Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread VII

wintersej

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I don't know a whole lot about systems, X's and O's but to me, it's got to be that the system doesn't fit the roster.

I mean --- was JDB that good?

They replaced him with Lindholm -- different skillset -- different positions but we're not talking replacing Mitch Marner with Charlie Coyle.

JVR?, Shattenkirk, Boqvist, Gryz?

On paper this team should wipe the floor with last year's --- but they're playing terrible.

Maybe they need more time to jell, but how much more time can they afford to wait without doing something?

I do think that subtracting Gryz and DeBrusk, flawed as they were, might have been a tipping point to just not having enough speed and skill. Like when a player loses half a step and just can’t do it anymore because they just passed a narrow threshold needed to be an NHL level talent.
 
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I think Zadorov came exactly as advertised... a 4-6 area d-man who hits and is a nice piece for the playoffs. Also a player that is prone to dumb mistakes. We knew all of this going into the year.

Problem is they paid him as a guy who's more than that player. Maybe it's market adjustment, overpay, or combo of both. But he's played about as I've expected so far. So Zadorov isn't a disappointment in my eyes, it's more the contract that was offered to him and the expectations associated with it. I like his game, I don't like the AAV.
 

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We have entered the dark ages, as was foretold.

I actually don't agree.

We have SO much roster flexibility in July. In the 2025 draft we have no 2nd or 4th, and then really the end of the draft pick drought is over. And we have players to trade for picks here at the deadline.

I actually don't mind elements of our core at all, and it's still an attractive city to bring a big name to.

So I don't see some 5 year horrible phase. But 1 down year? Yeah sure, possibly. I think Monty's days are numbered. That much is for sure.
 

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I do think that subtracting Gryz and DeBrusk, flawed as they were, might have been a tipping point to just not having enough speed and skill. Like when a player loses half a step and just can’t do it anymore because the just passed a narrow threshold needed to be an NHL level talent.
i wasn't a huge JDB fan, but that was a big issue with him leaving. the brass said they wanted to get faster and more skilled (rightfully so).
but they allowed a fast/skilled guy to leave via UFA and didn't replace him. on a team that was already slow. and they earmarked the $ for
a top 6 speed/skill winger and spent it on zadorov (or lindholm, you can toss him in there too).

geekie makes no sense on the roster post-debrusk because he's just another guy who isn't making the team faster. the ideal summer
was getting one of necas or ehlers (using ullmark return and whatever else), not taking on a $3M backup goalie, not playing chicken with
the starting goalie (ideally you sign him before trading ullmark) and continuing to build up the speed/skill quotient. instead, here we are.

i don't even think any of that is hindsight/revisionist history. it was just logic.
 

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i wasn't a huge JDB fan, but that was a big issue with him leaving. the brass said they wanted to get faster and more skilled (rightfully so).
but they allowed a fast/skilled guy to leave via UFA and didn't replace him. on a team that was already slow. and they earmarked the $ for
a top 6 speed/skill winger and spent it on zadorov (or lindholm, you can toss him in there too).

geekie makes no sense on the roster post-debrusk because he's just another guy who isn't making the team faster. the ideal summer
was getting one of necas or ehlers (using ullmark return and whatever else), not taking on a $3M backup goalie, not playing chicken with
the starting goalie (ideally you sign him before trading ullmark) and continuing to build up the speed/skill quotient. instead, here we are.

i don't even think any of that is hindsight/revisionist history. it was just logic.

I think the “just sign Swayman before you trade Ullmark” didn’t really take into account Swayman’s side. If Sweeney offered 8.25 before the draft, I think Swayman’s side just keeps asking for a higher number.

But yeah, Necas, Ehlers, Guentzal all would have been wonderful adds.
 

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I think the “just sign Swayman before you trade Ullmark” didn’t really take into account Swayman’s side. If Sweeney offered 8.25 before the draft, I think Swayman’s side just keeps asking for a higher number.

But yeah, Necas, Ehlers, Guentzal all would have been wonderful adds.
that's true, agents are scum. keeping ullmark and trading swayman was an option too. not one that many people supported,
but a road they could've gone down.
 
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I think Zadorov came exactly as advertised... a 4-6 area d-man who hits and is a nice piece for the playoffs. Also a player that is prone to dumb mistakes. We knew all of this going into the year.

Problem is they paid him as a guy who's more than that player. Maybe it's market adjustment, overpay, or combo of both. But he's played about as I've expected so far. So Zadorov isn't a disappointment in my eyes, it's more the contract that was offered to him and the expectations associated with it. I like his game, I don't like the AAV.
Im not worried about Z. Nobody is playing good on defense. We don’t know if it’s the system or the players. He’s also adjusting to a weird system, a hybrid. I see him trying at least.

that's true, agents are scum. keeping ullmark and trading swayman was an option too. not one that many people supported,
but a road they could've gone down.
Swayman will be fine. Something has to break though. They need to just focus on defense and really basic stuff.
 

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I do think that subtracting Gryz and DeBrusk, flawed as they were, might have been a tipping point to just not having enough speed and skill. Like when a player loses half a step and just can’t do it anymore because the just passed a narrow threshold needed to be an NHL level talent.
We all have weighed in on DeBrusk the last few years, and does not matter what your thoughts are, but I think we can all agree, he wasn't replaced.
 

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Loved Cam as a player……but I think he’s in way over his head here.



DALLAS — Cam Neely is as flummoxed as anyone.

The Bruins’ inconsistent, up-and-down start to the season has surprised many, including the team’s president, who experienced the highs and lows of this week’s road trip first-hand.

Neely felt the exhilaration of the comeback win over the Blues Tuesday night — arguably the best win of the season — and the depths of the blowout loss to the Stars Thursday.

The Bruins, who enter Saturday’s rematch with the Blues at 8-8-2, have struggled to establish an identity. The habits and details that were hallmarks of the last two seasons — supporting pucks, being hard to play against, excellent special teams — have come and gone during the early stages of this campaign.

Speaking before Thursday’s game at American Airlines Center, Neely said it was hard to say why the team’s play has been choppy, but theorized the roots of the problems go back to the preseason.

“I thought our training camp was a little disjointed,” said Neely. “Some guys out at camp, whether it was injuries or whatnot. So I think it was a little bit more challenging than we had the last couple training camps. The work on specialty teams wasn’t really something that the staff could do in camp, just because of the guys in and out.”

Newcomers Elias Lindholm and Max Jones both missed chunks of training camp with injuries, while No. 1 goalie Jeremy Swayman didn’t join the team until the day before the season opener when his new contract was settled.

With a good-sized roster overhaul from the club that pushed the Stanley Cup champion Panthers to six gamesin the Eastern Conference semifinals in the spring, an acclimation process for the newcomers was something Neely was anticipating.

“That’s usually the case,” he said. “I mean, it does take a little time, and again with camp being a little bit more disjointed than I would’ve liked, it probably played a factor in that.”

Neely has been mostly pleased with the two big-ticket additions — Lindholm ($7.75 million salary-cap hit) and defenseman Nikita Zadorov ($5 million) — but expects they will have an even bigger impact as they continue to get comfortable with the Bruins’ systems.

“Elias, I think, is as advertised — a 200-foot player, smart player, maybe see him shoot a little bit more,” said Neely. “I know guys don’t want to be selfish, but sometimes I think if you’re passing up shots, I look at that as a form of selfishness.

“And from Nikita’s point of view, big body, I’d like to see a little bit more urgency in his game, and that’s coming. I think he can kill a little bit more plays just with his size and smarts and skating ability.”

Without mentioning any names, Neely indicated that some players skating in Providence could return and help the varsity at some point.

Matt Poitras, Jones, and Riley Tufte all earned spots on the initial roster but have since been sent to the AHL.

“It’s one of those things where you want to see guys go down, certain guys that if they made our team out of camp and for whatever reason struggle a little bit, you’d like to see them go down there, get their confidence back because they’re capable of playing,” said Neely.

“There’s a reason they made our team out of camp. So go to Prov, [have a] great attitude, work hard, get in all situations. And we’ve got some guys right now that are playing well, that are starting to produce, competing. That’s a big thing for me. Are you competing?”

Neely and general manager Don Sweeney have applauded coach Jim Montgomery’s communication skills. Asked if those skills have been vital in weathering the turbulence, Neely said communication is always key.

“Whether it’s with the players or with the staff, I think you have to talk things through,” he said. There’s a lot of great hockey minds in that locker room, so if you’re not communicating, I think that just makes things a little bit more stagnant.


“So I think our staff as a whole does a really good job of communicating, like I said, not just with each other, but with the players as well.”

As of Friday, the Bruins had the worst power play in the league at 11.4 percent. Perhaps more surprisingly, the penalty kill, perennially among the top units in the league, ranked 26th at 74.3 percent.

“Our specialty teams right now are something that’s not quite what we’re expecting,” said Neely. “And we’ve seen in the past, our PK has generally been pretty strong. So I feel pretty confident we’ll get back to that. We haven’t really changed that much personnel on the PK, so I think we’ll get back to where we were accustomed to.”

Neely remains confident this team can be successful, and he was buoyed by the way it fought back against the Blues.

“I liked our third period, considering the third period the previous game [an overtime loss to the Senators],” Neely said. “So I thought that was a great step in the right direction where these guys didn’t fold up shop and came out with a purpose to win.”
 

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Loved Cam as a player……but I think he’s in way over his head here.



DALLAS — Cam Neely is as flummoxed as anyone.

The Bruins’ inconsistent, up-and-down start to the season has surprised many, including the team’s president, who experienced the highs and lows of this week’s road trip first-hand.

Neely felt the exhilaration of the comeback win over the Blues Tuesday night — arguably the best win of the season — and the depths of the blowout loss to the Stars Thursday.

The Bruins, who enter Saturday’s rematch with the Blues at 8-8-2, have struggled to establish an identity. The habits and details that were hallmarks of the last two seasons — supporting pucks, being hard to play against, excellent special teams — have come and gone during the early stages of this campaign.

Speaking before Thursday’s game at American Airlines Center, Neely said it was hard to say why the team’s play has been choppy, but theorized the roots of the problems go back to the preseason.

“I thought our training camp was a little disjointed,” said Neely. “Some guys out at camp, whether it was injuries or whatnot. So I think it was a little bit more challenging than we had the last couple training camps. The work on specialty teams wasn’t really something that the staff could do in camp, just because of the guys in and out.”

Newcomers Elias Lindholm and Max Jones both missed chunks of training camp with injuries, while No. 1 goalie Jeremy Swayman didn’t join the team until the day before the season opener when his new contract was settled.

With a good-sized roster overhaul from the club that pushed the Stanley Cup champion Panthers to six gamesin the Eastern Conference semifinals in the spring, an acclimation process for the newcomers was something Neely was anticipating.

“That’s usually the case,” he said. “I mean, it does take a little time, and again with camp being a little bit more disjointed than I would’ve liked, it probably played a factor in that.”

Neely has been mostly pleased with the two big-ticket additions — Lindholm ($7.75 million salary-cap hit) and defenseman Nikita Zadorov ($5 million) — but expects they will have an even bigger impact as they continue to get comfortable with the Bruins’ systems.

“Elias, I think, is as advertised — a 200-foot player, smart player, maybe see him shoot a little bit more,” said Neely. “I know guys don’t want to be selfish, but sometimes I think if you’re passing up shots, I look at that as a form of selfishness.

“And from Nikita’s point of view, big body, I’d like to see a little bit more urgency in his game, and that’s coming. I think he can kill a little bit more plays just with his size and smarts and skating ability.”

Without mentioning any names, Neely indicated that some players skating in Providence could return and help the varsity at some point.

Matt Poitras, Jones, and Riley Tufte all earned spots on the initial roster but have since been sent to the AHL.

“It’s one of those things where you want to see guys go down, certain guys that if they made our team out of camp and for whatever reason struggle a little bit, you’d like to see them go down there, get their confidence back because they’re capable of playing,” said Neely.

“There’s a reason they made our team out of camp. So go to Prov, [have a] great attitude, work hard, get in all situations. And we’ve got some guys right now that are playing well, that are starting to produce, competing. That’s a big thing for me. Are you competing?”

Neely and general manager Don Sweeney have applauded coach Jim Montgomery’s communication skills. Asked if those skills have been vital in weathering the turbulence, Neely said communication is always key.

“Whether it’s with the players or with the staff, I think you have to talk things through,” he said. There’s a lot of great hockey minds in that locker room, so if you’re not communicating, I think that just makes things a little bit more stagnant.


“So I think our staff as a whole does a really good job of communicating, like I said, not just with each other, but with the players as well.”

As of Friday, the Bruins had the worst power play in the league at 11.4 percent. Perhaps more surprisingly, the penalty kill, perennially among the top units in the league, ranked 26th at 74.3 percent.

“Our specialty teams right now are something that’s not quite what we’re expecting,” said Neely. “And we’ve seen in the past, our PK has generally been pretty strong. So I feel pretty confident we’ll get back to that. We haven’t really changed that much personnel on the PK, so I think we’ll get back to where we were accustomed to.”

Neely remains confident this team can be successful, and he was buoyed by the way it fought back against the Blues.

“I liked our third period, considering the third period the previous game [an overtime loss to the Senators],” Neely said. “So I thought that was a great step in the right direction where these guys didn’t fold up shop and came out with a purpose to win.”
Not a good look here imo for Cam
 
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i wasn't a huge JDB fan, but that was a big issue with him leaving. the brass said they wanted to get faster and more skilled (rightfully so).
but they allowed a fast/skilled guy to leave via UFA and didn't replace him. on a team that was already slow. and they earmarked the $ for
a top 6 speed/skill winger and spent it on zadorov (or lindholm, you can toss him in there too).


geekie makes no sense on the roster post-debrusk because he's just another guy who isn't making the team faster. the ideal summer
was getting one of necas or ehlers (using ullmark return and whatever else), not taking on a $3M backup goalie, not playing chicken with
the starting goalie (ideally you sign him before trading ullmark) and continuing to build up the speed/skill quotient. instead, here we are.

i don't even think any of that is hindsight/revisionist history. it was just logic.
Ding ding ding. This is what i've been bitching about all season.

You can be fine with DeBrusk walking. He was inconsistent as hell and by all accounts probably didn't want to be in Boston anymore.

What you CAN'T be fine with, is taking the 5+ million DeBrusk got and giving it to a Nikita Zadorov who is good for one big hit a game, but like 7 other miscues that put him in the red in terms of contribution. That 5+could have gotten you a decent top 6 winger with actual skill.

It's absolutely not revisionist. Doubly so when they were already very narrow on the wing depth wise.
 
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It’s interesting looking at this last 9 game stretch where they have gone 4-1-1 against bubble and bad teams and were bitch slapped by Toronto, Carolina and Dallas.

The top 6 is all on the right side of the +\- ledger.

The bottom six, including the 4th line, is getting slapped around. Everyone but Koepke (even) is a minus.

I dunno if it means anything, but narratives are always interesting once ideas like “the 4th line is great” and “the top six sucks” get in folks head.

Of course, this leaves out the abysmal PP so not an endorsement of the top 6, either.
 
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Ding ding ding. This is what i've been bitching about all season.

You can be fine with DeBrusk walking. He was inconsistent as hell and by all accounts probably didn't want to be in Boston anymore.

What you CAN'T be fine with, is taking the 5+ million DeBrusk got and giving it to a Nikita Zadorov who is good for one big hit a game, but like 7 other miscues that put him in the red in terms of contribution. That 5+could have gotten you a decent top 6 winger with actual skill.

It's absolutely not revisionist. Doubly so when they were already very narrow on the wing depth wise.

I do think you have to take into account that I don’t think they were putting an ELC or vet minimum guy into Zadorov’s spot. It’s not as easy as “Zadorov for DeBrusk”. They would have had to dump salary elsewhere regardless. I was on the move Coyle while his value was high train…but I admit overrating of where Poitras was at played into that thinking. Of course, Coyle has been horrible which I don’t think you could have predicted either. Maybe not another career high season, but not this either.
 

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