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I like the wiggly charts much better.

You're kind of proving my point with your examples though. Philly obviously had Nesbitt in a tier above everyone else. In 2007, we clearly had Eller in at least the same tier as Couture. In 2008, every single team mis-evaluated Roman Josi. Call it hindsight if you must, but that's exactly the point. Maybe every scout in the league in 2008 just sucked. Or maybe it's really hard to scout 17-18 year olds. Just because you have a guy in a "higher tier" pre-draft, doesn't mean you've got your tiers right in the first place.

In 2013 we traded 3 picks to take William Carrier (a 3rd and 2 4ths). He's had a nice career, and none of the guys EDM took with the picks we sent them did anything at the pro level. That doesn't mean it was a good trade for us, per se. What if instead of taking Bogdan Yakimov with pick 83, they (or we) took Oliver Bjorkstrand instead? What if instead of taking Jackson Houck at pick 94, they (or we) had taken Jusse Saros, Miles Wood, Nick Paul, or Andrew Copp? What if instead of taking Aidan Muir with pick 113, they (or we) had taken Hudson Fasching or Tyler Motte? Again, Carrier has been a good NHL player and won 2 Cups. But would you take him over a Bjorkstrand, Copp, Motte draft class? I wouldn't. Because then, even if you go ahead with the ill-advised Ryan Miller trade and send one of those three to Buffalo, you still have two bona fide NHL players left over.

The trade charts mostly agree with me. In that Carrier trade, pick 57 was obviously the most valuable single pick involved. But the total value of the picks we sent to EDM was, depending on which chart you use, the equivalent of a free 48th, 71st, or 72nd pick going their way. E.g. in one chart, the value of pick 57 is 15.3, and we sent them 28.0 in pick value, which shakes out to a difference of 12.7, or the value of pick 71. Would they have accepted a deal where they weren't coming out on top? Of course not. But the trade chart agrees that they were correct to move back. That they squandered that surplus value is an indictment of their drafting, rather than the concept of moving back.

In 2013, these boards ranked our top-10 prospect pool like this: Tarasenko, Schwartz, Rattie, Allen, Jaskin, Carrier, Hakanpaa, Schmaltz, Edmundson, Binnington. Parayko was a distant 17th. That's a mixed bag that falls off hard after the first two. But it's not a bad pool! It's hard to think it wouldn't have been better if we had stayed pat in the 2013 draft and nailed those three picks instead of shipping a haul to EDM for the Carrier pick.

I've said it before, but I'm not impressed by draft success in the 1st round. That, to me, is the bare minimum expectation. Since 2021 when Feltrin took over, only one player selected outside of the first round has put on a Blues sweater in a regular season game: Kaskimaki. It's still super early, and we'll see how the more recent picks shake out, but right now it's not looking like anybody else from the 2021 or 2022 draft classes is going to make it (with apologies to Koromyslov). I still really like our prospect pool, for the record. But to me, that doesn't scream that our scouts know how to find those gems, and ought to be given surplus value to go shopping with to find the "right" guy.
Ok, so you don’t trust our scouts much and thus want to give them more shots to hopefully luck into a late round find. That’s what I’m getting from your last paragraph anyway and I think that’s the main difference in our views - our trust in our scouts.

I don’t necessarily disagree our hit rate after the 1st round hasn’t been great for a while. But it’s also too early to judge much of Feltrin’s hit rates, especially past Round 1 as guys taken later almost always take quite a while to make the league, if they make it at all. That said, the Blues have consistently hit on 1st rounders more than the average. Quite a bit higher actually. I’d actually like for them to try to increase their risk tolerance a bit in the 1st round, even if it would lead to a slight dip in the hit rate. That’s just a personal preference though - to swing for the fences more than try to continually hit safe singles.

And again, I’d just say that if Feltrin and his group aren’t showing to be among the best, I’d absolutely devote the time, money and resources to improve it - more scouts, better scouts, better data, analytics etc. Scouting and player eval is that important IMO.

At a point, you simply will have too many prospects and not enough spots for them all. Teams are only allowed 50 contract spots and there’s only so many spots on NHL and AHL rosters. Have too many and some will simply not make it because they’re all running into each other and some aren’t getting the opportunities to develop they should and would in a shallower org. So that’s another reason to not just load up on picks year after year and instead focus on quality over quantity.

The Blues in particular are currently positioned to where they should absolutely be prioritizing quality over quantity. We already have a ton of guys already at the AHL level with quite a few others on the way and have another 12 picks this year (5 more than the normal 7). Draft picks are assets just as much as players and prospects. They should absolutely be used to improve the team in whatever way the GM sees fit.

And I think it was Perry that said in a recent post that draft picks are valuable until they’re used and he’s absolutely correct. It’s funny how that works. Sort of how a brand new car basically loses half its value as soon as it’s driven off the lot. The value of those picks almost always seem to go down as then it’s just a maybe prospect. And then that asset either plummets to basically zero if the prospect busts or increases exponentially if the prospect hits, especially if he really exceeds expectations. This is especially true after the mid-1st IMO. So if other teams want to overvalue picks a bit on draft day, I’d absolutely be fine taking advantage of that.
 
That’s selling Kyrou’s value extremely short IMO. Despite his flaws he is worth way more than moving up 8 spots in the draft.


It’s possible I guess. If Faulk got a 1st, 3rd and a good prospect, Maybe I’m selling Kyrou short. If he’s worth as much as you’re saying, he better be traded this off season imo.
 
That’s an interesting comp. Dionne was too before my time for me to have an opinion on that but I do think some of the comps being thrown around on Bjorck do perhaps sell him short a bit (pun sort of intended). The main comps I see are either Stankoven or Benson. Both are very good and I think most would be happy if Bjorck reached that level but I think his top-end potential is even higher. Neither Stank or Benson came remotely close at age 16 and 17 to what Bjorck has done.

Not saying he’s a for sure stud as being 5’9” will absolutely cause him some issues but his combo of hockey sense, skills and compete level is elite. It’s the sort of combo you see in superstars. I have him up to #3 on my list. He’d be #1 if he was 5’11” or taller.

Back to Dionne though - what was the average height of players back in his day? Had to be at least an inch or two less. But he was also 5’8” and Bjorck is an inch taller. Did his height hold him back at all?
 
It’s possible I guess. If Faulk got a 1st, 3rd and a good prospect, Maybe I’m selling Kyrou short. If he’s worth as much as you’re saying, he better be traded this off season imo.
If we do move him IMO it needs to a be a deal to bring in younger core piece. Not interested in moving him for even more futures for picks.
 
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I don’t necessarily disagree our hit rate after the 1st round hasn’t been great for a while. But it’s also too early to judge much of Feltrin’s hit rates, especially past Round 1 as guys taken later almost always take quite a while to make the league, if they make it at all. That said, the Blues have consistently hit on 1st rounders more than the average. Quite a bit higher actually. I’d actually like for them to try to increase their risk tolerance a bit in the 1st round, even if it would lead to a slight dip in the hit rate. That’s just a personal preference though - to swing for the fences more than try to continually hit safe singles.
I 100% agree that we've hit high on a lot of 1st rounders in recent times, but I disagree that we should be swinging for the fences more than we have been. If you take a look generally at the people we have drafted and position we drafted at, I would argue we swung for the fences with a normal amount of risk tolerance and in my opinion, we have generally drafted the best or better player available (within reasonable draft order). I mean just look at the names:

2016
26th - Tage Thompson (only people you would draft here are Kyrou which we did or DeBrincat)

2017
20th - Robert Thomas (I don't need to explain this one)
31st - Klim Kostin (could have drafted Hague, but we swung for Kostin who projected early to go quite high)

2018
25th - Dominik Bokk (swung for the fences in a truly bad draft, bad pick)

2020
26th - Jake Neighbours (best available player within reason)

2021
17th - Zach Bolduc (it was covid *shrug*, could have had Wyatt Johnston who played 0 games, but Bolduc has outscored anyone besides Josh Doan who was 20 picks after him)

2022
23rd - Jimmy Snuggerud (probably should go top 5-10 in a redraft)


I trust our scouts to get high quality players in the first, and I even trust them to get good bottom 6/bottom pairing players after the 1st -- hell I even trust them to draft goaltending. But as far as hitting big on rounds 3-7, we haven't done that very often in a meaningful way for the Blues. I would argue the only "big" hits we've had since 2008 (since I've started watching regularly) after the 2nd round has been Binnington, Parayko, and Hofer. The rest never developed into a mainstay for us here or have been role players.

I've been typing this up on and off for an hour and I forgot why I was replying. Whoops.
 
Fair point about how hockey was played in the 80s. The players probably weren’t quite as large back then but was definitely more rough back then.

It’s the compete level and Bjorck being an absolute gamer that will do whatever it takes to win that makes me not concerned with him being 5’9”. His stature is going to likely limit him a bit but it’ll be limiting him to star status instead of superstar status IMO. I feel pretty confident he’s going to end up one of the best players from this draft.
he was probably 5"8" with skates on....
 
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I 100% agree that we've hit high on a lot of 1st rounders in recent times, but I disagree that we should be swinging for the fences more than we have been. If you take a look generally at the people we have drafted and position we drafted at, I would argue we swung for the fences with a normal amount of risk tolerance and in my opinion, we have generally drafted the best or better player available (within reasonable draft order). I mean just look at the names:

2016
26th - Tage Thompson (only people you would draft here are Kyrou which we did or DeBrincat)

2017
20th - Robert Thomas (I don't need to explain this one)
31st - Klim Kostin (could have drafted Hague, but we swung for Kostin who projected early to go quite high)

2018
25th - Dominik Bokk (swung for the fences in a truly bad draft, bad pick)

2020
26th - Jake Neighbours (best available player within reason)

2021
17th - Zach Bolduc (it was covid *shrug*, could have had Wyatt Johnston who played 0 games, but Bolduc has outscored anyone besides Josh Doan who was 20 picks after him)

2022
23rd - Jimmy Snuggerud (probably should go top 5-10 in a redraft)


I trust our scouts to get high quality players in the first, and I even trust them to get good bottom 6/bottom pairing players after the 1st -- hell I even trust them to draft goaltending. But as far as hitting big on rounds 3-7, we haven't done that very often in a meaningful way for the Blues. I would argue the only "big" hits we've had since 2008 (since I've started watching regularly) after the 2nd round has been Binnington, Parayko, and Hofer. The rest never developed into a mainstay for us here or have been role players.

I've been typing this up on and off for an hour and I forgot why I was replying. Whoops.
This is true but I should clarify I was talking specifically about Feltrin’s picks. So not the ones under Jarmo/Bill Army. And what I had in mind when I wrote that was something Feltrin said maybe a couple years ago that made me think he prefers hits over going for bigger hits. Could be wrong but that’s the impression I got.

Agree he’s done well, as did his 2 predecessors, but there are a few times I can think where I would’ve preferred he go for a bit higher upside player.

2023 would be a great example. I liked Dvo but Perreault, Benson, Wood and ASP were right there. And probably Willander too. I recall a few of us were quite high on him a few years ago too. RDs always have value.

Stenberg and Lindstein were also safer type picks IMO. I like them both but I personally would’ve preferred swings at guys with a little more upside like Cowen, Ritchie, Nadeau, Unger-Sorum or Molgaard. I recall not being too high on Cristall at the time because of his skating but he absolutely had talent and is the type to take a swing on when you have 3 1st rounders.

Not saying Feltrin is doing it wrong but me personally, I think my risk tolerance is a little higher than some given some of the risk/reward calculations I’ve done and seen out there via the fancy stats folks.
 
This is true but I should clarify I was talking specifically about Feltrin’s picks. So not the ones under Jarmo/Bill Army. And what I had in mind when I wrote that was something Feltrin said maybe a couple years ago that made me think he prefers hits over going for bigger hits. Could be wrong but that’s the impression I got.

Agree he’s done well, as did his 2 predecessors, but there are a few times I can think where I would’ve preferred he go for a bit higher upside player.

2023 would be a great example. I liked Dvo but Perreault, Benson, Wood and ASP were right there. And probably Willander too. I recall a few of us were quite high on him a few years ago too. RDs always have value.

Stenberg and Lindstein were also safer type picks IMO. I like them both but I personally would’ve preferred swings at guys with a little more upside like Cowen, Ritchie, Nadeau, Unger-Sorum or Molgaard. I recall not being too high on Cristall at the time because of his skating but he absolutely had talent and is the type to take a swing on when you have 3 1st rounders.

Not saying Feltrin is doing it wrong but me personally, I think my risk tolerance is a little higher than some given some of the risk/reward calculations I’ve done and seen out there via the fancy stats folks.
Well, maybe, but we're still barely 3 years removed from that draft, so I don't know how conclusive it is that Dvorsky isn't the best we could have had at that time. Benson is obviously showing he is a good player, Perrault had a nice showing as well, but we could have a high end ROR with Dvorsky and don't know it yet. The other players I mentioned though - Neighbours, Bolduc, Snuggerud - I think those were pretty close to the best picks with the information we had at the time. Covid really f***ed up the 2020 & 2021 drafts, and we managed to do well with Neighbours and decent with Bolduc, which got us a RHD who may end up solid. You may be right about the 2023 draft which I concede, but by all accounts, our 1st round drafted both before and during Feltrin's tenure have been solid. Late rounds may tell a completely different story in the good or bad, but we'll have to see.
 
This is true but I should clarify I was talking specifically about Feltrin’s picks. So not the ones under Jarmo/Bill Army. And what I had in mind when I wrote that was something Feltrin said maybe a couple years ago that made me think he prefers hits over going for bigger hits. Could be wrong but that’s the impression I got.

Agree he’s done well, as did his 2 predecessors, but there are a few times I can think where I would’ve preferred he go for a bit higher upside player.

2023 would be a great example. I liked Dvo but Perreault, Benson, Wood and ASP were right there. And probably Willander too. I recall a few of us were quite high on him a few years ago too. RDs always have value.

Stenberg and Lindstein were also safer type picks IMO. I like them both but I personally would’ve preferred swings at guys with a little more upside like Cowen, Ritchie, Nadeau, Unger-Sorum or Molgaard. I recall not being too high on Cristall at the time because of his skating but he absolutely had talent and is the type to take a swing on when you have 3 1st rounders.

Not saying Feltrin is doing it wrong but me personally, I think my risk tolerance is a little higher than some given some of the risk/reward calculations I’ve done and seen out there via the fancy stats folks.
I remember a lot of people wanted Musty with that Stenberg pick. Still pretty good potential, but I like what Stenberg brings more.
 
It’s been discussed publicly a couple times that Kyrou wouldn’t waive his NTC for Seattle. How accurate or definite that is is unknown but the topic of Kyrou, his NTC and Seattle has been discussed by a couple of the typical STL talking heads (JR and Strick I think) with the assumption being the info likely came from Kyrou’s camp.
Am I remembering wrong g but wasn’t this claimed about a deal that didn’t happen from before he had that trade protection? I think this is a bogus report.
 
I wanted Lawrence for the longest, but now I'm hoping for Rudolph or Gus to fall and a center at 15. Wouldn't mind him at all though if that's the way the draft goes.
 
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Well, maybe, but we're still barely 3 years removed from that draft, so I don't know how conclusive it is that Dvorsky isn't the best we could have had at that time. Benson is obviously showing he is a good player, Perrault had a nice showing as well, but we could have a high end ROR with Dvorsky and don't know it yet. The other players I mentioned though - Neighbours, Bolduc, Snuggerud - I think those were pretty close to the best picks with the information we had at the time. Covid really f***ed up the 2020 & 2021 drafts, and we managed to do well with Neighbours and decent with Bolduc, which got us a RHD who may end up solid. You may be right about the 2023 draft which I concede, but by all accounts, our 1st round drafted both before and during Feltrin's tenure have been solid. Late rounds may tell a completely different story in the good or bad, but we'll have to see.
Not saying Dvo won’t ultimately end up the better player as yeah, we’re 5-10% into these guys’s careers. But I would pick those other guys over him today and think they fit the profile back in 2023 of riskier but likely higher top-end potential.

In the later rounds, I’d also shoot for potential homers over more safe guys. A safe guy in the 3rd or later might be a very bottom lineup guy or likely a AHL depth guy. A home run swing would be like the talented Russian that hasn’t played above the MHL, maybe he’s a string bean and isn’t sure what the defensive zone is yet…but man is he skilled. Lots of those guys will flame out but I’d rather go for some of those than the big kid that isn’t very talented but works hard that might be a #6-7 d-man if everything works out right.
 
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I remember a lot of people wanted Musty with that Stenberg pick. Still pretty good potential, but I like what Stenberg brings more.
I remember that too. I wasn’t one of them. He would’ve been a risky pick though so I see what you’re saying. But not all warts are the same. Some weaknesses can hamper the player or they can be improved upon or mitigated. Other weaknesses are damn near fatal flaws. IMO, Musty’s combo of low compete level, average at best hockey sense and clunky skating are a killer IMO and were a deal breaker for me.

IMO, a lot of scouts discount some players too much. IMO, Musty was correctly discounted. But a kid that’s maybe an inch or two below ideal height with average skating but he’s smart, skilled and works hard? Many scouts would seem to discount that sort of player to about the same level. IMO, the 2nd one is much more likely to make it.
 
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I remember that too. I wasn’t one of them. He would’ve been a risky pick though so I see what you’re saying. But not all warts are the same. Some weaknesses can hamper the player or they can be improved upon or mitigated. Other weaknesses are damn near fatal flaws. IMO, Musty’s combo of low compete level, average at best hockey sense and clunky skating are a killer IMO and were a deal breaker for me.

IMO, a lot of scouts discount some players too much. IMO, Musty was correctly discounted. But a kid that’s maybe an inch or two below ideal height with average skating but he’s smart, skilled and works hard? Many scouts would seem to discount that sort of player to about the same level. IMO, the 2nd one is much more likely to make it.
Yeah, I wasn't a Musty guy myself. I think I wanted Edstrom.
 
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Am I remembering wrong g but wasn’t this claimed about a deal that didn’t happen from before he had that trade protection? I think this is a bogus report.
It was like a week or two ago JR said it. So either he’s a moron or he has a good idea of what teams Kyrou would/wouldn’t waive too. TBH, I could see either of those being true but I lean towards it being the later. He does seem to get some info fed to him from players or their agents.
 
Yeah, I wasn't a Musty guy myself. I think I wanted Edstrom.
I recall liking Edstrom too but did have Stenberg higher. I then recall watching Jack Berglund a year later and thinking he was super similar and I really wanted him in the 2nd rd. He went mid 2nd, a few picks after Ralph.

That said, I like how Ralph has developed but Berglund was a monster with a high compete level. See Suvanto as a similar player but for whatever reason he’s supposed to go mid-1st.
 
So... I've been running scouch' draft simulator now and then to kill time. This time I had the most bizarre outcome. Imagine this would become real (not going to happen). Never had Carels so low. Never had Belchetz fall all the way to #29.


2026 NHL DRAFT SIMULATION RESULTS
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YOUR PICKS:
R1 P11 (#11) St. Louis Blues: Carson Carels (D)
R1 P15 (#15) St. Louis Blues: Tynan Lawrence (C)
R1 P29 (#29) St. Louis Blues: Ethan Belchetz (LW)
R3 P9 (#73) St. Louis Blues: Tomas Chrenko (C)
R3 P11 (#75) St. Louis Blues: Luke Schairer (D)
R3 P12 (#76) St. Louis Blues: Jonah Sivertson (F)
R4 P11 (#107) St. Louis Blues: Oscar Holmertz (C)
R4 P27 (#123) St. Louis Blues: Malcom Gästrin (F)
R5 P11 (#139) St. Louis Blues: Landon Nycz (D)
R5 P22 (#150) St. Louis Blues: Anttoni Uronen (F)
R6 P11 (#171) St. Louis Blues: Max Isaksson (C)
R7 P11 (#203) St. Louis Blues: Adam Levac (C)
 
Does anybody here live on the IL side and does IL gambling apps allow you to bet on the draft?

On the MO side I can’t place any bets and I’m intrigued to bet on Bjorck going various places in the top 10 depending on the odds.

Before I drive to East St. Louis and leave without a happy ending I figured I would just see if anybody here knows the answer, ha.
 
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So... I've been running scouch' draft simulator now and then to kill time. This time I had the most bizarre outcome. Imagine this would become real (not going to happen). Never had Carels so low. Never had Belchetz fall all the way to #29.


2026 NHL DRAFT SIMULATION RESULTS
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YOUR PICKS:
R1 P11 (#11) St. Louis Blues: Carson Carels (D)
R1 P15 (#15) St. Louis Blues: Tynan Lawrence (C)
R1 P29 (#29) St. Louis Blues: Ethan Belchetz (LW)
R3 P9 (#73) St. Louis Blues: Tomas Chrenko (C)
R3 P11 (#75) St. Louis Blues: Luke Schairer (D)
R3 P12 (#76) St. Louis Blues: Jonah Sivertson (F)
R4 P11 (#107) St. Louis Blues: Oscar Holmertz (C)
R4 P27 (#123) St. Louis Blues: Malcom Gästrin (F)
R5 P11 (#139) St. Louis Blues: Landon Nycz (D)
R5 P22 (#150) St. Louis Blues: Anttoni Uronen (F)
R6 P11 (#171) St. Louis Blues: Max Isaksson (C)
R7 P11 (#203) St. Louis Blues: Adam Levac (C)
I would let Tony Feltrin start trading up after a draft like this
 

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