2025 Summer Transfer Rumors and Discussion Closed Window

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I never thought I’d see the day Arsenal is accused of that lol

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Betis in advanced negotiations for Anthony on the a permeant deal.

 

[Savant]

You say that like we're Chelsea...

No, not like Chelsea, but Arteta also has expensive tastes and likes to spend too. Arsenal aren’t exactly penny pinchers

I agree that it's not the best move for Huijsen and it doesn't even make much sense for Arsenal unless someone is sold. But our lineup has basically been taped and bandaged together all season, so it's pretty hard to say we're just collecting talent.

I think it’s fair to say Arsenal have been collecting defenders at a high clip.

 

[Jussi]

Betis in advanced negotiations for Anthony on the a permeant deal.

AnTONY. Without the "h".

As long as the price covers United on the PSR/FFP front, good. But what's the source on this?

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Betis in advanced negotiations for Anthony on the a permeant deal.

Would be a nice story but I didn't think it was realistic from Betis' side. Thought I read somewhere it would take something like 30M from Man U's side which would be more than Betis usually spends on transfers in a year, much less on one player.

 

[KJS14]

No, not like Chelsea, but Arteta also has expensive tastes and likes to spend too. Arsenal aren’t exactly penny pinchers

I think it’s fair to say Arsenal have been collecting defenders at a high clip.

We don't even have a healthy RB to play today lol

If everyone were healthy, we realistically have sufficient competition at each position because they're all versatile, but we're far from collecting them. The only position you can argue we have too much depth in is LB, but one of them is really a midfielder who came from the academy (MLS) and at least one more will be gone this summer (Tierney/Zinchenko), and Tierney was bought pre-Arteta.

RB: Timber, White
RCB: Saliba
LCB: Gabriel, Kiwior
LB: MLS, Calafiori, Zinchenko, Tierney

Tomiyasu hasn't been healthy for 18+ months, so I don't even think it's fair to include him, but even add him and you're reaching on "collecting defenders."

 

[Jussi]

Would be a nice story but I didn't think it was realistic from Betis' side. Thought I read somewhere it would take something like 30M from Man U's side which would be more than Betis usually spends on transfers in a year, much less on one player.

Whatever amount gets United on the profit side re: PSR/FFP, will get the deal done. I think it's more likely they loan him for another season and then buy him. Of course if his performances continue to improve, there could be other suitors.

 

[hatterson]

AnTONY. Without the "h".

As long as the price covers United on the PSR/FFP front, good. But what's the source on this?

Seems unlikely they'll get back to 100% on PSR given that they still owe ~38M on him. Best bet would be a season long loan for 25/26 with a 19M buy obligation for summer 2026 although even getting 19 for him is iffy given he started well in Betis with 2g 2a in the first 4 games, although he picked up a red later in the 4th game and since they hasn't done anything.

 

[Savant]

We don't even have a healthy RB to play today lol

If everyone were healthy, we realistically have sufficient competition at each position because they're all versatile, but we're far from collecting them. The only position you can argue we have too much depth in is LB, but one of them is really a midfielder who came from the academy (MLS) and at least one more will be gone this summer (Tierney/Zinchenko), and Tierney was bought pre-Arteta.

RB: Timber, White
RCB: Saliba
LCB: Gabriel, Kiwior
LB: MLS, Calafiori, Zinchenko, Tierney

Tomiyasu hasn't been healthy for 18+ months, so I don't even think it's fair to include him, but even add him and you're reaching on "collecting defenders."

I can say that I might be biased because my team has bought one defender since 2021. I see Arsenal who have bought at least a half dozen since then, and probably at least 10 since Arteta has been in charge; and yeah that seems like a lot. The fact that there are currently injuries has nothing to do with the volume of defenders that Arsenal have purchased under Arteta. But I guess it’s all relative

 

[Jussi]

Seems unlikely they'll get back to 100% on PSR given that they still owe ~38M on him. Best bet would be a season long loan for 25/26 with a 19M buy obligation for summer 2026 although even getting 19 for him is iffy given he started well in Betis with 2g 2a in the first 4 games, although he picked up a red later in the 4th game and since they hasn't done anything.

He also has 2+2 in the Conference League. But like I said, I haven't seen any of the top tier sources reporting yet on Betis wanting to buy him this summer.

 

[KJS14]

I can say that I might be biased because my team has bought one defender since 2021.

Liverpool has also spent significantly more on wages than Arsenal during that time period (and still does). But I know you guys love to cry poor and forget that you spend ridiculous sums of money too. You spent world record sums on a CB and GK within the last decade, but we're supposed to feel sorry for you that you've only spent high fees on midfielders and attackers instead of defenders over the last 3 years...

Liverpool's last few transfer windows include:

• Summer 2021: Konate (€40M)
• Winter 2022: Luis Diaz (€53M)
• Summer 2022: Darwin Nunez (€85M)
• Winter 2023: Gakpo (€42M)
• Summer 2023: Szoboslai (€70M), MacAllister (€42M), Gravenberch (€40M)

I see Arsenal who have bought at least a half dozen since then, and probably at least 10 since Arteta has been in charge; and yeah that seems like a lot. The fact that there are currently injuries has nothing to do with the volume of defenders that Arsenal have purchased under Arteta. But I guess it’s all relative

Defenders purchased under Arteta (5+ years):

• Summer 2020: Gabriel (€26M), Pablo Mari (€6M)
• Summer 2021: White (€58.5M), Tomiyasu (€18.5M), Nuno Tavares (€8M)
• Summer 2022: Zinchenko (€35M)
• Winter 2023: Kiwior (€19.5M)
• Summer 2023: Timber (€40M)
• Summer 2024: Calafiori (€45M)

So yes, when we count stalwarts like Pablo Mari and Nuno Tavares, the total is 9 defenders. And in that same time period we had 10+ defenders sold or let their contracts run out (David Luiz, Sokratis, Mustafi, Kolasinac, Mavropanos, Bellerin, Pablo Mari, Nuno Tavares, Maitland-Niles, Rob Holding).

It's almost like people forget that Arteta had to essentially turn over an entire squad to get them to where they are today. Did he spend money? Yes. Did he spend it a lot better than most other clubs? Also yes.

 

[Savant]

Liverpool has also spent significantly more on wages than Arsenal during that time period (and still does). But I know you guys love to cry poor and forget that you spend ridiculous sums of money too. You spent world record sums on a CB and GK within the last decade, but we're supposed to feel sorry for you that you've only spent high fees on midfielders and attackers instead of defenders over the last 3 years...

Liverpool's last few transfer windows include:

• Summer 2021: Konate (€40M)
• Winter 2022: Luis Diaz (€53M)
• Summer 2022: Darwin Nunez (€85M)
• Winter 2023: Gakpo (€42M)
• Summer 2023: Szoboslai (€70M), MacAllister (€42M), Gravenberch (€40M)

Defenders purchased under Arteta (5+ years):

• Summer 2020: Gabriel (€26M), Pablo Mari (€6M)
• Summer 2021: White (€58.5M), Tomiyasu (€18.5M), Nuno Tavares (€8M)
• Summer 2022: Zinchenko (€35M)
• Winter 2023: Kiwior (€19.5M)
• Summer 2023: Timber (€40M)
• Summer 2024: Calafiori (€45M)

So yes, when we count stalwarts like Pablo Mari and Nuno Tavares, the total is 9 defenders. And in that same time period we had 10+ defenders sold or let their contracts run out (David Luiz, Sokratis, Mustafi, Kolasinac, Mavropanos, Bellerin, Pablo Mari, Nuno Tavares, Maitland-Niles, Rob Holding).

It's almost like people forget that Arteta had to essentially turn over an entire squad to get them to where they are today. Did he spend money? Yes. Did he spend it a lot better than most other clubs? Also yes.

You are moving the goal posts quite a bit here. My point is Arsenal are stockpiling defenders because they have bought over ten of them since Arteta has been in charge. What you are saying about LFC, no on is denying, and has nothing to do with Arsenal adding 10 defenders.

On the wages thing - LFC pay a lot and they also pay a lot in incentive bonuses because they win things. The other reason that this is a bad point is that LFC are an older team than Arsenal, so yeah they have players on higher wages. Arsenal just haven't had to give their monster extensions out yet. Saka, and Saliba probably gets near double on there next deals so they aren't exactly a rag tag bunch either. Rice and Odegaard next deals are doing to start with a 3 instead of a 2 in all likelihood. Price of the brick is going up.

And again, if you want to conveniently ignore net spend want talking about transfer fees like you lot usually do, go right ahead

 

[KJS14]

You are moving the goal posts quite a bit here. My point is Arsenal are stockpiling defenders because they have bought over ten of them since Arteta has been in charge. What you are saying about LFC, no on is denying, and has nothing to do with Arsenal adding 10 defenders.

On the wages thing - LFC pay a lot and they also pay a lot in incentive bonuses because they win things. The other reason that this is a bad point is that LFC are an older team than Arsenal, so yeah they have players on higher wages. Arsenal just haven't had to give their monster extensions out yet. Saka, and Saliba probably gets near double on there next deals so they aren't exactly a rag tag bunch either. Rice and Odegaard next deals are doing to start with a 3 instead of a 2 in all likelihood. Price of the brick is going up.

And again, if you want to conveniently ignore net spend want talking about transfer fees like you lot usually do, go right ahead

You say "stockpiling defenders" while we've bought less than we've sold/let go over the same time period. Were we not supposed to buy players to make our team better? You're complaining about Arsenal improving their team and acting like we've been putting together a Chelsea loan army.

 

[Savant]

You say "stockpiling defenders" while we've bought less than we've sold/let go over the same time period. Were we not supposed to buy players to make our team better? You're complaining about Arsenal improving their team and acting like we've been putting together a Chelsea loan army.

Again, I did not say any of those things. I said Arsenal have bought a lot of players. Buying a lot of players is stockpiliing. I think ten players is a lot of players. I am not even complaining. I am saying that Arsenal have bought 10ish defenders since 2020

 

[S E P H]

No, not like Chelsea, but Arteta also has expensive tastes and likes to spend too. Arsenal aren’t exactly penny pinchers

I think it’s fair to say Arsenal have been collecting defenders at a high clip.

Arsenal spent like Oxford United for a decade after the Emirates was built while Liverpool was spending like clowns of Man United, Chelsea, Barca, Madrid, PSG, and Man City the entire time. You are about ten years behind any single type of morality spending debate blud.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

“Morality” touch grass man

 

[Savant]

Arsenal spent like Oxford United for a decade after the Emirates was built while Liverpool was spending like clowns of Man United, Chelsea, Barca, Madrid, PSG, and Man City the entire time. You are about ten years behind any single type of morality spending debate blud.

 

[S E P H]

“Morality” touch grass man

That's the argument that Savant is coming across as, no? He's whining that Arsenal is spending as much as the biggest spenders in the world, which he is conveniently leaving out the entire ten years where we barely spent any money whatsoever, when all the clubs were. Like, nobody can whine about Arsenal's spending habits when for ten years we were buying Gervinhos' and Djourous' of the world for 15 million.

 

[Savant]

That's the argument that Savant is coming across as, no? He's whining that Arsenal is spending as much as the biggest spenders in the world, which he is conveniently leaving out the entire ten years where we barely spent any money whatsoever, when all the clubs were.

LFC’s spending under (for example) Hicks and Gillette has nothing to do with with the money Arsenal have spent under Arteta. I’m talking about what’s happening in this era.

Like, nobody can whine about Arsenal's spending habits when for ten years we were buying Gervinhos' and Djourous' of the world for 15 million.

How much did yall spend on Nicolas Pepe again?

Silly to bring up, right? And that’s still more recent than ten years ago

 

[S E P H]

LFC’s spending under (for example) Hicks and Gillette has nothing to do with with the money Arsenal have spent under Arteta. I’m talking about what’s happening in this era.

How much did yall spend on Nicolas Pepe again?

Silly to bring up, right? And that’s still more recent than ten years ago

Alexis Sanchez was Arsenal's biggest transfer move ever at that point in time...for 35 million pounds.

Around the 2014 season (give or take a couple of years), Liverpool spent 47 million for Benteke in 2015, 40 million for Mane in 2016, 41 million for Firmino in 2015, 41 million for Carroll in 2010, 38 million for Torres in 2007, 31 million for Lallana in 2014, 25 for Lovren in 2014, and 25 million for Markovic in 2014.

 

[Savant]

Alexis Sanchez was Arsenal's biggest transfer move ever at that point in time...for 35 million pounds.

Around the 2014 season (give or take a couple of years), Liverpool spent 47 million for Benteke in 2015, 40 million for Mane in 2016, 41 million for Firmino in 2015, 41 million for Carroll in 2010, 38 million for Torres in 2007, 31 million for Lallana in 2014, 25 for Lovren in 2014, and 25 million for Markovic in 2014.

And again, this has nothing to do with anything right now

 

[S E P H]

And again, this has nothing to do with anything right now

But the problem you ain't getting is you can't debate that Arsenal is Chelsea 2.0 when there is an entire decade of underspending while having the largest ticket prices in all of the UK.

The entire time that Liverpool was spending like Man United, Man City, and Chelsea, Arsenal was spending like Oxford United. That's why I brought them up. Who gives a f*** that Arsenal spent 80+ million on Pepe when Liverpool was spending on Pepes' through the 90s, 2000s, 2010s, and now 2020s. Arsenal never spent much until the mid-2010s. If Arsenal is overspending on players, it's because we should have a 3 billion pound war chest that they haven't used in like 10 to 15 years.

 

[Savant]

But the problem you ain't getting is you can't debate that Arsenal is Chelsea 2.0 when there is an entire decade of underspending while having the largest ticket prices in all of the UK.

I never said this

The entire time that Liverpool was spending like Man United, Man City, and Chelsea, Arsenal was spending like Oxford United. That's why I brought them up. Who gives a f*** that Arsenal spent 80+ million on Pepe when Liverpool was spending on Pepes' through the 90s, 2000s, 2010s, and now 2020s. Arsenal never spent much until the mid-2010s. If Arsenal is overspending on players, it's because we should have a 3 billion pound war chest that they haven't used in like 10 to 15 years.

That’s not how any of this works

 

[les Habs]

Alexis Sanchez was Arsenal's biggest transfer move ever at that point in time...for 35 million pounds.

Around the 2014 season (give or take a couple of years), Liverpool spent 47 million for Benteke in 2015, 40 million for Mane in 2016, 41 million for Firmino in 2015, 41 million for Carroll in 2010, 38 million for Torres in 2007, 31 million for Lallana in 2014, 25 for Lovren in 2014, and 25 million for Markovic in 2014.

Give or take a couple of years? Around 2014? For starters, a couple is two. And 2010? 2007??? LOL. And Arsenal have been spending quite a bit for the better part of the last decade. Not far off twice what Liverpool, but regardless of that enough such that you lot should quite playing whataboutism and just own it.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Could be a good move for him. I’d rather nevekusen because they’re in a good spot but no one who went to Germany from Argentina has done exceptional