I did not plan on making German dick jokes today, but Jack Eichel needs to play for one of these coaches to complete things.I put it into a translation app to see what you meant. Yeah, we Murakins say it "Knob-lock".
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Don't get me wrong, I do think that there is a possibility that some form of language like that could have been a part of the contract.
But going on a podcast with a whole "whoa is me" attitude and saying this makes me think that it's not the full story.
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I'm sure that every single NHL coach has a similar clause in their contract. That's why teams have to give formal permission for their coaches to interview with other teams. It's not a RULE that they HAVE to grant that permission, but until now it's been a token formality. To my knowledge, what Vegas is doing has never happened before, and while it is technically their right under the contract, it's breaking one of those unofficial hockey rules of basic respect and courtesy that everyone agrees to follow. Someday, playing that game is going to bite Vegas in the ass, and I'm warming up the popcorn for that day.
No, he's not a bad coach by any means, but I don't think he's a great coach either. His one Cup win came in a crazy, fluke season where absolutely no one knew what they were doing and it was wide open from the start, and his stints since then have been diminishing returns. The Rangers were always a mirage IMO but he did very little to try and fix what plagued them. I liked him when he was coaching the Isles but since then I've been pretty disappointed with him since.
One story that always annoys me is that on at least one occasion he decided to go with an 11-7 lineup but really hates having to rotate that 7th defender in, so he just conveniently forgot about the guy and left him on the bench the whole game. I swear it happened more than once but that one time it happened, the extra guy was Jonas Siegenthaler, who was later dealt to NJ for a pretty paltry return. Now, Siegenthaler's game appears to have run aground lately but for a few years there he was a tremendous defenseman.
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The no-compete protects the organization.
The contract protects the coach as in he gets paid even if he gets fired.
Hasn’t Vegas gone on record stating that they’re not allowing Cassidy to talk to other teams? That alone proves Cassidy cannot work for another team until Vegas approves, or his contract is up.
I’ve had non-compete clauses in my contracts. They basically said I couldn’t poach any of my existing clients for 2 years. It didn’t matter if I quit, or resigned, or was fired. The 2 years started when I officially was no longer an employee.
In Cassidy’s case, his non-compete is essentially the length of his contract.
The contract protects the coach as in he gets paid even if he gets fired.
Hasn’t Vegas gone on record stating that they’re not allowing Cassidy to talk to other teams? That alone proves Cassidy cannot work for another team until Vegas approves, or his contract is up.
I’ve had non-compete clauses in my contracts. They basically said I couldn’t poach any of my existing clients for 2 years. It didn’t matter if I quit, or resigned, or was fired. The 2 years started when I officially was no longer an employee.
In Cassidy’s case, his non-compete is essentially the length of his contract.
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I don't think this is entirely accurate
The NHL (Daly specifically) addressed the situation prior to the Stanley Cup finals starting. Daly said that the NHL has no problem with what Vegas is doing as they are within their contractual rights. Then he said that the language within coaches' contracts vary from team to team and, in Cassidy's contract, there is language preventing him from moving. If you read in between the lines, the NHL is hinting to coaches' agents for any future contracts to make sure that the right language is included to ensure freedom of movement if not actually in the role
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Pagnotta reported (and Friedman confirmed in a recent podcast) that Vegas had previously blocked an AHL coach from moving on to a better position:
Vegas once blocked Oilers from hiring AHL coach: Pagnotta
<p>Insider Dave Pagnotta says the Vegas Golden Knights have denied the Edmonton Oilers before when it comes to coaches. Pagnotta appeared on Daily Faceoff’s The Sheet Friday morning to talk about the ongoing Bruce Cassidy situation, of which there is no update, but he did share new information...
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The meme potential of Babcock returning is just off the charts
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Not as bas as it seems:Pagnotta reported (and Friedman confirmed in a recent podcast) that Vegas had previously blocked an AHL coach from moving on to a better position:
Vegas once blocked Oilers from hiring AHL coach: Pagnotta
<p>Insider Dave Pagnotta says the Vegas Golden Knights have denied the Edmonton Oilers before when it comes to coaches. Pagnotta appeared on Daily Faceoff’s The Sheet Friday morning to talk about the ongoing Bruce Cassidy situation, of which there is no update, but he did share new information...
“They were granted permission. The interview took place. This individual got offered an assistant coaching job with the Oilers. Vegas then denied that pursuit and held on to the contract. He was then elevated within the organization about a year or so later.
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Because in every single previous case, the former club is:
- Willing to let the coach interview elsewhere after being fired, just because it's the right thing to do. Same way, it was the right thing for the Avs to let CMac go to Nashville, when they presented him with such an opportunity that the Avs could never in a million years match.
- Willing to let the coach interview elsewhere, because they can then get out of that contract.
What Vegas is doing is unprecedented because
- They don't give a f*** about how they are perceived by anyone
- Their owner is perfectly happy paying someone not to work. At first, you might think that Bill Foley is simply that competitive and wants to prevent Cassidy from going to a rival. What I think is becoming more apparent, is that the owner Foley and Cassidy have had a MAJOR clash, and he's seeing to it personally that Cassidy is not going to work as long as he can prevent it.
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He’s not even messed up, just very old school. There are stories about Scotty Bowman from back in the day that would make Babcock look tame.
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Is he? Those Red Wings teams that he won with were stacked. So was Canada. His last playoff round win is what, in 2013? He hasn't coached in 6 years.
There are old-school guys like Torts, who manage not to be complete and utter shitheads.
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And a few more who very much like the guy. Can't say the same for Babs with anyone though.
Tortorella treats the media like shit. But that's not personal, it's just the media as a whole. And it's more about arrogance, and refusing to work with the media, and pitting them against him, the players, and the team.
Babcock literally used bullying as a tactic, and it has left some deep scars with some people, like Franzen. Think about it, 24 hours since the Dreger report. Has anyone come out and defended Babcock as a person, or even as a coaching hire?
Babcock is obviously a good coach but I think his mystique gets wildly overblown. I don't think he's elite by any means.
Despite the fact that Torts is an asshole, I don't really think he's a bad person. Babcock absolutely is.
Despite the fact that Torts is an asshole, I don't really think he's a bad person. Babcock absolutely is.
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Torts speaks out his mind, and sometimes it ain't pretty. But I've never heard that this stuff was in any way personal. It was always about performance. Babcock absolutely went into personal stuff, pitted teammates against each other and whatnot.
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Ok, let's adjust my wording here.We're talking about John Tortorella here?
Tortorella might be a shit head. Babcock is a literal psychopath, narcissist, and a trash human being. For every person that comes out saying that Torts is a bad guy there's another who tells that he's a great guy. With Babcock, he has no defenders.
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The last time he won a playoff series, Chuck Kobasew played for the Avalanche.
1-7 in playoff series since 2012. Many of those losses coming with prime Marner-Matthews.
I always associate Babcock with his early Detroit years. His controversies have washed away my memories of all his postseason choke jobs.
Yeah, there are plenty of players who absolutely loved playing for him despite his extremely gruff demeanor. EJ relayed a fun story during an ESPN segment about the time he was in Philly and he was messing around in the background while his teammates were getting interviewed.
Babcock time and time again has shown he cares more about power and control than he does winning. He'd rather ice a shitty team than one that doesn't do exactly what he wants. There's also plenty of stories where he went out of his way to bully and insult players, apparently he even does so with players whom he did not coach.
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Unfortunately he does, just not among players. Jim Montgomery sings the man's praises and said he seeks his counsel on the regular. That alone made me lose a TON of respect for Monty.
There are plenty of people on the front office/ownership/coaching side who still think he's a genius.
Compare that with guys like Chris Chelios who get visibly angered the moment his name comes up. He saw firsthand what Babcock did to guys like Johan Franzen.
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Disagree. There is specific language in every coach's contract that determines what happens if the coach is no longer running the team, but gets hired elsewhere at lower salary. It's in this section of the contract that provisions about permissions and salary offset are contained
The fact that Cassidy's contract didn't have the correct language so that he can pursue work if he were to be relieved of his duties is on his agent
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I’m not sure it has anything to do with the agent. Again, these non-compete clauses for coaches and management is pretty standard. It’s very likely written extremely similarly across the board.
It just so happens that there have been very few instances where an organization actually enforces the non-compete clause.
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