BG44
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Is something happening today? I want to go take a nap.
2025 Offseason Talk
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Elysian
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We haven't even seen the trade yet. Also, Calgary didn't do that bad, Weegar is a good Dman and Hubs is a solid top line winger, just overpaid and has no talent around him.
I'm guessing what @Dallasman is saying its not a one for one trade, but we will be getting back some good pieces and giving up the best player.
Lets say we get a good roster player back, a solid prospect and some picks and then use Jrob's cap space to sign a top 4 RHD then its not that bad.
Regardless, lets wait and see the details if/when it happens
Troy McClure
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Finally pulling the plug on DeBoer? Works for me. The more I think about how the team got their asses kicked in all three WCF appearances, the less I want him back. All these 20 and 30 goal guys, Nill giving DeBoer Rantanen and Granlund as new toys, and the offense still completely dried up.
Was it DeBoer's fault? I honestly have no idea, but I do know DeBoer had no answers. He couldn't figure out how to get these guys to score. Maybe no coach could. Maybe it was entirely a roster problem. But bringing back the guy who we know can't figure out how to get this group to score in the playoffs wasn't the right answer.
Time to try something else.
Was it DeBoer's fault? I honestly have no idea, but I do know DeBoer had no answers. He couldn't figure out how to get these guys to score. Maybe no coach could. Maybe it was entirely a roster problem. But bringing back the guy who we know can't figure out how to get this group to score in the playoffs wasn't the right answer.
Time to try something else.
Elysian
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Who?
There's no one out there with the pedigree of DeBoer that isn't at the end of their careers. PDB got us closer than we've been since 2020, 3 times in a row. Run it back, improve the glaring weaknesses we all knew we had, and don't blame the WCF failure on just the coaching. Takes an entire team effort to crap the bed as bad as we did in the WCF.
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ZeHockeyFan
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Forgot Hamhuis too. Funnily, they wanted Hamhuis at the 2016 deadline and had to settle for Russell as they balked at Vancouver's asking price for Hamhuis (should've just given them the 1st that they may have coveted, instead of wasting the pick on Tufte). They managed to bring him into the team that off-season for 2016-17 and the following season, and he didn't quite pan out and they still missed the playoffs those two years.
starsfan86
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He couldn’t get his team motivated though, especially at the beginning of the games. Captains should help with that, but he and his staff are responsible for keeping the players focused throughout the entire game.
M88K
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I also forgot Vatanen.
It's a whole lot of bad on the blue line in his tenure that wasn't homegrown
ZeHockeyFan
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I'd like to think that he tried hard to fix the blueline, but you simply cannot do the equivalent of throwing that much shit on the wall and hoping something sticks. All of those acquisitions reek of not much forethought and planning, and largely being risk-aversive, from the perspective of balking at giving up a 1st rounder and/or a drafted prospect, to get an impactful D man. For 13 years this team- known for its D identity- has run a pretty underwhelming blueline unit every season. That's telling.
Elysian
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this offseason is 5 days old and I’m exhausted already
Troy McClure
Suter will never be scratched
Who? Someone else.
I'd say a glaring weakness is a coach who couldn't figure out how to get any offense out of these guys for the past two months.
Elysian
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Never gonna agree with you on this one. It's not like he went out there and told them not to score.
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Elysian
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Troy McClure
Suter will never be scratched
But he for sure couldn't figure out line combinations that created offense. He couldn't figure out different approaches to create offense with the guys he had. He had no answers (other than Oettinger was to blame...).
Like I said, maybe no coach could have better luck with these guys. But let's find out. Pete has had three attempts at this and has gotten his teeth kicked in three seasons in a row when getting to the WCF.
Elysian
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And we, as fans, literally knew the glaring weaknesses of this team 2 months ago.
The other team wants to win too.
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Elysian
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It's not the coach.
I hated the PDB hire initially, and said as much here, but he's legitimately one of the best coaches in the game.
Troy McClure
Suter will never be scratched
We knew the weaknesses but were also excited about the supposed strength of having three lines of offensive depth. That strength disappeared the final month of the regular season and for the whole playoff run.
No team is perfect. They all have weaknesses, but DeBoer saw his team's weaknesses exposed and the strengths negated.
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Calgary lost two hundred point players in the same summer so it's not the same scenario. Additionally it wasn't the trade itself that was poor ( in fact it was great value) it was the subsequent extension of Huberdeau on a team that didn't have the talent to compliment his skillset that was the huge miscalculation by Treliving and ownership.
If Calgary had signed Weegar and flipped Huberdeau they would be in a great spot right now.
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