GDT: 2025 Trade Deadline | Y’all Got Anymore of Them Trades?

[Freaky Styley]

I'm quite glad we still have Ivan Ivan after the deadline. I could see him develop into a Lehky type player sooner than later. I don't think we should sleep on Prischepov and Bardakov (CMac went out of his way to mention in his presser) in a bottom 6 role either.

 

[Freaky Styley]

The value for Carolina was fine. It’s the fact that they’re piling up futures while they should be trying to compete for a cup.

I know they're in a weak division but they're in a good position for next season. Not a bad idea with a young team still and Florida losing Ekblad at least next season.

 

[hockeyfish]

Convenient to leave out Stankhoven + two 1sts + two 3rds

I actually think the Canes did a masterful job of pivoting out of the Rantanen situation (asset wise). Only think that sucks for them is they could have flipped a 1st and a 3rd for Boeser and likely extended him at a cheaper rate if they acted sooner - but Rants held them up there. Then the trade would have looked like

Necas + Drury + 2nd + 4th

for

Boeser + Stankhoven + 1st + 3rd


either way it looks like

Necas + Drury + 2nd + 4th

for

Stankhoven + 1st + 1st+ 3rd+ 3rd

Which isn't bad at all for a player they knew they weren't signing long term. Just sucks for the players who thought they were going for it this year, but with Nikishin coming over and these picks to reload next year the Canes are actually in a great spot to compete next year.

3 3rds actually.

 

[hockeyfish]

I'm quite glad we still have Ivan Ivan after the deadline. I could see him develop into a Lehky type player sooner than later. I don't think we should sleep on Prischepov and Bardakov (CMac went out of his way to mention in his presser) in a bottom 6 role either.

I don’t see Ivan^2 having that upside. But they absolutely need him next year. Cap might be real tight, so need NHL quality players on cheap on cheap contracts.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I don’t see Ivan^2 having that upside. But they absolutely need him next year. Cap might be real tight, so need NHL quality players on cheap on cheap contracts.

I mean Lehky is a unicorn because he's so clutch. Probably won't have the same scoring touch but could be a similar style of player where he does the dirty work with skilled players. His development the last 2 years has been astronimical so we'll see.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I don’t see Ivan^2 having that upside. But they absolutely need him next year. Cap might be real tight, so need NHL quality players on cheap on cheap contracts.

I haven't looked closely but PuckPedia says we have 8.7M in cap next season and Nelson/Drouin/Lindgren/Malinski as key free agents.

If we replace Wood + Colton with Ivan^2 and one of Prischepov/Badarkov, that's an extra ~4.5M

so about 13.3M to sign those guys.

7M to Nelson
4M to Drouin
2M to Malinski
Behrens replaces Lindgren.

I think we'll be alright. Maybe need @Richard88 for a deep dive

 

[RoyIsALegend]

To me, it's amazing that the Avs were hovering around .500 which such lineups for as long as they did, especially considering they were getting NHL-worst goaltending. Like how does that even work?

Having the league’s leading scorer, by a mile, and the world’s best defenseman.

That’s why it’s criminal not to give those two guys as many weapons as possible every single year.

 

[hockeyfish]

I mean Lehky is a unicorn because he's so clutch. Probably won't have the same scoring touch but could be a similar style of player where he does the dirty work with skilled players. His development the last 2 years has been astronimical so we'll see.

Lehky is one of the best puck carriers in the league. The puck just loves his stick and when he has it, it’s nearly impossible to take it away. But he isn’t even playing like that this year. NHL isn’t, or at least hasn’t publicly released puck possession stats, but I’d venture to say Mack and Necas are near the top of the league in that regards. so Lehky totally transformed his game to be an elite net front player this year. You are right that Lehky is a total unicorn. It’s really hard to say Ivan^2 will get anywhere close to that.

 

[Avs_19]

The Hurricanes initially asked for Mitch Marner in return for Rantanen. Because it was for Rantanen, the Maple Leafs had to consider it. They told the winger their desire is to sign him, but they had to ask in this case. As is his right, Marner declined to move, re-iterating his desire to stay.

Neither the Maple Leafs, the Hurricanes, nor Marner’s agent, Darren Ferris, would comment. But that could have been the biggest blockbuster of the week.

Wow. Another player rejecting the Canes.

That would've been much better for the Avs than this alternative.

 

[BobRossColton]

Colton has a M-NTC the next two seasons, but do we know number of teams? Is that determined once the off season begins.

 

[hockeyfish]

I haven't looked closely but PuckPedia says we have 8.7M in cap next season and Nelson/Drouin/Lindgren/Malinski as key free agents.

If we replace Wood + Colton with Ivan^2 and one of Prischepov/Badarkov, that's an extra ~4.5M

so about 13.3M to sign those guys.

7M to Nelson
4M to Drouin
2M to Malinski
Behrens replaces Lindgren.

I think we'll be alright. Maybe need @Richard88 for a deep dive

You do also have to replace Colton, and I’m not convinced Ivan or Pisp are up for that. And Wood is going to be hard to move (for what we gave up for Coyle, Wood should have been in that trade). Really, and at this point sounds like a broken record, but depends on Landy.

 

[Vaslof]

Wow. Another player rejecting the Canes.

That would've been much better for the Avs than this alternative.

I feel bad for the Canes, but I must admit it would have been very funny if they traded for Marner and he too refused to sign there.

 

[Vaslof]

You do also have to replace Colton, and I’m not convinced Ivan or Pisp are up for that. And Wood is going to be hard to move (for what we gave up for Coyle, Wood should have been in that trade). Really, and at this point sounds like a broken record, but depends on Landy.

I have a feeling that they still see value in Wood and didn't want to give him up.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

This is disingenuous though. Add in Stankoven, two firsts, and two thirds to the other side of the ledger. The only one that really hurts them is Necas, and team had known for a long time that he wasn't going to be part of the team as soon as UFA

Convenient to leave out Stankhoven + two 1sts + two 3rds

I actually think the Canes did a masterful job of pivoting out of the Rantanen situation (asset wise). Only think that sucks for them is they could have flipped a 1st and a 3rd for Boeser and likely extended him at a cheaper rate if they acted sooner - but Rants held them up there. Then the trade would have looked like

Necas + Drury + 2nd + 4th

for

Boeser + Stankhoven + 1st + 3rd


either way it looks like

Necas + Drury + 2nd + 4th

for

Stankhoven + 1st + 1st+ 3rd+ 3rd

Which isn't bad at all for a player they knew they weren't signing long term. Just sucks for the players who thought they were going for it this year, but with Nikishin coming over and these picks to reload next year the Canes are actually in a great spot to compete next year.

The point isn't that they came out looking OK on paper, it’s that they gave all that up specifically for those two players to get them over the hump and win a Cup, and they ended up with just 30 games, no Cups, and egg on their face.

Stank is a decent player, but those picks don't help them much now.

 

[flyfysher]

Wow. Another player rejecting the Canes.

That would've been much better for the Avs than this alternative.

So how does Marner feel knowing TML would take Rants over him?

 

[Balthazar]

I actually think the Canes did a masterful job of pivoting out of the Rantanen situation (asset wise).

Canes were actively shopping Necas last season and at one point they had an agreement for a trade with Buffalo but Necas informed them that he'd not re-sign there. I don't know what the return was but chances are it wasn't the same value as Stankoven + 1st + 1st + 3rd + 3rd.

It was worth the wait.

 

[Balthazar]

The point isn't that they came out looking OK on paper, it’s that they gave all that up specifically for those two players to get them over the hump and win a Cup, and they ended up with just 30 games, no Cups, and egg on their face.

Stank is a decent player, but those picks don't help them much now.

"Asset management" and going all-in to try to win the cup are 2 different things.

The fact that they didn't use those assets to get better this year isn't related to the fact that they got a wonderful return for Necas and Drury.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I'm quite glad we still have Ivan Ivan after the deadline. I could see him develop into a Lehky type player sooner than later. I don't think we should sleep on Prischepov and Bardakov (CMac went out of his way to mention in his presser) in a bottom 6 role either.

I dont think Ivan has the same offensive upside as Lehky but who knows. Never thought that a healthy scratch Lehky in Montreal had a 30 goal campaign in him.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I wonder what everyone here would say if CMac traded away Rantanen and Mittelstadt this year, and ended up with Stankhoven and a bunch of picks?

 

[hockeyfish]

Canes were actively shopping Necas last season and at one point they had an agreement for a trade with Buffalo but Necas informed them that he'd not re-sign there. I don't know what the return was but chances are it wasn't the same value as Stankoven + 1st + 1st + 3rd + 3rd.

It was worth the wait.

The bigger issue is the Canes simply didn’t know how good a player Necas actually was.

 

[hockeyfish]

I wonder what everyone here would say if CMac traded away Rantanen and Mittelstadt this year, and ended up with Stankhoven and a bunch of picks?

Would have been pitchforks.

 

[dahrougem2]

Marner is going to bend the Leafs over and give it to 'em raw.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

What, they have a bunch of gardens or something?

Farms, Woods, Shore, Old Towns, New Towns and great Italian food. And most of the northeast is within 5 hours of you.

A lot of athletes live in south jersey.

It's a bit surprising more players don't prioritize Philly or NJ to me to be honest. Maybe because they only see the worst parts around the stadium.

 

[Balthazar]

Marner is going to bend the Leafs over and give it to 'em raw.

Now Marner knows that the Leafs tried to swap him for Rantanen. I wonder if it will change things.

 

[Avs_19]

Canes are supposedly trying to win a Cup right now and they're in a much worse position to do that. They also had some contract drama with Necas, Mikko refused to sign there, and Marner refused to waive to go there.

That's rough for them on the ice and reputation wise. No amount of spin about having Stank and two (late) 1st rounders is going to change that right now.