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Ok, so you don’t trust our scouts much and thus want to give them more shots to hopefully luck into a late round find. That’s what I’m getting from your last paragraph anyway and I think that’s the main difference in our views - our trust in our scouts.I like the wiggly charts much better.
You're kind of proving my point with your examples though. Philly obviously had Nesbitt in a tier above everyone else. In 2007, we clearly had Eller in at least the same tier as Couture. In 2008, every single team mis-evaluated Roman Josi. Call it hindsight if you must, but that's exactly the point. Maybe every scout in the league in 2008 just sucked. Or maybe it's really hard to scout 17-18 year olds. Just because you have a guy in a "higher tier" pre-draft, doesn't mean you've got your tiers right in the first place.
In 2013 we traded 3 picks to take William Carrier (a 3rd and 2 4ths). He's had a nice career, and none of the guys EDM took with the picks we sent them did anything at the pro level. That doesn't mean it was a good trade for us, per se. What if instead of taking Bogdan Yakimov with pick 83, they (or we) took Oliver Bjorkstrand instead? What if instead of taking Jackson Houck at pick 94, they (or we) had taken Jusse Saros, Miles Wood, Nick Paul, or Andrew Copp? What if instead of taking Aidan Muir with pick 113, they (or we) had taken Hudson Fasching or Tyler Motte? Again, Carrier has been a good NHL player and won 2 Cups. But would you take him over a Bjorkstrand, Copp, Motte draft class? I wouldn't. Because then, even if you go ahead with the ill-advised Ryan Miller trade and send one of those three to Buffalo, you still have two bona fide NHL players left over.
The trade charts mostly agree with me. In that Carrier trade, pick 57 was obviously the most valuable single pick involved. But the total value of the picks we sent to EDM was, depending on which chart you use, the equivalent of a free 48th, 71st, or 72nd pick going their way. E.g. in one chart, the value of pick 57 is 15.3, and we sent them 28.0 in pick value, which shakes out to a difference of 12.7, or the value of pick 71. Would they have accepted a deal where they weren't coming out on top? Of course not. But the trade chart agrees that they were correct to move back. That they squandered that surplus value is an indictment of their drafting, rather than the concept of moving back.
In 2013, these boards ranked our top-10 prospect pool like this: Tarasenko, Schwartz, Rattie, Allen, Jaskin, Carrier, Hakanpaa, Schmaltz, Edmundson, Binnington. Parayko was a distant 17th. That's a mixed bag that falls off hard after the first two. But it's not a bad pool! It's hard to think it wouldn't have been better if we had stayed pat in the 2013 draft and nailed those three picks instead of shipping a haul to EDM for the Carrier pick.
I've said it before, but I'm not impressed by draft success in the 1st round. That, to me, is the bare minimum expectation. Since 2021 when Feltrin took over, only one player selected outside of the first round has put on a Blues sweater in a regular season game: Kaskimaki. It's still super early, and we'll see how the more recent picks shake out, but right now it's not looking like anybody else from the 2021 or 2022 draft classes is going to make it (with apologies to Koromyslov). I still really like our prospect pool, for the record. But to me, that doesn't scream that our scouts know how to find those gems, and ought to be given surplus value to go shopping with to find the "right" guy.
I don’t necessarily disagree our hit rate after the 1st round hasn’t been great for a while. But it’s also too early to judge much of Feltrin’s hit rates, especially past Round 1 as guys taken later almost always take quite a while to make the league, if they make it at all. That said, the Blues have consistently hit on 1st rounders more than the average. Quite a bit higher actually. I’d actually like for them to try to increase their risk tolerance a bit in the 1st round, even if it would lead to a slight dip in the hit rate. That’s just a personal preference though - to swing for the fences more than try to continually hit safe singles.
And again, I’d just say that if Feltrin and his group aren’t showing to be among the best, I’d absolutely devote the time, money and resources to improve it - more scouts, better scouts, better data, analytics etc. Scouting and player eval is that important IMO.
At a point, you simply will have too many prospects and not enough spots for them all. Teams are only allowed 50 contract spots and there’s only so many spots on NHL and AHL rosters. Have too many and some will simply not make it because they’re all running into each other and some aren’t getting the opportunities to develop they should and would in a shallower org. So that’s another reason to not just load up on picks year after year and instead focus on quality over quantity.
The Blues in particular are currently positioned to where they should absolutely be prioritizing quality over quantity. We already have a ton of guys already at the AHL level with quite a few others on the way and have another 12 picks this year (5 more than the normal 7). Draft picks are assets just as much as players and prospects. They should absolutely be used to improve the team in whatever way the GM sees fit.
And I think it was Perry that said in a recent post that draft picks are valuable until they’re used and he’s absolutely correct. It’s funny how that works. Sort of how a brand new car basically loses half its value as soon as it’s driven off the lot. The value of those picks almost always seem to go down as then it’s just a maybe prospect. And then that asset either plummets to basically zero if the prospect busts or increases exponentially if the prospect hits, especially if he really exceeds expectations. This is especially true after the mid-1st IMO. So if other teams want to overvalue picks a bit on draft day, I’d absolutely be fine taking advantage of that.

