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Vaisanen is an old freshman but has 9 points in his last 10 games. Skating on the first pair it would appear. WMU is a top 3 team in the country.

The barrage of overage right shot defenders we took in the last draft all doing okay it seems.
 
Zero issues getting Hayes the ELC but I imagine they wait until the off-season, potentially later if we need the contract slots to facilitate moves. It won't change anything for him.
 
SEALBound said:
Zero issues getting Hayes the ELC but I imagine they wait until the off-season, potentially later if we need the contract slots to facilitate moves. It won't change anything for him.
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I mean it could. He could easily be signed by someone else. We don't hold his rights. Why wouldn't a team take a flyer on a 22 yr old almost ppg player?

Someone will sign him at seasons ends if the pens dont
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
Where was this reported?
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To be clear, it hasn't been reported by anyone in the know. It's my speculation.

SEALBound said:
Zero issues getting Hayes the ELC but I imagine they wait until the off-season, potentially later if we need the contract slots to facilitate moves. It won't change anything for him.
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There is an urgency to it because he can sign with anyone. The deadline is a natural point because the movement can create space, and the Pens aren't the only ones who will have room.
 
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Darren McCord said:
I mean it could. He could easily be signed by someone else. We don't hold his rights. Why wouldn't a team take a flyer on a 22 yr old almost ppg player?

Someone will sign him at seasons ends if the pens dont
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DesertedPenguin said:
To be clear, it hasn't been reported by anyone in the know. It's my speculation.


There is an urgency to it because he can sign with anyone. The deadline is a natural point because the movement can create space, and the Pens aren't the only ones who will have room.
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Well, technically, he can't sign with anyone until July 1st. We do hold rights until then just like any other UFA. No one else can sign him or talk to him until then, otherwise it's tampering.

What I was saying is that you can agree in principle to the ELC and the terms but explain the timing to the agent/player. Ask for flexibility so that the team has flexibility going into the TDL and potentially even the draft.

But I mean, if they do it early, I'm fine with that. Minute point really.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
To be clear, it hasn't been reported by anyone in the know. It's my speculation.
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Ah- then we will see. We did not sign Felix Robert in a similar situation (I know the stats for Hayes are better but this is a much better scoring WBS squad). Two way street too, Hayes may see this club as clogged up with other prospects vs Tampa or Vegas or whoever may be interested.

I think it’s prudent to try to sign him even if they don’t love his potential though. Show the future AHL contract guys there’s a path up the org chart if you perform.
 
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SEALBound said:
Well, technically, he can't sign with anyone until July 1st. We do hold rights until then just like any other UFA. No one else can sign him or talk to him until then, otherwise it's tampering.

What I was saying is that you can agree in principle to the ELC and the terms but explain the timing to the agent/player. Ask for flexibility so that the team has flexibility going into the TDL and potentially even the draft.

But I mean, if they do it early, I'm fine with that. Minute point rereally.
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The Pens don't own his rights, they didn't draft him. He's on an AHL only deal with WBS and free to sign with any NHL team.
 
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Ulf5 said:
The Pens don't own his rights, they didn't draft him. He's on an AHL only deal with WBS and free to sign with any NHL team.
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For some reason I thought he could only sign an NHL deal with the Penguins because WBS is an affiliated team? If he wanted to sign with, say, Washington, he'd need to wait until July 1st. Is that not the case?

You are correct in that the Penguins do not own his rights but I thought there were restrictions within the AHL contract?

You don't see AHL only guys sign with other NHL clubs and beat feet. Not sure I've ever seen that?
 
Randy Butternubs said:
Speaking of, any decent college UFAs out there?
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Just jumping off this to point out that after many years of attempting to supplement their prospect pool via undrafted free agents, for whatever reason, the Pens haven't actually signed any since 2022.

I don't know if there just weren't any of interest to the Pens, or the ones the Pens were interested in ended up not wanting to sign with the Pens, but it is a bit odd that it's been so long, especially since the Pens have had a number of UDFAs end up having decent NHL careers in the end.
 
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SEALBound said:
Well, technically, he can't sign with anyone until July 1st. We do hold rights until then just like any other UFA. No one else can sign him or talk to him until then, otherwise it's tampering.

What I was saying is that you can agree in principle to the ELC and the terms but explain the timing to the agent/player. Ask for flexibility so that the team has flexibility going into the TDL and potentially even the draft.

But I mean, if they do it early, I'm fine with that. Minute point really.
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The Pens do not have the rights to Hayes. He was not drafted. He can sign an NHL deal with anyone at any time.

SEALBound said:
For some reason I thought he could only sign an NHL deal with the Penguins because WBS is an affiliated team? If he wanted to sign with, say, Washington, he'd need to wait until July 1st. Is that not the case?

You are correct in that the Penguins do not own his rights but I thought there were restrictions within the AHL contract?

You don't see AHL only guys sign with other NHL clubs and beat feet. Not sure I've ever seen that?
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You don't see it happen because generally it goes one of two ways --
1. Player isn't good enough to get an NHL deal from anyone, including the parent club of the AHL team.
2. Player and NHL team are on the same page and the player is willing to wait.

It's a gentleman's agreement, just like the lack of offer sheets for so long. But that only lasts so long. If a team wants to be aggressive for some reason, they can change all of that in a hurry.
 
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Tough weekend for Wheeling, lost all 3. Murashov played Saturday and Monday, gave up 2 goals each game and takes 2 Ls. 35 of 37 on saturday, 28 of 30 last night.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
The Pens do not have the rights to Hayes. He was not drafted. He can sign an NHL deal with anyone at any time.


You don't see it happen because generally it goes one of two ways --
1. Player isn't good enough to get an NHL deal from anyone, including the parent club of the AHL team.
2. Player and NHL team are on the same page and the player is willing to wait.

It's a gentleman's agreement, just like the lack of offer sheets for so long. But that only lasts so long. If a team wants to be aggressive for some reason, they can change all of that in a hurry.
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I stand corrected then.

But to clarify, if someone was going to sign him, it would have to be for an NHL deal yes? Like Washington's Hershey Bears can't be like "we like you and want to sign you" and then stick him in Hershey. He'd have to sign an NHL (likely 2way) deal and then waive him to get him to clear waivers.

So it's in our better interest to sign him sooner than later but I imagine we've already had the talks with him. And if we like him well enough to do, we probably would have done it if we thought there were other teams sniffing around.
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Tough weekend for Wheeling, lost all 3. Murashov played Saturday and Monday, gave up 2 goals each game and takes 2 Ls. 35 of 37 on saturday, 28 of 30 last night.
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I'll take a 0.945 and 0.933 sv% any day.
 
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But to clarify, if someone was going to sign him, it would have to be for an NHL deal yes? Like Washington's Hershey Bears can't be like "we like you and want to sign you" and then stick him in Hershey. He'd have to sign an NHL (likely 2way) deal and then waive him to get him to clear waivers.
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I mean they can waive him. He would be waiver eligible still. So ya a team can do that anytime. I don’t think he would sign without giving the penguins a chance to sign him. But he definitely could.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
We never signed Beau Jelsma :ha:
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On elite prospects he is back playing for the Barrie Colts in the OHL, but last season played four games for the baby pens after the OHL season ended, and was with the penguins as a free agent invite for training camp this past fall. I read that he could be draft eligible again for the NHL draft this summer. (2025 NHL Draft: Top 10 Underrated OHL Prospects)

Story below from Barrie 360 on September 19, 2024
The Barrie Colts are expected to be without their captain until at least November.

Beau Jelsma, who was a free agent invite to training camp with the Pittsburgh Penguins, is expected to miss anywhere from four to eight weeks after suffering a shoulder injury in a scrimmage game against the Buffalo Sabres last weekend.

“He got hit,” said Colts general manager and head coach Marty Williamson who was at the game. “He got hit pretty hard and hurt his shoulder. It’s like a separation, so he’s going to be out 4 to six weeks or six to eight weeks. He’s out for a while.”

The Colts are expected to get a full medical report from the Penguins.
 
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