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Speculation: 2025 TDL Discussion

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FSL KINGS said:
1-2 more years to get rid of Luc. 3-5 years rebuilding. Doughty coming off the books soon & cap going up. Hawks probably retain down to 7-7.5. What's the problem? It's going to stop the King's from being right there? Embrace the insanity!!!

Edit: & don't call me Shirley
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You are out of your mind Laverne

Besides we already have his crazy-eyed brother

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Trade:
Kempe
Danault
Kopitar
Doughty
Gavrikov
Fiala
Kuemper @50% if he has any value.

Keep Moore and hope he recovers.
Resign Jeannot for something short and cheap

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xxxxx-xxxxxx-Thomas
Lee-Helenius-Jeannot
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Anderson-Clarke
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Edmundson-Spence
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Portillo

Pick top 5 in the 2026 draft.
 
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KopitarGOAT420 said:


Oh boy... These would all be super underwhelming adds.
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What is truly sobering…or moreso depressing?
Kyle Palmieri 14g 20a 34p but 34 yo 5M
Ryan Donato 15g 15a 30p
Scott Laughton 10g 15a 25p
Jake Evans 11g 16a 27p
Very similar to
Quentin Byfield 11g 14a 25p

So, 4 journeymen…are putting up Byfield numbers, with less ice time and some not getting PP or nearly 6.25M.

Honestly, I’d deal QB now.
He presses and is so erratic at times and just doesn’t have high hockey IQ. He can skate and has skill. No doubt. But he’s nowhere elite in any sense offensively and never will be.
He’s no replacement for Kopi.

I think he never surpasses 65 pts
He may not hit 50 this yr
You could get 2X his actual worth
No other King can. I say package him for
an upgrade.

Jake Evans. Ryan Donato. Scott Laughton,
Kyle Palmieri. Quentin Byfield. Equal offensive performers. Oh, Palmieri and Jake Evans besting him.
 
Peter James Bond III said:
Honestly, I’d deal QB now.
He presses and is so erratic at times and just doesn’t have high hockey IQ. He can skate and has skill. No doubt. But he’s nowhere elite in any sense offensively and never will be.
He’s no replacement for Kopi.

I think he never surpasses 65 pts
He may not hit 50 this yr
You could get 2X his actual worth
No other King can. I say package him for
an upgrade.
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This is the worst possible take on the forum.
 
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johnjm22 said:
This is the worst possible take on the forum.
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lol
I left out that Seider scored one of his goals

How do you assess his play this yr?
How often does he go 10+ without a goal?
His last big hit was a yr ago? When he plastered Hedman. 1 year, not a single monster hit?
He’s been pretty soft.
He’s not physical.
He’s not setting up line mates this yr, like he was w Kopi and Kempe.

His numbers are terrible. Where is he excelling?
You’re pleased where he is currently at, at D+5?
 
Yeah trading QB would be SUPER risky IMO.

For starters, he's probably the Kings best option to try to shut down McDavid come playoff time this year.

You're also probably not going to get a great return for him right now given he's been underwhelming so far as a 2OA pick and he has a $6.25m cap hit. Some teams would certainly be interested in the potential but they certainly won't pay a price that's comparable to his potential.

So you'd be selling low, you'd be losing center depth for the playoffs (even though Byfield's offensive production isn't great he's arguably the only player on the Kings who can remotely keep up with McDavid's skating and has matched up well against McDavid in the past), AND you'd be running the risk of trading a future franchise player.

And I know that last part is where I'll lose people - I realize people have doubts about Byfield's potential. And I get it. It's frustrating waiting all these years for a 2nd overall pick to show up. HOWEVER, there are plenty of players who don't break out in the NHL until they turn 23-25 and emerge as ELITE players.
  • Tage Thompson - broke out at 24 years old
  • Brandon Hagel - broke out at 24 years old
  • Nathon Mackinnon - showed flashes but really didn't become the world-beater he is today until he was ~23 years old
  • Jesper Bratt - broke out at 23 years old
  • Martin Necas - broke out at 24 years old and seems to be finding another gear at 26 years old
  • Kirill Marchenko - currently breaking out at 24 years old
And those examples just come after a quick look at the top 50 NHL points leaders across the league.

Yes, Byfield has been underwhelming and yes you'd absolutely expect more from a 2OA pick at this point. But I think we've seen enough flashes to know there's some serious potential there.

He's had some highlight reel goals and assists (in particular last year). He has a 20 goal season under his belt. His defensive game is actually surprisingly strong. And he still doesn't turn 23 until next summer.

Again, I get that it's been frustrating - But I really do still believe Byfield will be worth the wait.
 
MonkeysUncle said:
Cozens +? Or a bigger deal with Spence, Qb, 1st for Cozens and Byram?
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This would be super interesting but very risky and personally I don't think you'd need to add the 1st.

Byram has a higher ceiling than Spence but Spence at $1.5m for this year and next is VERY good value - he's also a right shot which teams typically value a bit more. In terms of production this year Byram really isn't THAT much ahead of Spence - both 23 years old so there certainly could be a little more there for both players.

Byfield might have a higher ceiling than Cozens and is significantly better defensively. Cozens is such a difficult player to evaluate - he had one REALLY good year and has been pretty underwhelming otherwise. If you trade for Cozens, are you getting that 31 goal, 68 point forward he was in the 2022/23 season or are you getting the ~0.50 point per game forward he's been otherwise??

The year Cozens put up 31 goals his shooting % was 5-6 percentage points higher than other years - So was that just a year where he had some good puck luck and potted an extra ~10 goals or so as a result?? Or is that the kind of player he truly is and things just REALLY haven't been working out in Buffalo?

I know QB's offensive production is also a bit of a mystery but I reallllllly think there's significantly more there. Just this morning I was watching a video of Kopitar's goals from last year and MAN Byfield made some HIGH skill plays to set up quite a few of them. Byfield's shot also seems to be slightly better this year. I really think QB is going to be a seriously dangerous player when he puts it all together.
 
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MonkeysUncle said:
Cozens +? Or a bigger deal with Spence, Qb, 1st for Cozens and Byram?
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Rather have QB than Cozens. Would like to have both actually. Byfield-Cozens-Helenius is good size down the middle for when Kopitar and Danault are gone.
Hes struggling more than Byfield to live up to his contract at the moment. Those fans dont think much of Cozens at center but I think hed learn the position well under a coach like Hiller. Kings dont touch that deal though.
 
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