek Forbort back.

Florida isn’t tough they’re ratty. They’re tall but they can skate. They’ll hammer you on the half wall especially with their top 2 lines but they’ll leave open an odd man if you can reverse the puck. Or we’ll sit back in a Boucher 1-2-2 if we can’t get there.

The idea that Derek Forbort or now Zadorov is the right guy to deploy against that system - if you’re trying to counter Florida which is silly anyway - is madness. You beat them with more Lohrei and less Peeke.

I found in last year's playoffs that inserting Lohrei and putting him up with McAvoy was a major turning point in the Leaf series. Bruins started breaking the puck out, even skating the puck out, much more consistently.

Conversely, I felt it was a huge mistake to dress Forbort against Florida when he hadn't played in almost 2 months.