Olympics: 2026 U.S. Olympic Team

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Yes I was trying to remember if he could and he sure did at the WJC so kudos to him because that puts him a leg up over almost every other player in the hunt. I also so Pesce mentioned who I do like, and is a possibility as well since they brought him in late. Just not as dynamic as a few others would be.

Pesce would be a strong partner for Werenski, letting him play more of his rover style with less risk.

Hughes - McAvoy
Slavin - Faber
Werenski - Pesce
Sanderson

In ideal world though Slavin could anchor a pair with Hughes or Werenski and really let them run wild.
 
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Nelson was at least a step and a half behind Marner, and is not close to as quick of a skater. He was not catching Marner bearing down on the goaltender.

I don't know what coach would ever teach you to leave the puck carrier for a trailer at a bad angle.



He's on Marner's hip or would contest any type of play Marner does while Fox is doing some stupid ass back skate while Bennett blows by him, Fox is the issue on the play. I don't see how anyone can ignore that.
 
You’re blaming the wrong guy here.

Fox didn’t lose anyone. He was the unlucky guy defending the defensive breakdown (and I would say if you watch it back there are a lot of players doing the wrong thing).

Nelson was lax getting back (maybe he was tired or something) and was not getting to Marner. Bennett is the trailer there and Nelson has a decent shot to catch him but his indecision on where to go hurt him. Fox can’t abandon the puck carrier and let Marner walk down the middle of the ice to have a 1 on 1 with his goaltender.

And the Bennett shot wasn’t even going to come from a good angle. You’d much rather give up that than Mitch Marner in the absolute middle of the ice uncontested.

Realistically also, that’s a shot the goaltender should stop, so it’s beating to death a guy for being maybe 15% at fault on a goal for not stealing the puck clean when there are others who deserve much larger shares of blame.
Fox plays a shitty pass up the wall, is slow getting out to the blue line, turns the wrong way, and gets completely spun by Marner. A lot of guys could have done better, but he was the main culprit.

The same goes for the OT winner, where he takes an awful route behind the net for no f***ing reason and just completely takes himself out of the play.

He had a really bad tournament with a lot of major mistakes and didn't make up for it on the offensive end at all. He consistently looked behind the pace in a way that none of the other USA defenseman did. I get that it's a small sample but it's the only sample of international play we have and he hasn't been crushing it in the NHL this season either. It's by far the US' deepest position group and this wouldn't be a case of leaving him off for a Paul Martin in 2014 type -- he's pretty clearly on the outside looking in for me.
 
It's getting deep out there on the interwebs..ouch
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A lot of passengers today, need a big goal and none of them follow through. Heartbreaking.

My thoughts based on this tournament:

B. Tkachuk - Matthews - M. Tkachuk
Guentzel - Larkin - X
Boldy - Eichel - X
X - Miller - X

Hughes - Slavin
Werenski - McAvoy
Sanderson - Faber

Hellebuyck
Swayman
X

Cut:
Jake Oettinger
Brock Nelson
Jack Hughes
Adam Fox
Noah Hanifin
Vincent Trocheck​
Aren't there 25 roster spots? So 15 F 8D 3G?
 
You forgot Faber, he's in.

Otter is probably a bit harsh. Hughes will still be there despite his putrid showing. Hanifin may stick around but I wouldn't be surprised to see a guy with more offensive upside displace him, especially since we'll already have Slavin, Faber, and McAvoy.



There's a reason why you're arguing a point to me that I'm not making and it's because you've lost the plot. Please point to where I made a "wholesale determination that Adam Fox suddenly sucks." You're histrionic, bud.
Luke Hughes?
 
So just like Seth Jones was right? Right???😁

Also who would be your #8? Considering how this week played out hope we are allowed to bring 10d and 16f...

Good question. This is the rest of the group I think should be seriously evaluated between now and roster announcement:
  • Noah Hanifin
  • John Carlson
  • Neal Pionk
  • Adam Fox
  • Luke Hughes
  • Alex Vlasic
  • Ryan McDonagh
  • Lane Hutson
  • Dylan Samberg
  • Jackson LaCombe
  • Seth Jones
  • Mikey Anderson
I'd be biased towards a guy we could possibly count on for more offensive juice (e.g., Carlson, Fox Hutson, Pionk, Hughes) or someone who brings more physicality. These were the deficiencies from the 4-Nations team I'd like to see addressed. I'd take whomever is playing the best in those roles most likely with some other factors involved (e.g., would want to see Fox get closer to his previous peaks to balance out his 4-Nations showing).



Holy shit🔥🔥🇺🇲


f*** you, Bettman. Buffoon for depriving all of us of this for so long.
 
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Interesting read....I am not anti Fox or Gung ho Fox just felt he was fine overall. Apparently these numbers say he is elite this year (not the past week of course)..


Disclaimer: I don't get to watch Adam Fox a great deal, so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt. What I have watched of him is that he's a similar defenseman to Erik Karlsson. When he's producing and has control of the play, he's one of the best in the world at it. When he's not, he's at best a small liability.

I felt the same way about Keith Yandle (though "best in the world at it" is pushing it for Yandle, he's a peg or two down from that) when he was on the Coyotes.
 


Interesting read....I am not anti Fox or Gung ho Fox just felt he was fine overall. Apparently these numbers say he is elite this year (not the past week of course)..

I think the thing is that in short tournaments like this you kind of have to not look at the underlying numbers because the "one big mistake" (or two in his case) take on such an outsized importance.
 
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Good question. This is the rest of the group I think should be seriously evaluated between now and roster announcement:
  • Noah Hanifin
  • John Carlson
  • Neal Pionk
  • Adam Fox
  • Luke Hughes
  • Alex Vlasic
  • Ryan McDonagh
  • Lane Hutson
  • Dylan Samberg
  • Jackson LaCombe
  • Seth Jones
  • Mikey Anderson
I'd be biased towards a guy we could possibly count on for more offensive juice (e.g., Carlson, Fox Hutson, Pionk, Hughes) or someone who brings more physicality. These were the deficiencies from the 4-Nations team I'd like to see addressed. I'd take whomever is playing the best in those roles most likely with some other factors involved (e.g., would want to see Fox get closer to his previous peaks to balance out his 4-Nations showing).



f*** you, Bettman. Buffoon for depriving Dana of this for so long.
This was robbed from us for a damn decade. Wasted prime years of Kane and Crosby who could have given us multiple shows like this..The league will take a bow thinking they did great, but we know these idiots messed up for so long. So happy Americans watched this, now don't f*** it up and keep the momentum going.

Also mainly agree on the other dmen as well though I think Fox despite what some of you feel about him, is going to be there.
 
Fox plays a shitty pass up the wall, is slow getting out to the blue line, turns the wrong way, and gets completely spun by Marner. A lot of guys could have done better, but he was the main culprit.
Stop. It's at the end of the shift. That is a typical type of pass up the wall to have your forward tip it along into the zone, and for everyone to change.

The forward there is supposed to tip the puck or at least tie it up and make it difficult. Blaming his pass is completely reaching. It was like a B- level pass. It was not a "bad" pass.

Fox was expecting to change (like numerous other players) because he didn't expect Canada to emerge cleanly with the puck into the American zone in warps speed time. Of course he didn't initially have proper body shape to defend that rush. He shouldn't have had to defend it.

Calling him the main culprit is completely insane. He's probably like the fourth most to blame there (Hellebuyck, Nelson, the forward on the boards there, arguably the LW for just vacating the play because it would've allowed Hanifin to take Marner (as opposed to the forward who dragged him wide) and Fox to take Bennett.

You are essentially blaming a guy defending an odd man run for not making a hero play on the puck. Fox played it exactly as he should've. He took the puck carrier, didn't allow him to walk down the middle of the ice and get a shot, and forced Marner to pass it to the wide trailer at a bad angle. What he could've done better is time the hero play well, which is easier said than done.

The same goes for the OT winner, where he takes an awful route behind the net for no f***ing reason and just completely takes himself out of the play.
"Takes him out of a play" on a play where the goal being scored had literally nothing to do with him.

And what he was doing is trying to tie up (with a crosscheck) the forward standing in front of the goaltender. The right defenseman for Canada wound up to slap at the puck. Ended up being around the boards, but could've been to slap it at the net, and hope for a deflection in front.

The only mistake he made there was not anticipating the slap pass instead of the slapshot. But even if he makes the right read, I'm not sure how that makes a difference towards the goal. Once he moves over to the middle of the ice (which he should because Hanifin was not properly marking anyone), he's not getting back over there to cover the pass to McDavid.

The US team was unfortunately just dragged too far across the ice (notice Hanifin marking air), the puck got back across to the other side immediately, and Matthews and Hughes didn't really react with quick thinking which left McDavid open.

He had a really bad tournament with a lot of major mistakes and didn't make up for it on the offensive end at all. He consistently looked behind the pace in a way that none of the other USA defenseman did. I get that it's a small sample but it's the only sample of international play we have and he hasn't been crushing it in the NHL this season either. It's by far the US' deepest position group and this wouldn't be a case of leaving him off for a Paul Martin in 2014 type -- he's pretty clearly on the outside looking in for me.
What are these major mistakes? He quite literally had a positive defensive impact. He was only on the ice for two goals against. If he had these major mistakes, wouldn't it reflect in the analytics?

And how is he not having a good season? He's 8th in the NHL in P/GP for defensemen. Is that supposed to be bad? Oh no, he's 8th this year and not 4th (4-8 are separated by only .11)!
 


Interesting read....I am not anti Fox or Gung ho Fox just felt he was fine overall. Apparently these numbers say he is elite this year (not the past week of course)..

Fox is definitely elite at controlling play, he's just not big and fast so fans just don't realize it. This is where tracking data is very helpful, nobody is carefully watching every shift of every game, pausing, rewinding, etc. to really get a full appreciation of that sort of thing. Fox has basically been underrated his whole career because of it but stuff like tracking data really helps pain the picture to show why he has so many high Norris placements recently.
 
Vlasic is a fun possibility longterm. He’s always impressed and you have to like the upside of having a 6’6” shutdown guy.

As for Fox, he wasn’t bad and it’s clear he is a brilliant hockey player. I was mostly disappointed in the lack of offense. No Hughes was a huge opportunity for him to pick up the slack and he didn’t contribute any offense whatsoever.

I love how people are ripping the Slavin / Faber pair for getting caved in xG/CF. They were hard-matched against McDavid the whole night and they won their matchup. Fox took a bad angle on the Bennett goal and Matthews feel asleep on the McDavid goal. Advanced stats are so overrated.
 
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That adds to 26.
Fat fingers on a tablet my friend.



He's on Marner's hip or would contest any type of play Marner does while Fox is doing some stupid ass back skate while Bennett blows by him, Fox is the issue on the play. I don't see how anyone can ignore that.

Hellebuyck was in no mans land also. Decided not to come out and challenge. Good shot by Bennett but Hellebuyck backed in to his net practically.
 
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What are these major mistakes? He quite literally had a positive defensive impact. He was only on the ice for two goals against. If he had these major mistakes, wouldn't it reflect in the analytics?
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Is this the right body positioning to defend an odd-man rush? A good gap?
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Is this the kind of positioning you want to be in? All the way below the top of your own circles, off balance leaning forwards, taking neither the shot nor the pass?
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At the point of the shot, this isn't the best positioning by Hellebuyck but Bennett has a mini-breakaway from the hash-marks in and Hagel is still a passing threat on the opposite side. Bennett makes a great play -- it's like the Larkin goal in the first game where every goalie you talk to would say they should have it but any shooter knows that if you pick your spot you should score from that position.

And on the OT winner, by taking the long route around the back of the net he both 1) wasn't in a position to get to Marner in the corner in time, which forced Matthews into making a decision and 2) was unable to recover in time to get to McDavid when Matthews does make the (poor) decision to go attack Marner with the puck.

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This is the point that Marner gets the puck. If Fox is in front of the net like he should, Matthews doesn't feel the need to leave McDavid for Marner.
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Once Matthews does go, he's completely out of position to recover towards McDavid. Hanifin is tied up with his man in front, Hughes can't get a stick on it, and Nelson is taking his sweet time coming back to help on the back side. Game over.

The "one big mistakes" often don't show up in aggregate defensive metrics. Sure, without context Bennett's shot doesn't have a particularly high xG. Watching the clip though, it's an extremely good chance that I think is pretty clearly mostly on Fox.

Over the course of a season, everything for the most part evens out and your on-ice xG against will pretty accurately reflect the quality of chances you gave up. In short bursts such as a single game or tournament I don't think it does.
 
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Those facts make me think a coaching change is in order.

IMO, Faber looked slow on retrievals and struggled with their forecheck. He was great in 1on1's and did a lot of good things, not trying to pick on the kid, but overall I didn't come away thinking he was our best D (and should play 29 minutes in the final).

Boldy looked better early on. I thought our offensive rushes died on his stick last night. I'd keep him, he did enough good things to come back, but if he's leading the team in ice time we're going to lose.

It absolutely does. It's tough to overcome the mistakes in roster, lineup, and utilization that Sullivan and Guerin made. If those two are leading your ice time, firstly it smells of bias towards those players, and it also means you're probably not winning the game. I see both of those players every day. Your defensive-only pairing can't lead the team by that wide of a margin. It's a recipe to come up short in goals. The object is to score more goals than the opposition, not just spend 40% of the game hoping to not give one up (and it was hope, Canada wasn't short on chances with those two out there). It puts so much pressure to win that other 60% of the minutes (particularly when some of those minutes were taken by the atrocious 4th-liners). And then we have Boldy. There's a good Boldy and a bad Boldy. You can have either one on a given night, but never both. Bad Boldy is East/West hockey, turnovers, and uninspired play. Good Boldy is the exact opposite. Last night it was the Bad Boldy. The puck died on his stick. It's ridiculous that he led the forwards in ice time. There's no defensible argument for it.

What Team USA didn't do is come to play with all of their best players and those players playing the best minutes. Unsurprisingly it didn't work. What's sad is even a casual fan could have predicted that. These guys are our best option to build a team?
 
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