the oilers beat the stars with..... more 30 year olds? Look at team composition percentages in playoffs before making stuff up
The Hurricanes youth infusion couldn't help them get past the cats either
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the oilers beat the stars with..... more 30 year olds? Look at team composition percentages in playoffs before making stuff up
The Hurricanes youth infusion couldn't help them get past the cats either
ZeHockeyFan
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You may find that funny. I'm pretty sure Jake Oettinger, who is the Stars starter signed until 2030, does not.
Elysian
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He'll get over it.
I'm sure Oettinger - a professional hockey player - can handle constructive criticism from his coach lmfao
Elysian
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It's weird that we're pretending PDB was wrong in this one. Oetter did not have a good series, and let in 2 goals on 2 shots, leaving him in wouldn't have helped anything.
What annoyed me about PDB was how animated and loud he got when they were down 2-0, while the rest of the series he was stone faced and reserved. Where was that urgency when we gave up the first period every game prior?
What annoyed me about PDB was how animated and loud he got when they were down 2-0, while the rest of the series he was stone faced and reserved. Where was that urgency when we gave up the first period every game prior?
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You're missing the point. We're not talking about constructive criticism. Oettinger had no chance on the first two goals and it was anybody but Oettinger's fault that the Stars skaters tried to half ass the game until they were three goals down.
Honestly- I think he did end up getting the decision wrong. Everything about the way he took Oettinger out of the game reeked of a panic play. He laced into the players in that timeout and didn't make the decision until Oettinger was skating back to his crease.
Personally- I don't think those goals were on Oettinger. How many big breakaway stops has he made in playoffs to give them a chance? It was pretty often. The Oilers go 2 for 2 in shots - both high danger.
Pete says it was to send his team a message. Well a minute later - his team responds by skating around the slot like headless chickens and a guy that hasn't played a game for the Oilers since April 21 finds a way to sneak one by an obviously cold Casey Desmith.
I'm not missing anything, your post I responded to literally says "he needs to apologize to Oettinger" .... and "his comments afterwards were totally unacceptable though."
Oettinger is a big boy and gets paid to play in a league where sometimes this is what happens.
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No. The coach blaming the one guy who had literally no chance to anything for a loss his teammates caused by half assing the game until 0-3 down isn't exactly "what happens". That's usually what coaches say who know they're not gonna be back.
I would go after Kane and Toews. This team needs leaders and they know what it takes. Boeser is pretty good playoff performer. (small take tho) can't see him taking good contract tho.
The coach is definitely wrong for expecting his goalie to outplay the opposing goalie, you're right!
Elysian
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He had to do something, I also don't think those goals were on Oetter, but I'm also surprised we didn't see DeSmith sooner in this series. Oetter was not the problem, but he also wasn't good enough.
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I don't see anything wrong with PDBs statement about Oettinger. He isn't showing himself to be that goalie who can be relied on in tough situations and eventually win it all in the playoffs (personally, I dont think they'll ever win the cup with him in net). He needs to take that criticism in stride and play better. Or, if he wants a trade out, he can demand it.
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Agree- he definitely had to do something after that start but his skaters weren't matching the Oilers. Oettinger can't score goals.
For a team that made it to the final 4- there were a lot of warts. The blame is shared on the shoulders of the players/coach/GM. Not sure what changes need to be made but they only have 4.5M with many open roster spots .... and several guys under contract that were playoff scratches.
7 game losing skid to end the season that bled into playoffs.
Ceci kept getting exposed by his former team. He was spotty in earlier series but the PK was buzzing. I wonder how much going down 2-1.... 3-1 in a series vs his former team impacted his mindset? He got dog walked every single game.
Jim Nill signs 3 veteran defensemen to try and add some depth to the team but none of them end up playing in the final game of the season. Pretty f***ing wild stuff.
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The one guy who can't be blamed for the loss is Jake Oettinger. Only played a few minutes, had pretty much no chance on both goals he allowed. Those goals happened because of the skaters starting an elimination game about as lazy as it gets. It's at least partly the coaches responsibility to make sure the players are prepared, focused, fired up and ready to go. That clearly wasn't the case. Not just once in the elimination game but over and over again. Yet still the coach puts the blame on the one guy who simply couldn't have done anything to change the outcome of the game.
...and you don't have a problem with it? I'm pretty sure Jake Oettinger does. If DeBoer felt the need to single out guys to call out he should have started with himself and maybe continued with some of the forwards who did nothing but take stupid, lazy ass penalties. Otherwise the smart move would have been to just keep his mouth shut. The bs he did say has done damage difficult to repair. Like I said, he spoke like a coach knowing he's done.
I like Pete DeBoer as a coach but there's really no excuse for what he said.
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Build around : rantanen , Robertson , heiskanen , Johnston , Harley , bichsel and otter . Not sure about hintz anymore . We need to somehow get a couple more lian bichsels though . He’s about the only guy whose game I loved these playoffs . Just a fierce competitor. Only way I see us ever shutting down mcdavid is if he’s getting rocked every shift and given no space .
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So what I've been told:
-Robertson will most likely be moved this off-season
-Dumba is gone
-We are high on a UFA d-man but apparently that interest has cooled due to some things about said UFA d-man
Give it a few days. There may be more coming after Gags, Nill and management have time to decompress.
Gags is NOT happy, that much I've been told.
-Robertson will most likely be moved this off-season
-Dumba is gone
-We are high on a UFA d-man but apparently that interest has cooled due to some things about said UFA d-man
Give it a few days. There may be more coming after Gags, Nill and management have time to decompress.
Gags is NOT happy, that much I've been told.
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Otter certainly wasn't good in this series but all PDB had to say was something along the lines of waking the team up. Which is what is ALWAYS said during these situations.
He worded it that way for a reason, and what a weird time to do it, Otter has been lit up at times and you finally pull him after those goals? Get outta here.
Your team came out flat AGAIN because you didn't have them prepared for the third straight year and you wanted a distraction from their piss-poor play by throwing your goaltender who got you here under the bus.
He worded it that way for a reason, and what a weird time to do it, Otter has been lit up at times and you finally pull him after those goals? Get outta here.
Your team came out flat AGAIN because you didn't have them prepared for the third straight year and you wanted a distraction from their piss-poor play by throwing your goaltender who got you here under the bus.
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There's something really wrong with this team. On paper this team is better than the team last year but underperfoming of core players in inexcusable.
Basically this team was carried by Rantanen and Oettinger from first round up to this point. But the problems with 5v5 have been there atleast after the 4 nations. Yes that 7 game loss streak after the regular season is one example but even before that Dallas was winning some not so good teams only barely while getting outshotted.
And then in the playoffs they get outplayed by Colorado in the first round in 5v5. Get saved by superhuman perfromance by Rantanen but also Oettigner. Then in the Wpg series they get shut out in two games.
Look at Rantanen for example:
In no way was this loss because of Rantanen getting cold in the Edmonton series. He was by far the best player of this team in these playoffs apart from Oettinger.
Then you have Duchene with 0 points in 5v5 (!). Like wtf. Benn only has 1 5v5 point. Who is the second in points to Rantanen in 5v5 points? Sam Steel. Then third is the defender Thomas Harley.
This is not a recipe for winning a cup. No way underperfoming 5v5 this bad would even get them to WCF if it wasn't for Rantanen.
There's definitely some mental issues and leadership issues. But I would definitely fire DeBoer after how he embarrased Otter and start from there. Duchene needs be gone too and be replaced with speed, youth and grit. Same with Benn. Maybe Robertson too.
Basically this team was carried by Rantanen and Oettinger from first round up to this point. But the problems with 5v5 have been there atleast after the 4 nations. Yes that 7 game loss streak after the regular season is one example but even before that Dallas was winning some not so good teams only barely while getting outshotted.
And then in the playoffs they get outplayed by Colorado in the first round in 5v5. Get saved by superhuman perfromance by Rantanen but also Oettigner. Then in the Wpg series they get shut out in two games.
Look at Rantanen for example:
- Scored 17.6% (almost fifth) of all Stars points.
- Leads the second in scoring (Harley) in points by 36%
- Leads the team in high danger scoring chances and shots in 5v5 and all strengths
- Only one to score on Winnipegs home ice
In no way was this loss because of Rantanen getting cold in the Edmonton series. He was by far the best player of this team in these playoffs apart from Oettinger.
Then you have Duchene with 0 points in 5v5 (!). Like wtf. Benn only has 1 5v5 point. Who is the second in points to Rantanen in 5v5 points? Sam Steel. Then third is the defender Thomas Harley.
This is not a recipe for winning a cup. No way underperfoming 5v5 this bad would even get them to WCF if it wasn't for Rantanen.
There's definitely some mental issues and leadership issues. But I would definitely fire DeBoer after how he embarrased Otter and start from there. Duchene needs be gone too and be replaced with speed, youth and grit. Same with Benn. Maybe Robertson too.
PDB mentioned that one of the team's best qualities is their ability to take criticism well. Otter didn't go all Patrick Roi on Pete, so I think he will get over it. No goalie likes it, but every goalie gets pulled every so often. I thought Pete might have pulled Otter for rest in an earlier blowout game to keep him fresher.
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I already said it in my last post and couldn't have said it any better. If he takes it in stride and strives to do better, it's good for him and his career in Dallas. If he doesn't like what PDB said, he can always ask for a trade out of Dallas.
That said, regardless of whether it's PDB or some other coach taking over the helm, he is going to have to deal with being in the spotlight as one of the higher-paid goalies (once his contract extension begins), playing for a contending team. And that spotlight can be for the right or the wrong reasons.
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