WJC: 2025 Team USA Roster Talk

SantosHalper

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Rimpinen lost in the Gold Medal. Augustine was the winning Gold Medal game goalie. You would have been on here giving more lame lectures had Finland won.

You lose!
If Finland would have won, i wouldn't be here, i would be out celebrating the world championship. Why are you still here chirping to me? Don't you have a party to attend to? I don't mean to downgrade your far superior hockey mind but usually we celebrate championships. But i lost, Finland lost and Rimpinen lost but still remains the best goalie in this tournament.
 
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AmericanDream

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Rimpinen lost in the Gold Medal. Augustine was the winning Gold Medal game goalie. You would have been on here giving more lame lectures had Finland won.

You lose!
Finn posters are the worst. I am not sure if any American fan went into their team thread bragging about any of our players lol. If any did point them out and I will shame them. This is why there are GDTs...they can take this nonsense there, we don't give a f*** about any player from Finland in our damn thread.
 

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If Finland would have won, i wouldn't be here, i would be out celebrating the world championship. Why are you still here chirping to me? Don't you have a party to attend to? I don't mean to downgrade your far superior hockey mind but usually we celebrate championships. But i lost, Finland lost and Rimpinen lost but still remains the best goalie in this tournament.
It is 6:35 on a workday here…
 

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Beating Canada in the group stage proved to be a big difference. They got some luck with upsets and of course the Russian absence so that they didn’t have to play any of the other top four hockey countries in the knockout stage, which is a bit odd. But of course you can create your own luck in such a case by winning your group. The Finns proved tough and still plays their systems very well but the talent on their roster wasn’t the best. In fact, Czechia also hung around and played usa much tighter than anticipated. Sweden had a weaker 06 group behind a good 05 group which means weren’t the deepest. And Canada of course self imploded in every way from the roster construction to lack of coaching adjustments to poor discipline.

So all in all, I never felt like this particular USA team was a “great” team like the one they had the prior year. But they were ultimately still the best team that was there with no glaring roster errors, a great first line, a couple gamebreaking defenseman, the most proven goaltender of the tournament and depth that didn’t self-destruct or get overmatched too badly along with probably the best coach in the field. I probably wouldn’t disagree if someone called this the weakest of the gold medal winning USA teams of the six I’ve personally watched since 2010 (I think nhl network started carrying the stream one year earlier). They actually had the same goal differential in the group stage as the 2013 team that lost twice in regulation to Russia and Canada but honestly may have outplayed both.
 

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So all in all, I never felt like this particular USA team was a “great” team like the one they had the prior year. But they were ultimately still the best team that was there with no glaring roster errors, a great first line, a couple gamebreaking defenseman, the most proven goaltender of the tournament and depth that didn’t self-destruct or get overmatched too badly along with probably the best coach in the field. I probably wouldn’t disagree if someone called this the weakest of the gold medal winning USA teams of the six I’ve personally watched since 2010 (I think nhl network started carrying the stream one year earlier). They actually had the same goal differential in the group stage as the 2013 team that lost twice in regulation to Russia and Canada but honestly may have outplayed both.
Overall the weakest but I think people really underrated going into the tournament how incredible the top of this US lineup is. Obviously it was helped by Canada making some baffling roster decisions but you could make a strong argument that for a starting 6, ASP is the only player that's getting anywhere close to breaking into

Perrault-Hagens-Leonard
Buium-Hutson
Augustine.

Also completely agree with you on Carle being the best coach at the tournament, and by a pretty extreme margin too.
 
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Im not convinced leaving college for the NHL is something Carle will look to do. He's a different kind of guy and he loves DU/NCAA Hockey...

He had conversations with St. Louis during their opening in the offseason. (They decided to go with Bannister) You don't do that if you aren't at least interested.

He'll be very picky as he should be, and he might not go immediately, but if he gets a great opportunity and offer, he'll go. The great thing about it for him is that even if he fails at the NHL level, his resume is so great that he could still come back to college and get virtually any job he wanted. It's a no-lose situation.
 

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Carle is a damn good coach. Always gives an impression of being active in the game and convincing.
Either Finland only were gassed or he adjusted some things after the first period. I think it was both. Therefor he deserves the praise and respect.
 

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Carle is a damn good coach. Always gives an impression of being active in the game and convincing.
Either Finland only were gassed or he adjusted some things after the first period. I think it was both. Therefor he deserves the praise and respect.

He's known for being able to get the train back on the tracks mid-game. That would be my bet, especially since his post-game assessment of what went wrong in the first 30 was spot on:

Said Carle: "They played a great first period, outpossessed us, generated things off the rush, and we just sat back too much," Carle said. "We needed to get up ice, we needed to pressure, skate more, make them uncomfortable, and it would start to pay off. They went up 3-1, but we just needed to start skating a little bit more. I thought we were on our heels and little too passive in the first period."
 

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Finn posters are the worst. I am not sure if any American fan went into their team thread bragging about any of our players lol. If any did point them out and I will shame them. This is why there are GDTs...they can take this nonsense there, we don't give a f*** about any player from Finland in our damn thread.
The only time I go into another countries "roster talk" is after that nation has eliminated the US. And it's to say congrats or ask a question about a player in said tournament.
 
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Svedu

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Finn posters are the worst. I am not sure if any American fan went into their team thread bragging about any of our players lol. If any did point them out and I will shame them. This is why there are GDTs...they can take this nonsense there, we don't give a f*** about any player from Finland in our damn thread.
No. In all fairness towards SantosHelper, I can't find anything remarkably controversial with his statements regarding the goalies. And if you are going to generalize all fans by someone praising one individual (which shouldn't be considered that destructive of a comment or post)? I mean, it doesn't hurt anyone? Or does it hurt you? Then you could question yourself while at it, perhaps a bit sensitive or entitled?
I mean is it controversial to think that both Rimpinen and Hutson deserved the MVP more than Leonard? That's both a Finn and an American. Please.

And while you are showing how you resonate and having that name as well. What is the American dream? What is America for you?
 
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Deep Blue Metallic

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Know what else isn't happening? Canada ever producing a hockey victory that matches what the '80 US Olympic Team did, with a hybrid A\B Team, from a pool of players
made up 95% of 19-23 year olds.

No matter what any Canadian retorts literally forever, you will get slam dunked with 1980.
Can't like this post enough.

It's hard to imagine an upset even approaching USA college kid nobodies beating the Soviet hockey machine on the world's biggest sporting stage.

Everyone forgets the context - only 8 years after the Soviets came within an eyelash of besting the highly favored Team Canada in the Summit Series. (Full disclosure for Canadian pedants - No Bobby Hull. No Orr.)
 

Deep Blue Metallic

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He's known for being able to get the train back on the tracks mid-game. That would be my bet, especially since his post-game assessment of what went wrong in the first 30 was spot on:
The most noticeable change for me was the American d-men playing a much tighter gap on Finns entering the zone. That alone made a huge difference. They gave them nothing to work with offensively.
 

William H Bonney

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The most noticeable change for me was the American d-men playing a much tighter gap on Finns entering the zone. That alone made a huge difference. They gave them nothing to work with offensively.

Same. We willingly just backed out of the neutral zone in the first 20. Allowed Finns to easily enter the zone with a lot of speed. They stopped doing that halfway through the 2nd and the Finns couldn't generate anything consistent afterwards
 

Pavel Buchnevich

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The most noticeable change for me was the American d-men playing a much tighter gap on Finns entering the zone. That alone made a huge difference. They gave them nothing to work with offensively.
I think a large part of it was he switched up the pairings. He started putting Buium with Hutson, and those two absolutely smothered the Finns. When they were on the ice (and they were almost being double-shifted), USA must’ve had the puck 70% of the time. He also found something with Minnetian. Minnetian got a lot better as the tournament went on. He was expected to be a main defenseman for the team coming into the tournament and started very slow and fell down the lineup. He found it at just the right time, and it gave the team another reliable pairing, given Fortescue was always a reliable 3 and we just needed a 4 to have enough on the backend to make it work.

I still think Hensler, Ralph, and Kleber all struggled and played pretty much no better than the rest of the game and tournament. It seemed a lot more even with them out there even when the rest of the shifts were lopsided in our favor. We had to survive their shifts because you couldn’t completely shorten the bench to 4 defensemen the second half of the game.
 
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I think a large part of it was he switched up the pairings. He started putting Buium with Hutson, and those two absolutely smothered the Finns. When they were on the ice (and they were almost being double-shifted), USA must’ve had the puck 70% of the time. He also found something with Minnetian. Minnetian got a lot better as the tournament went on. He was expected to be a main defenseman for the team coming into the tournament and started very slow and fell down the lineup. He found it at just the right time, and it gave the team another reliable pairing, given Fortescue was always a reliable 3 and we just needed a 4 to have enough on the backend to make it work.

I still think Hensler, Ralph, and Kleber all struggled and played pretty much no better than the rest of the game and tournament. It seemed a lot more even with them out there even when the rest of the shifts were lopsided in our favor. We had to survive their shifts because you couldn’t completely shorten the bench to 4 defensemen the second half of the game.
Buium + Hutson was strictly to juice the offense though. Carle surely wasn't thinking of them as a shutdown pairing, even if he expected that as a useful byproduct.

I'll take this opportunity to pile on - Buium's sauce to Stiga was absolutely sublime. And Teddy's smooth gather after his initial bobble was a cool move under pressure.

Sorry, guys. I'm still f***ING PUMPED!!! PLAY FREEBIRD!!!

 

AmericanDream

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No. In all fairness towards SantosHelper, I can't find anything remarkably controversial with his statements regarding the goalies. And if you are going to generalize all fans by someone praising one individual (which shouldn't be considered that destructive of a comment or post)? I mean, it doesn't hurt anyone? Or does it hurt you? Then you could question yourself while at it, perhaps a bit sensitive or entitled?
I mean is it controversial to think that both Rimpinen and Hutson deserved the MVP more than Leonard? That's both a Finn and an American. Please.

And while you are showing how you resonate and having that name as well. What is the American dream? What is America for you?
Tldr

Kakko >>>>>> J Hughes, that is the American Dream😂😂
 
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Pavel Buchnevich

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Buium + Hutson was strictly to juice the offense though. Carle surely wasn't thinking of them as a shutdown pairing, even if he expected that as a useful byproduct.
Yeah, I agree. I just think what it turned into was basically a PP because it seemed like he’d often try to match them with the Hagens line, and then you have 5 players who can truly hold onto the puck for ages, pass to each other, stick handle out of obvious trouble, and it tired the Finns out. They couldn’t seem to get the puck with those players on the ice, and the next shift would basically start with the US having puck possession after the Finns clear the puck out of the zone and looking to get a change as opposed to forecheck. The best defense can sometimes be a good offense. Don’t have to defend if you always have the puck.
 
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Buium + Hutson was strictly to juice the offense though. Carle surely wasn't thinking of them as a shutdown pairing, even if he expected that as a useful byproduct.

I'll take this opportunity to pile on - Buium's sauce to Stiga was absolutely sublime. And Teddy's smooth gather after his initial bobble was a cool move under pressure.

Sorry, guys. I'm still f***ING PUMPED!!! PLAY FREEBIRD!!!



The best defense is to not give the other team the puck.
 

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