Speculation: 2025 Trade/Free Agency Thread

If we're trading Zegras it need to be packaged for a first line player. No prospects and picks

Zebras, the 9th pick and one of our D prospects should be able to get us something good for instance
 
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If we're trading Zegras it need to be packaged for a first line player. No prospects and picks

Zebras, the 9th pick and one of our D prospects should be able to get us something good for instance
IMO only a select few teams in the league would have interest in Zegras right now (Nashville, Philly, Boston, NYI would be my best guesses). Those teams all have one thing in common...they don't have much to offer.
Making things worse, his salary is quite high relative to his production and he becomes an RFA with arbitration rights after next season. Depending on what you consider "something good" I think you are going to be disappointed in the return.
 
I know potentially signing Marner has been beaten to death on this board, and although I think it is highly unlikely he actually signs here, the possibility made me wonder....would having an elite talent like that elevate some of our younger guys into elite status as well?

Would Marner playing alongside Gauthier turn him into a 45-50 goal player? And Carlsson into a 100 point player?

Gauthier-Carlsson-Marner
Zegras-McTavish-Sennecke
Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Killorn-Gaucher-Colangelo

A guy can dream.
 
I know potentially signing Marner has been beaten to death on this board, and although I think it is highly unlikely he actually signs here, the possibility made me wonder....would having an elite talent like that elevate some of our younger guys into elite status as well?

Would Marner playing alongside Gauthier turn him into a 45-50 goal player? And Carlsson into a 100 point player?

Gauthier-Carlsson-Marner
Zegras-McTavish-Sennecke
Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Killorn-Gaucher-Colangelo

A guy can dream.
If Marner is signed you can bet your bottom dollar that Zegras is moved in a separate deal

hell, I think Zegras is probably moved even without a Marner signing
 
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I know potentially signing Marner has been beaten to death on this board, and although I think it is highly unlikely he actually signs here, the possibility made me wonder....would having an elite talent like that elevate some of our younger guys into elite status as well?

Would Marner playing alongside Gauthier turn him into a 45-50 goal player? And Carlsson into a 100 point player?

Gauthier-Carlsson-Marner
Zegras-McTavish-Sennecke
Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Killorn-Gaucher-Colangelo

A guy can dream.
That a big no on Vat-Strome-Terry. It's stale.
 
Couple of quotes from it:

"McTavish hasn’t quite developed into the high-end offensive threat the Ducks probably hoped he would be by this point, so they might be reluctant to match any sizable deal."

"Not only is McTavish behind Carlsson and Ryan Strome on the center depth chart, the Ducks rarely spend to the cap anyway."

And then he offers Poehling + Flyers 1st (currently 6th overall) for McTavish + Gibson as a basis for a trade.

Just a bunch of misinformed trash really.
Absolutely! I barely had a second to throw my thoughts out there, but the real point I wanted to make is that these East Coast correspondents (really most hockey commentators) treat the Ducks like some sort of feeder system for the rest of the league to poach. First, it was Z last year, and now McTavish.
 
Couple of quotes from it:

"McTavish hasn’t quite developed into the high-end offensive threat the Ducks probably hoped he would be by this point, so they might be reluctant to match any sizable deal."

"Not only is McTavish behind Carlsson and Ryan Strome on the center depth chart, the Ducks rarely spend to the cap anyway."

And then he offers Poehling + Flyers 1st (currently 6th overall) for McTavish + Gibson as a basis for a trade.

Just a bunch of misinformed trash really.

If Philadelphia offers Flyers 1st 2025 (4th - 6th overall, depends how lottery goes) + Foerster + Noah Powell's rights (not signed yet) for McTavish + Gibson + 2nd round 2025 (#56) + 3rd round 2025 (#93) I definitely would do it.

I just don't like McTavish. He is what he is: 50-60 point scorer at best, defensively below average, average hockey sense, pretty good shooter, strong, but don't initiate contact that much, don't have no urgency in his game = a really good third liner or pretty average second liner.
 
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If Philadelphia offers Flyers 1st 2025 (4th - 6th overall, depends how lottery goes) + Foerster + Noah Powell's rights (not signed yet) for McTavish + Gibson + 2nd round 2025 (#56) + 3rd round 2025 (#93) I definitely would do it.

I just don't like McTavish. He is what he is: 50-60 point scorer at best, defensively below average, average hockey sense, pretty good shooter, strong, but don't initiate contact that much, don't have no urgency in his game = a really good third liner or pretty average second liner.
How do you know he's a 50-60 point scorer at best ? He's drafted 2 years after Zegras so he's got plenty of time still to improve. His defense is a work in progress. This also downgrades the team at Center having to move Zegras back to center where he will get out muscled, pushed around/knocked off the puck and lose 55% to 60% of faceoffs. They could move Cutter to the 2nd line to Center it but that breaks up the Cutter/Carlsson duo.

If McTavish scored Michigans people would be hyping him up and not wanting him traded.
Its not McTavish fault that Zegras isn't getting stronger/faster or weak at faceoffs.
How do we know that getting Flyers 1st round pick for Desnoyers/Frondell/O'Brien will be better than McTavish ? That sets the rebuild back at least a few years.
 
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Neal Pionk 6 year $7 mil AAV extension signed, does that mean Vilardi is more attainable ?

Not sure why? They have 25 mil left in cap space for next season, so they have the cap to match offer sheets unless it's a crazy contract. Pionk is also a defenseman so it doesn't affect lineup decisions. Unless Vilardi doesn't want to be in Winnipeg, or they see his injury history as too much of an issue going forward, he's most likely re-signing.

All that being said, he is the exact type of forward this team needs, and I would definitely trade for him if he became available.
 
If Philadelphia offers Flyers 1st 2025 (4th - 6th overall, depends how lottery goes) + Foerster + Noah Powell's rights (not signed yet) for McTavish + Gibson + 2nd round 2025 (#56) + 3rd round 2025 (#93) I definitely would do it.

I just don't like McTavish. He is what he is: 50-60 point scorer at best, defensively below average, average hockey sense, pretty good shooter, strong, but don't initiate contact that much, don't have no urgency in his game = a really good third liner or pretty average second liner.
Ya I’m sure you’re right. No way he improves on what he is in his D+4 season…

Getzlaf had 58 points in his d+4.
Perry had 44.
Terry had 13.
 
Calling McTavish a 50-60 point guy at best is kinda wild. That’s what he is NOW. That’s literally his floor if everything were to go wrong with his development from here.

Personally think the skills he displays suggests that it would be pretty surprising if he didn’t have a few 70+ point seasons as the team around him gets better and he matures

McTavish’s floor is a solid 2nd line center (he literally already is that at 22 years old) and his ceiling is a middle of the road 1C. The ducks would be crazy to not want to have him and Leo down the middle the next 10 years

Our building block players are the below and everyone else either has a ton to prove to join the list or will be moved out to find better complimentary pieces:

Carlsson
Gauthier
McTavish
LaCombe
Dostal
 
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If Marner is signed you can bet your bottom dollar that Zegras is moved in a separate deal

hell, I think Zegras is probably moved even without a Marner signing
I agree, I think the writing is kinda on the wall….

Just hoping if we move zegras it’s for actual help and not assets (unless we’re flipping assets in offseason for help )
 
Not sure why? They have 25 mil left in cap space for next season, so they have the cap to match offer sheets unless it's a crazy contract. Pionk is also a defenseman so it doesn't affect lineup decisions. Unless Vilardi doesn't want to be in Winnipeg, or they see his injury history as too much of an issue going forward, he's most likely re-signing.

All that being said, he is the exact type of forward this team needs, and I would definitely trade for him if he became available.
Dang they have that much cap space…. So they can sign Ehlers and Vikardi and still have 9-12 mil in cap space. Might as well take a swing at Mitch marner and be the best team in the league for the next 4-6 years.
 
If Marner is signed you can bet your bottom dollar that Zegras is moved in a separate deal

hell, I think Zegras is probably moved even without a Marner signing
I don’t see why a team with such poor depth at forward would finally get an elite player like Marner and then immediately sell off Zegras. Teams should have more than 5 good forwards if they want to make the playoffs. Moving out one and putting in a better one makes the team slightly better but having both means Killorn can finally get out of the top 6.
 
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I’m trying to figure out why the Ducks want to spend $13m/$15m for a 5’11” 180lb scorer who disappears in the playoffs.

There is no doubt Marner has elite talent. But he plays on an offense that is so potent, it is easier for him to score.

When one of the big 4 goes down in the playoffs it impacts Marner’s ability to score.

I don’t see the same impact on an anemic Ducks offense where he, not also Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares, and now Knies, are getting defensive attention.

I don’t see any elite UFA being signed here. I do see Verbeek moving the #9 pick, Zegras, and maybe Zellweger for an elite scorer.

So far Verbeek has dodged the bullet that some teams bit on high cost long term FA’s.

We have overpaid for so-so FA vets, but we haven’t been locked into long term.

John
 
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I know potentially signing Marner has been beaten to death on this board, and although I think it is highly unlikely he actually signs here, the possibility made me wonder....would having an elite talent like that elevate some of our younger guys into elite status as well?

Would Marner playing alongside Gauthier turn him into a 45-50 goal player? And Carlsson into a 100 point player?

Gauthier-Carlsson-Marner
Zegras-McTavish-Sennecke
Vatrano-Strome-Terry
Killorn-Gaucher-Colangelo

A guy can dream.
No because Cronin will run

Vatrano-McTavish-Marner
Cutter-Leo-Killorn
Zegras-Strome-Terry
 
Is it bad i actually dont hate that?
Nah, its got 2 good players on each line but also a 3rd wheel on each line. Possibly someone like O'Brien/McQueen/Bear eventually replaces Strome. In order to get Colangelo in that lineup could just demote Strome to 4th line and put Zegras at 3C with Colangelo at LW.
 

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