GDT: #24 - 11/26/17 | canucks @ RANGERS | 2:00 - MSG

[PuckLuck3043]

Vesey's play this year up until these last four games was that of a borderline NHL player. I'm not really sure how there is so much resistance to that statement. He was terrible to start the season. He really seems to have responded very well to getting dropped to the fourth line though. Looks like a legit north-south scoring threat of a bottom sixer right now. Hopefully this is him figuring his game out and finding his niche in the league!

I think he has the makeup of a good bottom six type. he has played well since being dropped down. He has pretty good hands and can pot 15-20 goals a year give you 30-35 points. Thats pretty good for a free asset even though more was expected of him.

 

[Machinehead]

Well if I learned anything today, it’s that Ryan Gropp can replace that third liner Rick Nash and Vesey isn’t an NHLer

And Tony DeAngelo can replace NHL defender Steve Kampfer.

Oh wait, that one is actually true.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Paul Carey has 3 points in 43 NHL games. If had 24 he'd be singing all the way to the bank with his shiny new contract.

Vesey is 2nd year player projected to be a 3rd liner in the NHL. Not sure what your expectations for him are, but you should probably lower them.

Paul Carey plays less than 9 per game, Vesey plays 5 minutes more per game than him. And I'm not saying Carey as good, I'm just using that as an example. Could Carey score at a similar rate getting 14 per game, some PP time, frequent stints in the top 9?

I was perfectly fine letting his play in this win speak, I'd prefer not to criticize players on the Rangers if its not needed, I usually criticize his play, but today he was fine so I didn't criticize his contributions in this game, but I absolutely will not stand for that guy trying to misinterpret the opinion of some of us, and mock us. My expectations are for him to play like a top 12 forward, doesn't score like a top 9 forward, doesn't defend or have the grit of a 4th line guy. Given our lack of options for the bottom 6 spots, I'm okay-ish with his role of late, although I wish he was more productive.

 

[Embryo]

Thanks, but I thought the Canucks were the better team.

You wouldn't know that by reading their GDT lol.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

There is like 3 of you who say he isn't an NHL player. Oh yea a mystery guest who PMed you to agree? Really reaching now huh?

I'm not going to tag anyone to drag them into this, but you and I both know I could tag at least 10-15 regular posters who do not view Vesey in the same way that you do.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I'm not going to tag anyone to drag them into this, but you and I both know I could tag at least 10-15 regular posters who do not view Vesey in the same way that you do.

But yet it's just you and the other guy vs everyone and nobody is agreeing with you. At least the other guy quit when he knew it was a losing battle.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

You wouldn't know that by reading their GDT lol.

It couldn't be worse than this board on any given night.

 

[Tawnos]

Very borderline, in my opinion. And that guy always misinterprets the argument of a number of us, its rather annoying.

You kind of have to be good defensively to be a 4th liner, not sure Vesey is that yet, but I agree its his best avenue to a regular NHL role. He could maybe be a 9th forward, but I'm not sure thats more than a 50/50 shot. If he can improve his defense, he could be a 4th liner.

You have to work hard and create some positive momentum as a 4th liner. Good defensive prowess is not a requirement.

 

[Fvital92]

Vesey is a good 4th liner who can play 3rd line minutes some days. Why people are fighting over this?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Paul Carey plays less than 9 per game, Vesey plays 5 minutes more per game than him. And I'm not saying Carey as good, I'm just using that as an example. Could Carey score at a similar rate getting 14 per game, some PP time, frequent stints in the top 9?

I was perfectly fine letting his play in this win speak, I'd prefer not to criticize players on the Rangers if its not needed, I usually criticize his play, but today he was fine so I didn't criticize his contributions in this game, but I absolutely will not stand for that guy trying to misinterpret the opinion of some of us, and mock us. My expectations are for him to play like a top 12 forward, doesn't score like a top 9 forward, doesn't defend or have the grit of a 4th line guy. Given our lack of options for the bottom 6 spots, I'm okay-ish with his role of late, although I wish he was more productive.

More productive? He's got 5 points int he last 8 games, same as your boy Buch who plays more ice than him and with better linemates. How come no crying about Buch being more productive over the same span?

 

[Harbour Dog]

lol, a 2nd year player had a slow start to his season so lets write him off. Makes sense.

5 Points in his last 8 games, same as Buch.

Who's writing him off? He has the potential to be a solid bottom sixer, but he definitely was not that to start the season. Probably because he was being played above his head.

I think he has the makeup of a good bottom six type. he has played well since being dropped down. He has pretty good hands and can pot 15-20 goals a year give you 30-35 points. Thats pretty good for a free asset even though more was expected of him.

Agree 100%

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'm not going to tag anyone to drag them into this, but you and I both know I could tag at least 10-15 regular posters who do not view Vesey in the same way that you do.

Vesey does get a lot of shit on here. He has played well the last 4-5 games. He scored 16 goals last year so I don't understand why people say the guy is not NHL caliber. He certainly is but it may be as a bottom six guy. Thats ok though. I can deal with a guy who can pot 15 a year on the fourth line.

 

[eco's bones]

Henrik with some hellacious saves and Vesey with some clutch scoring.

Again no one is saying Vesey is a top 6 guy but it's ridiculous to hear (or read) this b.s. over and over again that he's not an NHL player.....and he's not competing against Buchnevich though some seem to want it to be that way. They're on the same team trying to win games and more often it's Buch that makes the plays or scores the goals but not all the time. Sometimes it's other players and sometimes it's even Jimmy Vesey.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

But yet it's just you and the other guy vs everyone and nobody is agreeing with you. At least the other guy quit when he knew it was a losing battle.

Thats a lie, so we can just end this conversation here.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Who's writing him off? He has the potential to be a solid bottom sixer, but he definitely was not that to start the season. Probably because he was being played above his head.



Agree 100%

The guy who preaches in multiple threads that he isn't a NHL player.

 

[alkurtz]

I think our expectations for Vesey have been to high and we should not forget that he was a 3rd round draft pick. His skill level, as evaluated by scouts during his draft year, was as being, at best, that of a bottom-6 forward. His performance in college elevated his standing somewhat, and being that he did not sign with his drafting team and teams are always looking for bargains with undrafted or unsigned players, resulted in the competition for his services. Anyone who expected him to realistically be a top-6 forward was not objectively evaluating his skill level and skill set.

I think he is doing fine as a hybrid 4th-3rd line player who can play up on nights when he is on top of his game. I think of him as a glue-player: the type of player every successful team needs. This is only the start of his second year: his defensive awareness will improve with experience. If we think of him in this way: as a support player, I think evaluations will change. He has many good traits and overall, serves a needed function on the team. He will never be a star; never be a top-6 winger, but can carve out a decent career as long as he doesn't lose a step in his skating as he moves into his late-twenties. 3rd liners are needed. In today's NHL, 4th liners with some skill are needed. The criticism of Vesey is really, uncalled for. See him for what he is. See him for the role he plays on this team. Appreciate what he has accomplished and contributes.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

More productive? He's got 5 points int he last 8 games, same as your boy Buch who plays more ice than him and with better linemates. How come no crying about Buch being more productive over the same span?

You are now changing the conversation.

Its great that Vesey has 5 points in 8 games, hopefully he keeps it up. The conversation was his projection as an NHL'er, which isn't based on 8 games.

Buchnevich has struggled the last number of games. I don't know why you are changing the conversation though. Well, actually I do, it doesn't favor you after you started this discussion and made it about Vesey's projection. Funny how that works. You make this the conversation and since you can't back what you said, you bring up things that are totally unrelated to the bait you through out there.

Last thing, you can distort all you want, but even just in this thread, the posts are there for everyone to see about those who do not view Vesey like you do.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Thats a lie, so we can just end this conversation here.

Probably a good move since those "10-15 regular posters" don't seem to be anywhere around to agree with you.

 

[Embryo]

It couldn't be worse than this board on any given night.

That is absolutely true, on every Rangers board I've ever been on

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You are now changing the conversation.

Its great that Vesey has 5 points in 8 games, hopefully he keeps it up. The conversation was his projection as an NHL'er, which isn't based on 8 games.

Buchnevich has struggled the last number of games. I don't know why you are changing the conversation though. Well, actually I do, it doesn't favor you after you started this discussion and made it about Vesey's projection. Funny how that works. You make this the conversation and since you can't back what you said, you bring up things that are totally unrelated to the bait you through out there.

Nope, just find it funny you are all quiet on the Buch front but still continue to criticize Vesey when he is playing well. Makes it tougher to take your opinions serious since they are so biased.

 

[Fvital92]

On a sad note, Mikachu is not a ppg player anymore.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Nope, just find it funny you are all quiet on the Buch front but still continue to criticize Vesey when he is playing well. Makes it tougher to take your opinions serious since they are so biased.

King of moving the goalposts.

There was absolutely no conversation that took place about Vesey's recent play. You made a statement about something that is judged on way more than recent play, and you didn't even properly represent the position of the people you were mocking, which tells everyone that you are being disingenuous right off the bat.

Now, its somehow a conversation about recent play because you couldn't defend your position properly in the discussion you tried to bait others into. Argue with yourself about his recent play. I am not arguing about that, and don't feel the need to.

There is no relation in this conversation between Vesey and Buchnevich. They have nothing to do with each other. The fact that you are trying to make it so they do is just sad and tells everyone that for you this isn't a real discussion about the merit of certain viewpoints, its just a way to bait others into arguments.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

King of moving the goalposts.

There was absolutely no conversation that took place about Vesey's recent play. You made a statement about something that is judged on way more than recent play, and you didn't even properly represent the position of the people you were mocking, which tells everyone that you are being disingenuous right off the bat.

Now, its somehow a conversation about recent play because you couldn't defend your position properly in the discussion you tried to bait others into. Argue with yourself about his recent play. I am not arguing about that, and don't feel the need to.

There is no relation in this conversation between Vesey and Buchnevich. They have nothing to do with each other. The fact that you are trying to make it so they do is just sad and tells everyone that for you this isn't a real discussion about the merit of certain viewpoints, its just a way to bait others into arguments.

lol, keep changing the subject. Still waiting for all the "10-15 regs" so come to your aide and argue with you that Vesey isn't a NHL player.

I have nothing to change the subject about, you are the one that clearly is the wrong, and in need to defend yourself from multiple posters. (actually you have just ignored all their posts, which is funnier).

 

[SnowblindNYR]

lol, keep changing the subject. Still waiting for all the "10-15 regs" so come to your aide and argue with you that Vesey isn't a NHL player.

I have nothing to change the subject about, you are the one that clearly is the wrong, and in need to defend yourself from multiple posters. (actually you have just ignored all these posts, which is funnier).

He's an NHL player but very frustrating to watch. Like he's much better than a guy like Glass but you don't expect Glass to get chances or score.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

I think Vesey has been better lately, but still not what we expect. He is horrible mot of the time with the puck though