Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread VIII

[Gee Wally]

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[wintersej]

The comments from Friedman about how much the cap might be going up make you feel better about the contracts on the team going forward and about their ability to be able to add some more skill going forward. Which takes “let’s blow it up” off the table if you are a competent GM (at least from ownerships POV).

It does have 2015 retool vibes right now. Problem is that Poitras and Lorhei ain’t Pasta and McAvoy. Building thru UFA ain’t gonna be wise as there aren’t going to be “we can’t fit them under the cap and are sad to see them go” guys hitting the market if teams are flush with cash. There might be some “we want to shake up or core” kinds of guys, but I think that the Lindholm and Zadorov deals will look cheap a year from now if a 9 million bump happens.

Which basically leaves you at taking flyers on guys like Florida did with Bennett and Reinhart and Boston did with Zacha and the draft. Aside from Zegras, not sure who else fits that profile.

 

[LouJersey]

The comments from Friedman about how much the cap might be going up make you feel better about the contracts on the team going forward and about their ability to be able to add some more skill going forward. Which takes “let’s blow it up” off the table if you are a competent GM (at least from ownerships POV).

It does have 2015 retool vibes right now. Problem is that Poitras and Lorhei ain’t Pasta and McAvoy. Building thru UFA ain’t gonna be wise as there aren’t going to be “we can’t fit them under the cap and are sad to see them go” guys hitting the market if teams are flush with cash. There might be some “we want to shake up or core” kinds of guys, but I think that the Lindholm and Zadorov deals will look cheap a year from now if a 9 million bump happens.

Which basically leaves you at taking flyers on guys like Florida did with Bennett and Reinhart and Boston did with Zacha and the draft. Aside from Zegras, not sure who else fits that profile.

Regardless of cap number I don’t think that will make those contracts look ok. Huge overpayment on both. I get it with Lindholm, you have nobody in the system but was dumb with Zadorov over a right winger.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Taylor Hall was a healthy scratch for Chicago last night.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

 

[wintersej]

Regardless of cap number I don’t think that will make those contracts look ok. Huge overpayment on both. I get it with Lindholm, you have nobody in the system but was dumb with Zadorov over a right winger.

I don’t disagree and said so at the time, but what winger has continued to be the problem. Necas didn’t move. Don’t think Guentzal was going to choose here over Tampa. You could have brought back DeBrusk, but you would have had to move out Coyle even if you didn’t sign Zadorov because you needed to add a D regardless even if it was a 3 million dollar guy instead (also, on that front, who?). I think it’s easy to say “they should have done A instead of B”, but there are ripple effects on everything and also other parties that have a say from agents to GMs that we are completely blind to. Maybe they did go talk to Guentzal’s people in a wink wink way and knew there was no shot. Maybe they did reach out to Carolina and they told Boston to f*** off.

 

[neelynugs]

Taylor Hall was a healthy scratch for Chicago last night.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

if they aren't going to fire the coach, something like this would make sense. chicago would have to eat half the cap hit, and
also take geekie back which should make the money work (although @DominicT and others are way better at cap stuff than
i am). not sure what else they'd want - maybe a 3rd round pick or one of our prospects. at this point, they desperately need
speed and skill...and while hall is flawed, he did work here more often than not.

 

[UncleRico]

I don’t disagree and said so at the time, but what winger has continued to be the problem. Necas didn’t move. Don’t think Guentzal was going to choose here over Tampa. You could have brought back DeBrusk, but you would have had to move out Coyle even if you didn’t sign Zadorov because you needed to add a D regardless even if it was a 3 million dollar guy instead (also, on that front, who?). I think it’s easy to say “they should have done A instead of B”, but there are ripple effects on everything and also other parties that have a say from agents to GMs that we are completely blind to. Maybe they did go talk to Guentzal’s people in a wink wink way and knew there was no shot. Maybe they did reach out to Carolina and they told Boston to f*** off.

Could have moved peeke and they would have been able to afford Debrusk or teraveinen.

I don’t see any difference between peeke and wotherspoon and peeke can’t stay on the ice

 

[Oates2Neely]

if they aren't going to fire the coach, something like this would make sense. chicago would have to eat half the cap hit, and
also take geekie back which should make the money work (although @DominicT and others are way better at cap stuff than
i am). not sure what else they'd want - maybe a 3rd round pick or one of our prospects. at this point, they desperately need
speed and skill...and while hall is flawed, he did work here more often than not.

I’ve been beating the Hall drum since the summer. He’s great at carrying the puck through the neutral zone & gaining the blue line. Which imo is exactly what Pastrnak needs on his line so he isn’t turning over pucks as often as he has. Hall at 3m is enticing

 

[BruinDust]

because you needed to add a D regardless even if it was a 3 million dollar guy instead.

Did they though?

Because I see a team that of the 6 D who played the most minutes in last years playoffs, all 6 were already coming back.

I’ve been beating the Hall drum since the summer. He’s great at carrying the puck through the neutral zone & gaining the blue line. Which imo is exactly what Pastrnak needs on his line so he isn’t turning over pucks as often as he has. Hall at 3m is enticing

IDK the few Chicago games I've seen his skating has taken a big step back. That explosive acceleration he was known for looks all but gone. That knee injury might of did him in as an effective NHLer.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Did they though?

Because I see a team that of the 6 D who played the most minutes in last years playoffs, all 6 were already coming back.



IDK the few Chicago games I've seen his skating has taken a big step back. That explosive acceleration he was known for looks all but gone. That knee injury might of did him in as an effective NHLer.

I haven’t watched him at all since he left here. If his speed is gone that might explain his stat line. Then again he had 2 goals in 37 games in Buffalo and immediately scored 8 goals in his first 16 games as a Bruin

 

[BruinDust]

I haven’t watched him at all since he left here. If his speed is gone that might explain his stat line

It's sad because he was truly one of the best skaters on the planet in a straight line when he was younger and healthy. Just phenomenal how he could get up to top speed without using cross-overs.

 

[Oates2Neely]

It's sad because he was truly one of the best skaters on the planet in a straight line when he was younger and healthy. Just phenomenal how he could get up to top speed without using cross-overs.

His MVP season in NJ he was unstoppable. He’s obviously no longer that player.

 

[BruinDust]

His MVP season in NJ he was unstoppable. He’s obviously no longer that player.

He had knee surgery the year after his MVP season that took him down a notch. Then the one last year, combined with advancing age, nowhere close to the player he once was.

I liked Hall when he was here and felt Monty didn't use him correctly in that record breaking regular season.

 

[chizzler]

Taylor Hall was a healthy scratch for Chicago last night.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Bring him back.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

The Hall stuff is interesting. A buddy and I were talking about it yesterday too.

I still like the idea of @PlayMakers proposal of Coyle for Bertuzzi.

Why not both?

Geekie, Coyle, Lysell (sure there will be complaints with me adding Lysell here, but really it's any decent futures asset to make this deal more appealing for the Blackhawks)
For
Bertuzzi, Hall (half retained)

Bertuzzi - Zacha - Pastrnak
Marchand - Lindholm - Hall
Frederic - Poitras - Brazeau
Beecher - Kastelic - Koepke
Johnson

 

[Hookslide]

The Hall stuff is interesting. A buddy and I were talking about it yesterday too.

I still like the idea of @PlayMakers proposal of Coyle for Bertuzzi.

Why not both?

Geekie, Coyle, Lysell (sure there will be complaints with me adding Lysell here, but really it's any decent futures asset to make this deal more appealing for the Blackhawks)
For
Bertuzzi, Hall (half retained)

Bertuzzi - Zacha - Pastrnak
Marchand - Lindholm - Hall
Frederic - Poitras - Brazeau
Beecher - Kastelic - Koepke
Johnson

Hall is not going to play off wing at this stage of his career, and a big negative on Bertuzzi, and not just because of his play, we have enough shitty contracts. losing Hall in the first place was a mistake.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Hall is not going to play off wing at this stage of his career, and a big negative on Bertuzzi, and not just because of his play, we have enough shitty contracts. losing Hall in the first place was a mistake.

What?

 

[Hookslide]

What?

What, what.

 

[BruinDust]

Hall is not going to play off wing at this stage of his career, and a big negative on Bertuzzi, and not just because of his play, we have enough shitty contracts. losing Hall in the first place was a mistake.

This team is already full of Bertuzzi's. Guys who don't skate well and can only score within 5 feet of the net. It's having too many forwards like this that is the problem really. No who can create time and space with their feet. No one who can shoot and score from the mid-high slot or off the rush.

The league's most one-dimensional forward group and people want to add to that one dimension. It's insane.

 

[BamBamCam]

Well I think Hall would be a cheap and good pick up. If Sweeney reacquired him wouldn't be telling ownership he screwed up by trading him in the first place?

 

[BruinDust]

MSN

Richardson thinks Hall needs more practice, less game time, to get back up to speed. Hall disagrees.

I wouldn't expect either party to admit he's cooked but he may very well be cooked. A player with multiple knee surgeries whose bread and butter was his explosive skating.

 

[CellyHard]

This team is already full of Bertuzzi's. Guys who don't skate well and can only score within 5 feet of the net. It's having too many forwards like this that is the problem really. No who can create time and space with their feet. No one who can shoot and score from the mid-high slot or off the rush.

The league's most one-dimensional forward group and people want to add to that one dimension. It's insane.

Completely agree they need more creativity and skill. I think there is also a part that wonders if you lean into more and play a game where u are funneling everything to the net and crashing.

It’s one dimensional but playoff effective.

I think Bertuzzi talk comes up because he was so effective here as a forecheck and puck retriever for Pastas line. Huge pass for me.

If it’s a route they want to go again, they should take a look at Michael Bunting…better contract for only 1.5 more years but he’s a complimentary piece…still think they need to aim higher

 

[BruinDust]

Completely agree they need more creativity and skill. I think there is also a part that wonders if you lean into more and play a game where u are funneling everything to the net and crashing.

It’s one dimensional but playoff effective.

I think Bertuzzi talk comes up because he was so effective here as a forecheck and puck retriever for Pastas line. Huge pass for me.

If it’s a route they want to go again, they should take a look at Michael Bunting…better contract for only 1.5 more years but he’s a complimentary piece…still think they need to aim higher

Dirty goals/goals in tight does become more important in the playoffs where time and space becomes more limited.

But if your one-dimensional offensively you just become way to easy to defend. You need a good mix of both. Skating and range scoring helps pull defenders apart, opens up space down low. In a 7 game series all a team has to do is hold their own blueline as much as possible, and if the Bruins do get possession in the zone, pack the defenders down tight to the net you know the Bruins won't even try to score from the slot or off the rush, let alone actually be able to do so. Just throw weak shots at the net or try to go east-west cross-crease for one-timers/tap-ins.

 

[Gee Wally]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858192399471612390

 

[DominicT]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858192399471612390

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