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Speculation: 2025 Off-season Thread
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I mean I’d be willing to keep Nelson but just not at what we’re thinking it would cost. 3 or 4 year 7mill is just way too much and it will only set us back even more.
I’d be willing to keep Nelson for something like 5 x 2 max, so if it doesn’t work out, it’s not more than 2 years and we’d still have few year window, or if Nelson would do one year 6 mill or something, I’d do that but don’t think he would
expatriatedtexan
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Would love Drury to become that 3C by the end of the year. But as much as I love the kid, I'm not sure he's got it in him. I kinda of view him as the center version of LOC. Guys that can play the third line, but you would really feel a hell of a lot deeper with them on your 4th. If we do go MacK > Coyle > Drury, than I suppose Steinburg, Ivan² or a PTO will fill in on the 4th to start.
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Here are some of the options I see, if they don't re-sign Nelson.
- Sign Bennett
- Sign Tavares
- Trade a D man+ for a 2C, then replace D man with UFA or Behrens
- Trade Necas+ for a 2C + lesser RW
- Trade for Kadri (he's older but he worked before and had 35g 67pts last year)
- Try Necas at 2C and sign a UFA RW
- Try Coyle at 2C and Drury at 3C and re-evaluate later
- Sign Lars Eller and hang ourselves
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I really don’t see Bennett and Tavares hitting the market. I think they’ll both be re-signed
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It's possible. I'm not sure where the money comes from though if Toronto re-signs Marner, and after Florida traded for Jones. Maybe they can figure it out though.
Tavares had 38 goals and 74 points this year. He may take a discount to stay in Toronto, but he won't be cheap either.
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Yeah, that's why this 2C situation, after they gave up all their assets this year, with a weak UFA class, is so troubling. Adding Nelson as an option doesn't make it look much better.
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Not sure about Florida’s cap situation, but Toronto has 26 mill in cap space next year. Marner gets 12 or 13 mill, Tavares about 8 or so, then they have to sign Knies who’s a RFA. They can make it work
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Yeah maybe, I haven't crunched the numbers. They've got a few other cheap forwards to sign/replace though.
How much is Knies getting in this scenario? 22 years old, and just scored 29 goals, and 58 points. Having a good playoffs too. Even on a bridge deal, he probably won't be cheap either.
He isn't arbitration eligible so that helps them, but do they want to risk low balling him on a bridge deal, and him holding out?
If they were smart IMO, they'd let Tavares walk, sign Knies long term to a lower number than he'll get next time, and spread Tavares money around the rest of the lineup.
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Here are some of the options I see, if they don't re-sign Nelson.
- Sign Bennett
- Sign Tavares
- Trade a D man+ for a 2C, then replace D man with UFA or Behrens
- Trade Necas+ for a 2C + lesser RW
- Trade for Kadri (he's older but he worked before and had 35g 67pts last year)
- Try Necas at 2C and sign a UFA RW
- Try Coyle at 2C and Drury at 3C and re-evaluate later
- Sign Lars Eller and hang ourselves ==> WTF?
I see just one real option.
Bennett or Tavaras wont come to play in Denver. Forget it.
We wont trade Necas or Coyle either.
The team that made history on Saturday (and not in a gogd way) will be 80% the same that goes into the season in october... With Bednar as HC.......
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I don't necessarily think they would do all those, just that those are some of their options.
In terms of what they'll do, seems like trading Girard or Manson wouldn't be too high on the list, but it's something they should consider. Too bad the UFA class is so thin and they haven't seen Behrens in the NHL yet.
Did you mean to cross out trying Coyle at 2C or trading him?
I do think trading Coyle is an option, because it doesn't make sense to trade Mikko to afford better depth, and then pay Coyle $5.25M to play 3C.
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Forceberg
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I would send all remaining assets to Boston and get Pastrnak. Probably not available, but that would be it for me. For example:
Landeskog - Necas - Pastrnak as 2nd line.
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Byram, Ritchie, and multiple 1sts/2nd round picks would honestly be a great package for Pasta. Hell I would've taken Hertl for that. Cmac man....
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He had a great season, but giving Tavares a multiyear $8M+ contract is risky. He’ll be 35 at the start of next season. He could do a ‘Stamkos’.
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Going with Coyle as #2C is the same as thinking Compher would be fine as our #2C it's just another disaster awaiting IMO.
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Using Coyle as a 2C is going to basically put Mack in the same spot next year where he’s playing 25 minutes a game.
I think we’re always going to have a problem at 2C. Other than one singular season of Kadri, the 2Cs have all been generally the same, and everyone here thinks they’re not good enough.
At this point, it’s become impossible to even know who would be a good fit. Mitts didn’t analytically fit and didn’t work. Nelso, analytically and historically was a fit, and he didn’t seem to work.
The thing with Nelson for me, is that I think it was too short a period to really evaluate properly.
I still believe Nelson can work, and we saw his line drastically improve when Landeskog was put onto it.
With Nelson, the Avs have limitless possibilities on how to assemble the top 6 with Landeskog, Nuke, Lehkonen, Necas and Mack. Find the right combos.
A Lehkonen-nelson-Necas line should be fantastic in theory. Shame we never saw it.
I know we hate the idea of Nelson after his play. But at the same time, the guy has been a producer for far too long to just say he doesn’t fit. Sometimes it takes time. Sometimes it takes finding chemistry with linemates. Sometimes it takes just tweaking the lines until something works.
I don’t see how the Avs can afford to not try to sign him. We have so few assets to address problems. If you don’t get a UFA 2C, which is unlikely, that leaves you to trade for one. And that means sacrificing somewhere else in the lineup. And then you’re still short on assets to fix that hole.
I think we’re always going to have a problem at 2C. Other than one singular season of Kadri, the 2Cs have all been generally the same, and everyone here thinks they’re not good enough.
At this point, it’s become impossible to even know who would be a good fit. Mitts didn’t analytically fit and didn’t work. Nelso, analytically and historically was a fit, and he didn’t seem to work.
The thing with Nelson for me, is that I think it was too short a period to really evaluate properly.
I still believe Nelson can work, and we saw his line drastically improve when Landeskog was put onto it.
With Nelson, the Avs have limitless possibilities on how to assemble the top 6 with Landeskog, Nuke, Lehkonen, Necas and Mack. Find the right combos.
A Lehkonen-nelson-Necas line should be fantastic in theory. Shame we never saw it.
I know we hate the idea of Nelson after his play. But at the same time, the guy has been a producer for far too long to just say he doesn’t fit. Sometimes it takes time. Sometimes it takes finding chemistry with linemates. Sometimes it takes just tweaking the lines until something works.
I don’t see how the Avs can afford to not try to sign him. We have so few assets to address problems. If you don’t get a UFA 2C, which is unlikely, that leaves you to trade for one. And that means sacrificing somewhere else in the lineup. And then you’re still short on assets to fix that hole.
No competent reporter would ask that, because a competent reporter would know that the Avs didn't have the cap space at the time to make that signing. They tried to make the cap space available, but ultimately were unable to
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Ignoring the Landeskog LTIR, all they had to do was not sign Manson ($4.5). And due to the butterfly effect, wouldn't have signed Rodrigues ($2.0).
Defense still would've had Byram, EJ, Girard, Makar, Toews. Top-6 of Kadri, Lehkonen, MacKinnon, Newhook, Nichushkin, Rantanen. Cogs, Compher, O'Connor, etc. in the bottom-6.
Whoever handles the PK - Bednar or Pratt or both - needs to be completely hands off next season. They have proven the system does not work and is easily picked apart.
Forceberg
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Is there a genius who can bring
PK and PP back on track? Or do 2 have to do it?
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haven't looked it up but did they vastly improve the special teams when they were in charge vs their predecessor?
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