24/25 McDavid vs. 14/15 Crosby
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Randyne
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Fortunately for the Pens, those missed games by Sid gifted them PO spot.
2014/15: PIT P% w/o Sid .700; with Sid .591
If Sid played all games the Pens would lose their spot to Boston that year.
The Pens play better w/o Sid, they should send him golfing again if they want to play in the playoffs.
D Wakaluk
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"... and I took that personally".
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Anyway, yeah, sure.
Also, what, why, is there another grand scheme I'm missing here?
The grand scheme is slowing down the inevitable passing of Crosby by McDavid in the public’s perception
WalterLundy
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2024-25: ESG: 2.33, PPG: 0.59, SHG: 0.07
2014-15: ESG: 2.02, PPG: 0.57, SHG: 0.07
Actual 2014-15 Crosby:
77 GP: 28 G, 56 A, 84 P (1.09)
Adjusted to 2024-25:
77 GP: 31 G, 62 A, 93 P (1.21)
McDavid has not been great by his standards this season but it is still significantly better than what Crosby did in 2014-15. That year was a combination of a low scoring environment and top players failing in an epic fashion to produce. It was so abysmal for production that Jamie Benn won the Art Ross. It was an indictment on the league with how horrid it was. Crosby’s adjusted points per game would be around what Jack Eichel is at this season and he is 10th. Crosby’s season even in this year’s scoring environment is a below 100 point/82 game pace. Several players will blast by that number this year.
I will say that McDavid is having a disappointing season overall by his standards and that I expected far more this year but 2014-15 was probably the worst season that I ever watched. That was mind numbing and embarrassing stuff. His current season would still win the 2014-15 Art Ross comfortably even with 76 games max to play and this is his worst season since 2017 or 2018. Nobody is having an otherworldly year this season when scoring environment is considered for point production but it still far exceeds the disaster of 2015.
2014-15: ESG: 2.02, PPG: 0.57, SHG: 0.07
Actual 2014-15 Crosby:
77 GP: 28 G, 56 A, 84 P (1.09)
Adjusted to 2024-25:
77 GP: 31 G, 62 A, 93 P (1.21)
McDavid has not been great by his standards this season but it is still significantly better than what Crosby did in 2014-15. That year was a combination of a low scoring environment and top players failing in an epic fashion to produce. It was so abysmal for production that Jamie Benn won the Art Ross. It was an indictment on the league with how horrid it was. Crosby’s adjusted points per game would be around what Jack Eichel is at this season and he is 10th. Crosby’s season even in this year’s scoring environment is a below 100 point/82 game pace. Several players will blast by that number this year.
I will say that McDavid is having a disappointing season overall by his standards and that I expected far more this year but 2014-15 was probably the worst season that I ever watched. That was mind numbing and embarrassing stuff. His current season would still win the 2014-15 Art Ross comfortably even with 76 games max to play and this is his worst season since 2017 or 2018. Nobody is having an otherworldly year this season when scoring environment is considered for point production but it still far exceeds the disaster of 2015.
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So what you are saying is…if Crosby played all the games, they would be worse and fall to their P% with him in the lineup at .591 and somehow that would cause them to miss the playoffs to Boston and their .585 P%….is this what you are trying to say?
Randyne
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filinski77
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By comparing McDavids worst season of his career (or 2nd worst if you say his rookie season) to Crosby's 5th or 6th BEST season?
You can't be serious can you? Everyone knows the point difference, you just need to look up the standings. But you do realize, using your numbers, the difference between a .700 P% and a .591 P% over the 5 games he missed is 1 pt right? Or even easier, I'll remove as much math as possible....how can a .585 P% team get into the playoffs over a .591 P% team? Apologies for incorporating some math, but all you need to do is consider which one of those numbers is larger.
K Fleur
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The Pens definitely play better without Sidney Crosby.
That’s why they won all those cups in his concussion/broken neck years. The years they won the whole time I was thinking “man just think about how easy this would have been if Crosby wasn’t playing”. Then I farted into my hand, smelled it and was overcome by the high.
That’s why they won all those cups in his concussion/broken neck years. The years they won the whole time I was thinking “man just think about how easy this would have been if Crosby wasn’t playing”. Then I farted into my hand, smelled it and was overcome by the high.
McDavid has already passed him, I think most people already agree with that. The only thing holding him back from people placing him higher on an all-time list is simply longevity. I suppose if McDavid falls apart the last 10 years of his career you won't place him that high, but there is literally no signs of that happening. Just because he isn't dominating the scoring list doesn't mean he's falling apart. NO ONE, except Gretzky in the 80s, dominates the scoring list year after year after year. The all-time greats are all-time greats because they hang around the top each year pretty consistently.
You'll always have some that will point to Cups if McDavid never wins one, which I do place some value on, but that would only be a tie-breaker. I don't think we'll need a tie-breaker here. Maybe if Crosby didn't go through those injuries, but he did, so forget about the what-ifs.
ItsFineImFine
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If you're just talking about 2024-2025 McDavid then he isn't even the best forward on his team, Draisaitl looks more dangerous than him almost every time I've seen the Oilers this season and also far harder to play against. McDavid will make a few nice rush plays though each game at least.
It’s at best his 9th or 10th best season, not even counting the years like ‘08 and ‘11
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Randyne
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2 points.
Instead of 7 points they could earn only 4 with him and miss the PO.
When this is your counter
arguing the anti-Crosby side of relevant threads is all you got. Pity.
arguing the anti-Crosby side of relevant threads is all you got. Pity.
22Brad Park
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I think McDavid speed will always separate him from most players,but when comparing him to Crosby it has to come back to the Cups.Sid has 3 Cups & that matters.People can break down pts per game u name it but unless McDavid gets a Cup it's moot comparing them.
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