WJC: 2025 Team Canada Roster Talk

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Name the players that were good all game tonight?

If you're going to replace Cowan, you need other players to be playing well... which they aren't.
Ask yourself what would you say about him if he wasn't a Leaf prospect? He has been EXTREMELY selfish with the puck all tournament, he looks to have zero hockey IQ or he just wants to play hero, both not good traits. Hes being fed cherry minutes while generating near zero. Does literally nothing on the PP and took an extremely undisciplined penalty leading to the 2-1 goal. Then he makes a spinorama blind backhand pass turning over the puck conceding the empty netter.

This has nothing to do with the team he plays for. He has not been good.
 

Divine

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Ask yourself what would you say about him if he wasn't a Leaf prospect? He has been EXTREMELY selfish with the puck all tournament, he looks to have zero hockey IQ or he just wants to play hero, both not good traits. Hes being fed cherry minutes while generating near zero. Does literally nothing on the PP and took an extremely undisciplined penalty leading to the 2-1 goal. Then he makes a spinorama blind backhand pass turning over the puck conceding the empty netter.

This has nothing to do with the team he plays for. He has not been good.

First of all, his wasn't the penalty that led to the 2-1 goal. Two players on Canada took 2 penalties last game. Cowan took one penalty all tournament.

He's leading the team in scoring, despite being 'this bad'.

So ask yourself who would you replace your leading scorer with in a team struggling to score goals?

The majority of the forwards on this team have 0 points in 4 games so you want to scratch your leading scorer? Explain the logic to me.
 

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Ask yourself what would you say about him if he wasn't a Leaf prospect? He has been EXTREMELY selfish with the puck all tournament, he looks to have zero hockey IQ or he just wants to play hero, both not good traits. Hes being fed cherry minutes while generating near zero. Does literally nothing on the PP and took an extremely undisciplined penalty leading to the 2-1 goal. Then he makes a spinorama blind backhand pass turning over the puck conceding the empty netter.

This has nothing to do with the team he plays for. He has not been good.
Yeah but no one has been. And I think they’re all trying hard, but they look super stressed and lost. The poor kids have no confidence.

Seems like there is no leadership behind the scenes.
 
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Ask yourself what would you say about him if he wasn't a Leaf prospect? He has been EXTREMELY selfish with the puck all tournament, he looks to have zero hockey IQ or he just wants to play hero, both not good traits. Hes being fed cherry minutes while generating near zero. Does literally nothing on the PP and took an extremely undisciplined penalty leading to the 2-1 goal. Then he makes a spinorama blind backhand pass turning over the puck conceding the empty netter.

This has nothing to do with the team he plays for. He has not been good.
Same thing I said to the wife, he screams that kid in minor hockey who thinks he’s the hero.

It’s whatever, I enjoy the Christmas tradition regardless of outcomes. I will say I’m VERY happy the wife got released from Ottawa Heart institute last week. We were contemplating dropping close to a grand to attend this game. Woosh
 

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Ask yourself what would you say about him if he wasn't a Leaf prospect? He has been EXTREMELY selfish with the puck all tournament, he looks to have zero hockey IQ or he just wants to play hero, both not good traits. Hes being fed cherry minutes while generating near zero. Does literally nothing on the PP and took an extremely undisciplined penalty leading to the 2-1 goal. Then he makes a spinorama blind backhand pass turning over the puck conceding the empty netter.

This has nothing to do with the team he plays for. He has not been good.
*3-1 goal I think.
 

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He's leading the team in scoring, despite being 'this bad'.

So ask yourself who would you replace your leading scorer with in a team struggling to score goals?

The majority of the forwards on this team have 0 points in 4 games so you want to scratch your leading scorer? Explain the logic to me.
Leading the team in scoring with 3 points in 4 games with all of those cherry minutes says something. Maybe he's being overdeployed and that's a fair conversation.
 

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Canada has the same weaknesses as it did at the beginning of the tournament, and the shameful lack of discipline is a new wrinkle that has crept up. Same strengths... or strength... too, to be fair. I fully expect Cameron and Anholt to wave away the problems again when interviewed and say that everything is fine. The way that Hockey Canada is constructing these teams is awful and that the team sometimes wins in spite of that does not make it acceptable. There was no need to bring Cameron back, and Anholt is a moron, and we know that Salmond doesn't have a clue.

Canada still plays with an amazing lack of cohesion on offence as well as a clear lack of creativity. You can only score a limited number of goals from a high number of long bad angle shots. It maybe isn't shocking that the two most talented forwards, McKenna and Catton, tend to generate the most dangerous chances. The lower end forwards mostly lack an identity and are pretty pointless on the team. Beaudoin has been ok and Luchanko looks a lot better than he did early on but that's the best you can say. Schaefer being out is a big problem. Ritchie and Cowan are nice depth options but are sub standard for first line threats. Dickinson is very clearly not as good as Schaefer, regardless of how many points he has in London, and is too slow in his decision making and in reacting to players blowing by him.

I am sure I am in the minority but I do think that this team is salvageable. It is still important that this team does defend very well at even strength and that George is a good goaltender. Honestly I do not think that any team is all that difficult in this tournament. Canada faced early versions of Czechia and Sweden before the tournament and they weren't that noteworthy, Finland was not so good, and really USA wasn't either. I'd say that Canada outplayed USA at even strength and I'd give good odds in a rematch. Of course Canada can lose to any of those teams, but a narrow path is there.

I can't pretend to know what they can fix in such a short span. Look to build on strengths mainly. The team is defending well at even strength and will need to ride that. Catton and McKenna are threatening, so get them a RW who can complement them and let Pinelli take the role he was destind for all along as a sparkplug fourth liner. Cameron is scratching the RW who makes the most sense in that role. The idiotic penalties need to stop. They aren't even penalties derived from playing hard, most of the penalties against USA were completely avoidable idiocy. It's a sad state of affairs but Canada can beat any team in this tournament if it stays out of the penalty box. The Ritchie line isn't especially threatening, so I'd honestly divide ice time more evenly so that the team can at least consistently play a high pressure game with fresh skaters, maybe some extra time to Catton's line.


Never.

Yeah I’d give Martone another look. Hopefully watching the last 2 games from the press-box help motivate him and brings the performance he’s capable of.

Rehkopf started playing on the top line with Ritchie and Cowan at the beginning of the 2nd. Rehkopf took a few penalties, but if he can stay out of the penalty box he makes a lot of sense on that line.

I’d scratch Cataford and mix in Beaudoin and Pinelli at 4th line LW. Keep that scoring ability in the lineup.

Overall, it’d be a shame if such strong goaltending and ES defensive play is undermined by a lack of discipline and scoring ability.
 
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My (unnecessary and pointless take):

Malone needs to get in.
Catton/McKenna need a new winger.
I think Yager is miscast in the checking role, while Howe should be bottom line/13th F.
I like what Luchanko brought, he would be a promotion on the lines to me.
Dickenson looks lost out there and wouldn't hate it if Akey got in for him on a rotation.
Rebuild the PP.
Finally I would shorten the bench to 9F 4D if necessary. It's not like these guys aren't used to the minutes.

Ultimately, unless they decide to really shake things off on the off day, nothing will change.
 

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Leading the team in scoring with 3 points in 4 games with all of those opportunities says something.

He's still leading the team in scoring. That's the point. He has linemates too. McKenna's line has 30 seconds less ice time than his line.

You're acting like he's playing McDavid's minutes, he's not.
 

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It's been said so much but I'm still just flabbergasted about these player choices on defense.

Bonk never playing the QB spot and then being forced to play it now is wild. Especially after hearing his interview, even he knows he shouldn't be there.
 

Divine

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McKenna was 16 a week ago

So who do you want to play over him?

Please explain why you're going to take away ice time from your leading scorer for the forwards with 0 points with 1 less minute of ice time?

If the argument is the team doesn't have enough talent that's an argument for him playing despite being bad. Half the forwards on this team have 0 points in 4 games, so of course the guy with 3 points looks like a superstar in comparison.
 

Zarzh

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People aren't advocating replacing the best skilled players on the team with similarly skilled players. The most skilled players on the team should have been surrounded by similarly skilled players who were left off entirely.
I kind of see the excuse with Sennecke because he does play a chaotic game, not taking Misa or Yak is tragic.

But most of the other forwards would likely be replacing other skilled players because a lot of the skill on this roster is young or frail and the older players aren't even big. I feel like that's an understated problem, the forwards are absolutely tiny and can't get to the net.
 

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Yeah I’d give Martone another look. Hopefully watching the last 2 games from the press-box help motivate him and brings the performance he’s capable of.

Rehkopf started playing on the top line with Ritchie and Cowan at the beginning of the 2nd. Rehkopf took a few penalties, but if he can stay out of the penalty box he makes a lot of sense on that line.

I’d scratch Cataford and mix in Beaudoin and Pinelli at 4th line LW. Keep that scoring ability in the lineup.

Overall, it’d be a shame if such strong goaltending and ES defensive play is undermined by a lack of discipline and scoring ability.
I'd say we have enough evidence that however the "brain" trust thought that this team would win games is very unlikely to happen. Put Martone back out there and give Rehkopf minutes and even if the team loses at least it went out trying to score. I'd drop Cataford but Gauthier could go or Howe and it wouldn't matter, but they won't drop Howe. Martone didn't do much in the games he played but he is big and talented, which gives him more potential to help this team score than several options.

All of Canada's pre-tournament and preliminary games have been winnable even with the team doing what it has done on offence and special teams. I don't even know who the biggest competition is, maybe Sweden. But I do not think that they can just stand pat and hope for more than a goal or two per game going forward.
 

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I kind of see the excuse with Sennecke because he does play a chaotic game, not taking Misa or Yak is tragic.

But most of the other forwards would likely be replacing other skilled players because a lot of the skill on this roster is young or frail and the older players aren't even big. I feel like that's an understated problem, the forwards are absolutely tiny and can't get to the net.
They took too many of the same kind of safe players and left the risky game breaking top end skill guys at home.
 

Strummer53

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Yak has been a minus player every year he's been in WHL, including this season. You might score 1 more goal in return for 2 more against.
Yak definately wouldn't help own zone coverage or the PK.
Maybe the PP, but considering Schaefer was on the squad, that's basically a repeat style of player (except Yak is the inferior of the two)
 
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So who do you want to play over him?

Please explain why you're going to take away ice time from your leading scorer for the forwards with 0 points with 1 less minute of ice time?

If the argument is the team doesn't have enough talent that's an argument for him playing despite being bad. Half the forwards on this team have 0 points in 4 games, so of course the guy with 3 points looks like a superstar in comparison.

Leading scorer is a bit of a misnomer with 3 points in 4 games. Most of the teams issues seem to be with coaching though. Ideally you'd like to see some consequences for taking stupid penalties yet the staff tosses them back out there the very next shift.
 

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