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raswilliam said:
my take on Greentree. Yeah he looks sick now, but his value is extremely high right now. Could be a buy low, sell high situation? Shades of Brayden Schenn when he averages 4 points a game in WJC and was made part of a package for Richards. If we can flip Greentree for a good young player on a reasonable contract that fits on this current roster, why not?
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A problem is with having high end skilled prospects here in La is that chances are they wont fulfill their true potential as a skill player, they just dont develop well here and it seems like when skill player does well here, they've be developed somewhere else and brought in and even then they are asked to change their game
 
MonkeysUncle said:
A problem is with having high end skilled prospects here in La is that chances are they wont fulfill their true potential as a skill player, they just dont develop well here and it seems like when skill player does well here, they've be developed somewhere else and brought in and even then they are asked to change their game
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We should go full Laferriere and make Greentree go to Harvard and skip Ontario and come straight to LA
 
Herby said:
People will say that is why they are offering Moore, Spence and a 1st and why Buffalo may take something like that. But a deal centered around Brandt Clarke also gives Buffalo a piece that helps them right now (with still high upside) fills an organizational need and gives them the opportunity to trade one of their surplus LHD (probably Byram) to help.

I think we often see people failing to realize there are probably at least 4-6 other teams that might be interested in Tuch, they make offers that don't factor in the market dynamics that drastically change around the deadline.

And another thing with including a guy like Moore is not factoring in other variables to his value. Trevor Moore is 30 years and playing for his hometown team, which despite being firmly in the blackhole is still a playoff team, how is his morale going to be heading to an undesirable market to play for a bottom-feeder team? This is something I think fans don't consider enough, but Buffalo management certainly should. Where as Clarke is going closer to home, going to a younger team and will be given an opportunity to shine in his contract year next season, he would be way more motivated to go to Buffalo than Moore and Spence would.

If I were Buffalo I'd be demanding Clarke in any deal with the Kings, as he checks both boxes in helping in the immediate and still has the potential star upside, and Buffalo knows the Kings get a guy in his prime with a solid history of 1st/2nd line production, signed to a ridiculously cheap deal that gives the Kings two kicks at the can before Kopitar retires. People will balk at trading Clarke, but the reality is, due to the infamous "slow-cook" his value isn't what it would be had he been handled the way most teams would have handled him, he's just not going to be the key piece going for a star player and he's not helping enough now where the Kings aren't going to trade for a potential 30 goal right shot winger (the teams biggest need by far)

Now just like with the Faber deal, I wish it wasn't like this, I wish we were coming out of a rebuild right now with a team poised to contend for the next 8 years (which could have been the case), but every move this team has made since the summer of 2021 has been made to try and win a championship before 11/8 retire, and for this season and next, Alec Tuch just gives the Kings a better chance to accomplish that than Brandt Clarke does.
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Tuch turns 30 next year, not a chance in hell would i trade Clarke.
 
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BigKing said:
Let's not forget that Cam Talbot made the all-star team last season and proceeded to be benched in the playoffs. This team is riding Keumper into the ground just like Talbot last year. They will get cooked in the playoffs, if they make it.
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Kuemper has started 29 out of 53 games, or 55%. Exactly what do you mean by "riding Kuemper into the ground"? What do you expect them to do with their #1 goalie?
 
lumbergh said:
Kuemper has started 29 out of 53 games, or 55%. Exactly what do you mean by "riding Kuemper into the ground"? What do you expect them to do with their #1 goalie?
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Kuemper has also missed 10 games this year for his injured groin and the last game for the birth of their child that he was also scheduled to start. So he has played 29 out of 42 games which is approximately a 70 % workload in the times he is available.

I don’t think it’s to drastic but he is also 35 so there would be some fatigue.

With the break to recharge he will be fresh and hopefully keep up the solid play.
 
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lumbergh said:
Kuemper has started 29 out of 53 games, or 55%. Exactly what do you mean by "riding Kuemper into the ground"? What do you expect them to do with their #1 goalie?
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@funky broke it down further so maybe I shouldn't have used the phrase "riding into the ground" since my point is that Kuemper is our #1 goalie and I don't feel that it will hold up. Why trade your recent 1st round pick or other young assets to try and make a run with this team?
 
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BigKing said:
@funky broke it down further so maybe I shouldn't have used the phrase "riding into the ground" since my point is that Kuemper is our #1 goalie and I don't feel that it will hold up. Why trade your recent 1st round pick or other young assets to try and make a run with this team?
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Right now Kuemper ranks 2nd in the league amongst goalies that have played 20 games or more in goals against average, 3rd in save percentage, and 6th in record by point % in the league. I don't know what about that says that he's not a #1. He backstopped the Aves to a Stanley Cup win opposite Vasilevskiy only 3 seasons ago. He has a career save % of 91.4%, which is very good.

Yes he's 34 and somewhat injury-prone, but there's no question he's one of the league's top goalies this year. If the Kings are going to make a run, Kuemper as good a choice as any. Goaltending is not the Kings weakness this year.
 
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lumbergh said:
Right now Kuemper ranks 2nd in the league amongst goalies that have played 20 games or more in goals against average, 3rd in save percentage, and 6th in record by point % in the league. I don't know what about that says that he's not a #1. He backstopped the Aves to a Stanley Cup win opposite Vasilevskiy only 3 seasons ago. He has a career save % of 91.4%, which is very good.

Yes he's 34 and somewhat injury-prone, but there's no question he's one of the league's top goalies this year. If the Kings are going to make a run, Kuemper as good a choice as any. Goaltending is not the Kings weakness this year.
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Stats and analytics verse vibes.

Do I need to remind you that similar things could've been said about Talbot last year?
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
It was the same problem then as it is now, and always is for Kopitar and Doughty as well

There's no need to forcefeed guys in their mid 30s so god damn many minutes

It's the same for Kuemper, keep him fresh.
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Like Subway!!

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For the record, I do think Kuemper has played well, and I suspect he'll fare better than Talbot in the post season. We'll see.

If you want go by statistics, then he's one of the best goalies in the world, but we know that's probably not true.

Team play style has a significant impact on goaltending success. This team went 24-6-3 with Phoenix Copely.
 
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Kuemper had great #s here before though too. And he's done great on other teams. It's not an aberration or just Kings' magic--he's a legitimately good goalie who is experience and has a wonderful symbiotic relationship with this team and its system.

I think we just need to be cautious with his workload and remember that NO ONE is playoff Jonathan Quick.

That being said I'm more confident going into the playoffs with Kuemper than anyoen we've had since. He MAY steal a game, but he almost certainly won't lose one on his own. That's all we can ask at this point. Get him some f***ing run support and the inevitable softie or two he lets in over the course of a series won't be so backbreaking.
 
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lumbergh said:
Right now Kuemper ranks 2nd in the league amongst goalies that have played 20 games or more in goals against average, 3rd in save percentage, and 6th in record by point % in the league. I don't know what about that says that he's not a #1. He backstopped the Aves to a Stanley Cup win opposite Vasilevskiy only 3 seasons ago. He has a career save % of 91.4%, which is very good.

Yes he's 34 and somewhat injury-prone, but there's no question he's one of the league's top goalies this year. If the Kings are going to make a run, Kuemper as good a choice as any. Goaltending is not the Kings weakness this year.
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I have very little faith that it will continue. I guess you could say that my level of faith in the goaltending is not high enough to endorse burning young assets.

I mean, I don't have enough faith in the team as a whole and I am not saying Kuemper has been a problem at all: it's just more surprising to me than not when he walks out of a game only allowing one or two goals and that's generally the only way the Kings can win.
 
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BigKing said:
@funky broke it down further so maybe I shouldn't have used the phrase "riding into the ground" since my point is that Kuemper is our #1 goalie and I don't feel that it will hold up. Why trade your recent 1st round pick or other young assets to try and make a run with this team?
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Why waste 1st, 2nd round picks on Blake? So we can wait 5 years & hope they get value before waiving them? Hit a home run & trade them because they have value, & the King's are competing now & don't have time for them to develop?


Raccoon Jesus said:
It was the same problem then as it is now, and always is for Kopitar and Doughty as well

There's no need to forcefeed guys in their mid 30s so god damn many minutes

It's the same for Kuemper, keep him fresh.
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King's are 5 points from dropping out of the playoffs with 2 games in hand. If they miss the playoffs, there'll be questions.


What's Blake's best trade so far?
Fiala, Moore, Gavrikov, Kuemper?
Other?
 
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