Prospect Info: '24-'25 Prospects Thread: Generation Z

[eXile3]

Nobody should have a problem with McG killing penalties.

Well I do because I’m too used to being contrarian and right. It’s a curse.

 

[eXile3]

Here’s not a style comparison but a production comparison between Jake and Mcg

Guentzel

NCAA

GP G A P
37 7 27 34
36 14 25 39
35 19 27 46

First year of AHL .55 PPG


McGroaty

NCAA

GP G A P
39 18 21 39
36 18 36 52

First year of AHL .55 PPG

People trying to make McGroaty some generic grinder are crazy. He absolutely has the potential to be a productive top 6 winger.

 

[cookthebooks]

guentzel was a pretty big wildcard who hit. saying he has all these characteristics now as a hyper successful nhl all star as opposed to mcg who seemingly does not feels like some real inconsistency bias.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

guentzel was a pretty big wildcard who hit. saying he has all these characteristics now as a hyper successful nhl all star as opposed to mcg who seemingly does not feels like some real inconsistency bias.

Eh. It's not like his game completely blossomed out of nowhere. If he was 4 inches taller his draft year he's a fairly high pick. Size was a widely-known reason that he was available where he was since nothing about his game really jumped out at you otherwise.

To be clear this isn't me saying I think McG is destined to be a plug, just that I don't see the Guentz comp, even from a skillset projection standpoint.

 

[cookthebooks]

Eh. It's not like his game completely blossomed out of nowhere. If he was 4 inches taller his draft year he's a fairly high pick. Size was a widely-known reason that he was available where he was since nothing about his game really jumped out at you otherwise.

To be clear this isn't me saying I think McG is destined to be a plug, just that I don't see the Guentz comp, even from a skillset projection standpoint.

i hear you, but iirc the first time guentzel scored 30 at any level was when he blew past that number and hit 40 for the big pens. he had a ton of question marks around that clear level of skill

will say from a clear style of play standpoint though, they do seem like apples and oranges

 

[Solution]

Eh. It's not like his game completely blossomed out of nowhere. If he was 4 inches taller his draft year he's a fairly high pick. Size was a widely-known reason that he was available where he was since nothing about his game really jumped out at you otherwise.

To be clear this isn't me saying I think McG is destined to be a plug, just that I don't see the Guentz comp, even from a skillset projection standpoint.

If my memory serves me correctly, Shero said that with his brothers all being closer to 6 foot, they expected Jake to grow some more, but size was definitely why he fell.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

i hear you, but iirc the first time guentzel scored 30 at any level was when he blew past that number and hit 40 for the big pens. he had a ton of question marks around that clear level of skill

will say from a clear style of play standpoint though, they do seem like apples and oranges

Eh I think Jake’s DY made it clear you were drafting him to hopefully be a scorer

on style I’ve clearly made my point. I am not saying potential, or tools are similar. I’d recommend people queue up some YouTube but whatever.

Only thing I’ll say is McGroarty not this power forward Kunitz type he’s made out to be. He’s thrown some big highlight reel hits but he doesn’t have the skating to impose himself physically shift to shift and definitely won’t in the pros.

 

[The Old Master]

the jets have a kid at center that just put up 21 points in 8 games. wonder what he would cost us?

 

[deakka]

the jets have a kid at center that just put up 21 points in 8 games. wonder what he would cost us?

That one guy that scoring at a lesser pace than last season? No idea tbh.

 

[eXile3]

Eh. It's not like his game completely blossomed out of nowhere. If he was 4 inches taller his draft year he's a fairly high pick. Size was a widely-known reason that he was available where he was since nothing about his game really jumped out at you otherwise.

To be clear this isn't me saying I think McG is destined to be a plug, just that I don't see the Guentz comp, even from a skillset projection standpoint.

His ability to do those little slick passes through coverage are very reminiscent. The fact he succeeds on his hockey IQ. It would be very surprising if he is ever that good and no player is a one for one comparison.

 

[Darren McCord]

Only thing I’ll say is McGroarty not this power forward Kunitz type he’s made out to be. He’s thrown some big highlight reel hits but he doesn’t have the skating to impose himself physically shift to shift and definitely won’t in the pros.

Kunitz was not a power forward type at all, so I don't even get that comp.

Kunitz wasn't even big. Kunitz was a grinder who could play with skilled players. He played like a 4th liner but had high IQ. That are vastly different players.

 

[SEALBound]

Eh I think Jake’s DY made it clear you were drafting him to hopefully be a scorer

on style I’ve clearly made my point. I am not saying potential, or tools are similar. I’d recommend people queue up some YouTube but whatever.

Only thing I’ll say is McGroarty not this power forward Kunitz type he’s made out to be. He’s thrown some big highlight reel hits but he doesn’t have the skating to impose himself physically shift to shift and definitely won’t in the pros.

Neither did Kunitz though really. And Kunitz was hardly a "power forward". He was a top 6 wing that played with some grit. I think that's why the org liked McGroarty.

I think if you had 20 yo McGroarty next to 20 yo Kunitz (either today or 20 years ago), you're not seeing much of a difference. If McGroarty "doesn't work out", comparatively, I don't think it means Kunitz is a better player but rather the fact that the league evolved to a point where high-level skating was a necessity to succeed. If that ends up being the case, I don't think Kunitz would have had any more success than McGroarty in today's league.

But there are plenty of players who are still succeeding in the league despite not being super skaters. All Koivunen and McGroarty have to do is look at Mark Stone as someone who has adapted and overcome a less than stellar skating skill set.

 

[Randy Butternubs]