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2026 Conn Smythe Winner is: Jordan Staal

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That's nonsense. Stankoven's line was absolutely dominant 5v5. Hall finished the playoffs with 22GF 8GA at 5v5. Staal was 12GF vs 6GA, Stankoven 22GF 13GA. Yes Staal got harder defensive matchups and centers are "more important" but really what happened is voters couldn't decide who on Stankoven's line was the driver, which is too bad. Seems pretty easy to give it to the guy who was PPG, +14 5v5 in 19 games and played with an edge too.

Not giving them credit for defensive play because the team is good is such a bizarre argument. They're 3/5 skaters on the ice! Several times in the last game Stankoven's line got caught icing it and had to play against a fresh Eichel unit and they turned it around into a rush the other way. They hardly spent time in their own end because they were clinical with breakouts and board battles. That's defence for you.

Miller was great, no argument there, but so was Gostisbehere - playing easier minutes, yeah, but mostly with Nikishin who was probably the weakest link in the D and also LH to boot.
Goal differential is an absolutely abysmal way to evaluate defensive play. As you yourself point out, different lines get different types of deployment, some more favorable than others. It's why we often see 3rd pairing Dmen on dominant teams have sky-high +/- numbers, despite being mediocre players at best.

Taylor Hall averaged 16:29 min of icetime in these playoffs, 8th among his own team's forwards. Largely because he was not as reliable defensively as most of the Canes' (admittedly excellent) forward corps. He wasn't used on the Canes' PK (which was outstanding, and one of the main reasons for their win) and wasn't used as often when the Canes needed to defend leads (which is what they did for most of the playoffs). Certainly the Canes' coaching staff didn't seem to feel like he was the most valuable player on the team. The thought of him winning the Smythe with this little icetime is a bit absurd; even Justin Williams, the worst Smythe pick of this millenium, played more per game than him. Stankoven I wouldn't have minded as much, because at least he's a more active, involved player, but I still think Staal was a more important player for this team.

It's the exact same case with Miller/Ghostisbehere. I actually like Ghost, but if you genuinely think he was more valuable to the Canes than Miller, all because he has 3 more points (which is little considering he was the team's PP1 guy), I question whether you're actually watching the games or just the stat sheet.

This is very reminiscent of the 2016 Conn Smythe discussion. And while I thought Letang would also have been deserving, I think they were right to give it to Crosby instead of Kessel, even if that 3rd line was terrific. The guy who handles the hardest assignments and wins them is more valuable to the team than the guys who feast with more favorable deployments.
 
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Yes every game mattered, thats why Marner being Manti Teo's GF in the final 3 games disqualified him from winning. You can't only show up in half the final games and expect to win.

half his points came in one game of the finals.
Then Staal should be disqualified for being much less effective offensively in other rounds and getting carried by teammates.
Either it's a full playoff award or it's not.

If people value performance in the Finals 3x more than other rounds (totally ridiculous) then just make it a Finals award. The NBA has one.
Add that filter to the definition, so you don't trick players and fans into believing what they do matters in R1 to R3.
 
Why should two games sink him when he was dominant early in the series and in 3 other rounds? Because those happened at the end and were more dramatic?
As if game 1 doesn't count the same as game 6?
That makes no sense. This isn't a movie. Reward players for their efforts.
I guarantee you Marner doesn’t want that shit
 
Marner had 8 points in these Finals. It was just front-loaded.
Besides, like I said all rounds are equal. You can't win the Cup unless you win 4 of them. You don't just magically skip to the Finals.
Everything counts. Everything matters.

You’re right. Everything matters. And Staal shut down the star players on Ottawa, Philly and Montreal. And then put up 6 goals in the Final series while shutting down Vegas’ best players in the games that pulled them into the Cup win.
 
Should have gone to Blake. He was the one generating the most (and highest quality) offensive chances and that line could have scored even more if the other two had been ready for some of the ridiculous passes that Blake was able to make. Still, full credit to Hall and Stankoven, especially for being absolute dogs when it came to retrieving pucks and doing the heavy lifting physically. Blake was just the most impressive of that trio, his offensive vision and processing is already exceptional. Star in the making, heck, you could argue he already is after tonight.
 
20 years since his brother lifted the cup on the same team.

As a fan of hockey this one just feels good, i remember how hype his rookie season was with the upstart pens congrats canes fans this has been a long time coming
 
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Then Staal should be disqualified for being much less effective offensively in other rounds and getting carried by teammates.
Either it's a full playoff award or it's not.

If people value performance in the Finals 3x more than other rounds (totally ridiculous) then just make it a Finals award. The NBA has one.
Add that filter to the definition, so you don't trick players and fans into believing what they do matters in R1 to R3.
Finals were Carolinas only test, Obviously these games should factor more.
 
I have always had a problem with this bs. Even when my Penguins won in 2016 I felt Couture deserved it over Crosby. Actually I know he did.

If there's that strong of a bias towards winners, despite losing players often showing more value (the definition of the trophy) then change the definition.
Make it winning team players only. Stop deceiving people into thinking losers have a chance.
I mean I'll definitely give you full credit for consistency on this. I'd have had no problem with Marner winning. That said Staal was absolutely elite defensively throughout this run and a record tying SCF performance kinda set him up for this. The number that other teams top lines put up against the Canes with the exception of 1 period against Montreal is absolutely nuts.

Had Hall had a stronger SCF I think he'd have won it tbh.
 
I don’t think the eastern conference teams they faced were as bad compared to Vegas as they were inexperienced. Vegas was seasoned. All three eastern conference opponents were basically playoff noobs.

2 of the 3 teams Carolina played in the first 3 rounds made the playoffs last year.
1 of the 3 teams Vegas played in the first 3 rounds made the playoffs last year.

Vegas played more inexperienced teams than Carolina.
 
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Reminds me of Niedermayer Smythe. It was more about the team and they just award it to the C. Who admittedly had good playoffs and fantastic finals.

Marner likely wins it had he score few more points and goals.
 
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2 of the 3 teams Carolina played in the first 3 rounds made the playoffs last year.
1 of the 3 teams Vegas played in the first 3 rounds made the playoffs last year.

Vegas played more inexperienced teams than Carolina.
I was replying to the the reasoning why Vegas was Carolina’s only true test.
 
Reminds me of Niedermayer Smythe. It was more about the team and they just award it to the C. Who admittedly had good playoffs and fantastic finals.

Marner likely wins it had he score few more points and goals.

They might have won the series if he did that. He wasn't going to win it with 29 points when both Draisaitl and McDavid had 33 points last year and weren't even considered.
 
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I mean I'll definitely give you full credit for consistency on this. I'd have had no problem with Marner winning. That said Staal was absolutely elite defensively throughout this run and a record tying SCF performance kinda set him up for this. The number that other teams top lines put up against the Canes with the exception of 1 period against Montreal is absolutely nuts.

Had Hall had a stronger SCF I think he'd have won it tbh.
Even if Hall won it, that's still wrong.
Marner had very high level defense throughout these playoffs too.

I think it's just about appearances. It looks bad when the award is presented to a loser, like with Giguere.
So voters want the happy story. But I think they've totally abandoned any concept of fairness and need to be replaced.

Maybe change the system entirely, where only 10 trusted, proven objective people vote or something.
It can't be like this. This is a low point for the Smythe.

No Finals performance disparity should erase a 17 point gap in the playoffs, especially when the Vegas player was a 2-way force.
It's staggering that they do this and a lot of people roll with it because Vegas, as a team, won 2 fewer games.
That makes zero sense and it never will be right.
 
Glad the voters didn't make the Conn Smythe the postseason Art Ross. Staal was a moose. He creates chaos for the other team when he sets up in front of the goalie in the ozone. He made a lot of hits and scored goals in the finals. He also made some great plays on the backcheck. His overall impact was deserving of the award.
 
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12 points in 19 games, 7 of which came against Vegas.

Genuinely thought he would have had better numbers.
Yeah. I'm all for weighing defensive contributions evenly for the trophy.
But let's not pretend Marner wasn't great defensively too, on top his gigantic lead in points.

This is what should have been one of the most clear cut winners ever and they still got it wrong.
 
Glad the voters didn't make the Conn Smythe the postseason Art Ross. Staal was a moose. He creates chaos for the other team when he sets up in front of the goalie in the ozone. He made a lot of hits and scored goals in the finals. He also made some great plays on the backcheck. His overall impact was deserving of the award.
And Marner did nothing apart from points?
 
They might have won the series if he did that. He wasn't going to win it with 29 points when both Draisaitl and McDavid had 33 points last year and weren't even considered.
Yeah. I think he needs to get over 35-ish points and around 15 goals. He wasn't winning the Smythe when Knights lost in 6 either. Needs to be a 7 game series.
 

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