21/22 Roster Speculation Thread Part VIII

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The idea is: neither of them are good enough for that role presently, but at least one of them has the potential to be, so might as well go with him.
Yes, but it's just a potential, meaning if Dahlin can handle defender #1 minutes, then Jokiharju can't handle defender #2 minutes. Basically, they could only harm him with that. And we remember what ended up happening to Risto in a similar situation. I just hope they don't play Jokiharju with Dahlin anymore, at least for now.
 
Stringing together a 3rd W tomorrow will be a big win for the team. There's some good depth and the boys are playing inspired hockey.
They're learning that they're tough enough to not take shit from other teams and even be aggressors when they need to be and will themselves to victory. Absolutely f***ing love it.
The Kings game will be an opportunity to turn a corner. LFG boys!!
 
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Anyone want to take a wild guess as to the trio this stat line is associated with in the past 2 games?

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I don’t understand, it doesn’t make sense, what difference does the UFA make or not, if the goal is to properly develop young players. When Dahlin is paired with Jokiharju they both develop incorrectly, if they are separated they develop correctly, I thought everything should be done to ensure that young players develop correctly.
Bryson is the perfect partner for Dahlin, imo. They will occasionally get outmuscled in their own end, but the upside is you have two transition monsters playing together. I think that’s the right role for Dahlin. He’s never going to be a shutdown guy, so why anchor him with a guy that can’t keep up? With Bryson the forecheck can’t just double Dahlin, because JB will burn them. I would have never thought of it, but it seems obvious now.
 
Bryson is the perfect partner for Dahlin, imo. They will occasionally get outmuscled in their own end, but the upside is you have two transition monsters playing together. I think that’s the right role for Dahlin. He’s never going to be a shutdown guy, so why anchor him with a guy that can’t keep up? With Bryson the forecheck can’t just double Dahlin, because JB will burn them. I would have never thought of it, but it seems obvious now.
Well, Bryson looks much better and more organic than Jokiharju with Rasmus. Dahlin is already looking good defensively this season, I also liked Bryson's defensive game, not without mistakes, but he looked good at a distance, that is, they both can play at least average or maybe above average defensively and also both can do good breakouts, also I like that Dahlin became more angry and physical, which is also a plus for playing with Bryson.
 
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Bryson is the perfect partner for Dahlin, imo. They will occasionally get outmuscled in their own end, but the upside is you have two transition monsters playing together. I think that’s the right role for Dahlin. He’s never going to be a shutdown guy, so why anchor him with a guy that can’t keep up? With Bryson the forecheck can’t just double Dahlin, because JB will burn them. I would have never thought of it, but it seems obvious now.
Dahlin can also probably continue to be aggressive in the ozone, with a partner that can chase down a forward if there's a turnover
 
Bryson is the perfect partner for Dahlin, imo. They will occasionally get outmuscled in their own end, but the upside is you have two transition monsters playing together. I think that’s the right role for Dahlin. He’s never going to be a shutdown guy, so why anchor him with a guy that can’t keep up? With Bryson the forecheck can’t just double Dahlin, because JB will burn them. I would have never thought of it, but it seems obvious now.

It reminds me of the Dahlin-Brannstrom pairing that worked so well for the Swedes at the U20's. Granted, in that pair Dahlin was also "stout" guy given the size differences. I'm just shocked they've tried it after the last three sets of coaches who refused to ever, ever try anything.
 
It reminds me of the Dahlin-Brannstrom pairing that worked so well for the Swedes at the U20's. Granted, in that pair Dahlin was also "stout" guy given the size differences. I'm just shocked they've tried it after the last three sets of coaches who refused to ever, ever try anything.
I'm not sure how good Brannstrom is defensively, but Bryson could end up being Spurgeon 2.0 for Dahlin in the future.
 
Dahlin’s game is very, very similar to Lidstrom’s, which many of us have been saying for a while now. Lidstrom was never a rush the puck at hyper speed defender. His game was all brains and a lot of patience.

Here are his defensive partners over his career (primary partners for each season). You’ll see he was not really paired with a smasher or defense only type for long. He was with mostly puck movers. His Norris years are bolder.

91-92: McCrimmon
92-93: Coffey
93-94: Coffey
94-95: Coffey
95-96: Coffey
96-97: Murphy
97-98: Murphy
98-99: Murphy
99-00: Murphy
00-01: Dandenault
01-02: Olausson
02-03: Bykov

03-04: Schneider
05-06: Schneider
06-07: Markov
07-08: Rafalski

08-09: Rafalski
09-10: Rafalski
10-11: Rafalski
11-12:White
 
Dahlin’s game is very, very similar to Lidstrom’s, which many of us have been saying for a while now. Lidstrom was never a rush the puck at hyper speed defender. His game was all brains and a lot of patience.

Here are his defensive partners over his career (primary partners for each season). You’ll see he was not really paired with a smasher or defense only type for long. He was with mostly puck movers. His Norris years are bolder.

91-92: McCrimmon
92-93: Coffey
93-94: Coffey
94-95: Coffey
95-96: Coffey
96-97: Murphy
97-98: Murphy
98-99: Murphy
99-00: Murphy
00-01: Dandenault
01-02: Olausson
02-03: Bykov

03-04: Schneider
05-06: Schneider
06-07: Markov
07-08: Rafalski

08-09: Rafalski
09-10: Rafalski
10-11: Rafalski
11-12:White
Damn Connor Murphy has been in the NHL for a long time. :laugh:
 
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He looked great the first 20 or so games after we first acquired him. And he's been riding the good will from those 20 games ever since. He has his moments, but he's been trending steadily down.

He's way too young to give up on.

But we also can't automatically pencil him into the top 4 and expect good results.

Acquire a legit Top 4 RD

Joki as the bottom pairing RD is where I think he belongs until he proves otherwise. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Keep Bryson with Dahlin until it doesn't work.
 
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He looked great the first 20 or so games after we first acquired him. And he's been riding the good will from those 20 games ever since. He has his moments, but he's been trending steadily down.

He's way too young to give up on.

But we also can't automatically pencil him into the top 4 and expect good results.

Acquire a legit Top 4 RD

Joki as the bottom pairing RD is where I think he belongs until he proves otherwise. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Keep Bryson with Dahlin until it doesn't work.
Might just be a case of him deferring to Dahlin over time and then mentally checking out when the pressure is off him to be the go to guy on the pairing.

Maybe Sam would be his best fit for LD partner but I don't know if that's the team's best fit. Either way it would take some time to get that leadership mentality back.
 
It reminds me of the Dahlin-Brannstrom pairing that worked so well for the Swedes at the U20's. Granted, in that pair Dahlin was also "stout" guy given the size differences. I'm just shocked they've tried it after the last three sets of coaches who refused to ever, ever try anything.
Agreed, however, Dahlin was paired with all of the other defense-men and he made them all look good. The interesting thing is Brännström actually looked good without Dahlin too. None of the other defense-men did if I recall correctly. Especially Liljegren who looked downright horrendous without Dahlin.

In the Dahlin - Brännström pairing Dahlin was usually "stay home" while Brännström was the aggressive one. They were fun to watch and by far the best pairing of the tournament. I think the pairing with "perky" Bryson is worth investigating.
 
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