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TLEH said:
He just played favorites. He had guys he liked and didn’t like. Which is all coaches. Leddy definitely got jerked around when he was here. Kempny got scratched and then played huge minutes on a Stanley cup run for Washington. Daley played huge minutes after he was banished by Q. The corpse of Handzus might have single handily cost us the 2014 cup with how much Q overplayed him.

I agree that it wasn’t necessarily a young vs old thing.. more of a play style thing, which is fine I guess. But he had his whiffs.
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Leddy didn't get jerked around. Leddy played more than he should have his first couple seasons in the league and then after Oduya got here, he settled in extremely well to a more sheltered third pairing role with lots of PP time. Leddy's two best years in the NHL as a 5v5 player were 2012-13 and 2013-14. He's spent most of the rest of his career as a negative possession player playing 20+ minutes a night.

Daley never had Q's trust but I think that was more a timing thing. Daley was coming off a breakout season when he had 16 goals and 38 points being a 4th forward/rush chance creator in Dallas and that's now how Q wanted the D to play.

Kempny played 17 minutes a night, as a rotationary 4th D for Washington. That team had 3 guys averaging 24+ minutes a night and then Kempny and Orpik playing 16 and 17 minutes each. And then Kempny was out of the league 2 years later.

Handzus averaged 13 minutes a night for CHI in the 2014 run. Peter Regin got icetime and they converted Shaw to centre to try and mitigate but they didn't really have other options.
 
TheFridge said:
Q literally never did this. It's such an odd, enduring myth amongst certain Hawks fans. I guess because they really liked Brandon Pirri, Jeremy Morin, Jack Skille and Jimmy Hayes? And comparing him to Torts?

He took over a team with 20-year-old Toews and Kane, both of whom never ended up in the dog house. If Torts had his hands on 20-year-old Kane, he would've been a healthy scratch at points in 2008-09 and beyond.

21-year-old Niklas Hjalmarsson went from starting the season in Rockford to playing in the top-4 in the playoffs in 2008-09.

Kris Versteeg, Brandon Saad and Artemi Panarin were all Calder finalists (with Panarin winning) under Q.

Nick Leddy averaged 22 minutes a night as a 20-year-old for the entire 2011-12 season. Was he bumped down the depth chart for Oduya later? Yeah, bc Oduya was a better fit with Hammer.

Andrew Shaw and Marcus Kruger quickly ascended to the NHL roster and filled roles as 20 and 21-year-olds.

Teravainen played a key role in the top-9 with some PP time in 2014-15 in the playoffs as a 20-year-old.

Q didn't have a lot of time for bad players, or players that didn't fit the roles that were available on the team at the time. But he never had it out for young players. Not even close.
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Henri Jokiharju TVR and other young guys were also consistently playing under him.
 
ColbyChaos said:
Henri Jokiharju TVR and other young guys were also consistently playing under him.
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Yeah I mean the list went on and on. Hartman, Schmaltz, etc. I really have no idea where that narrative came from, other than, again, the old Jeremy Morin, Brandon Pirri, Jimmy Hayes days. And none of those guys were ever players.

Even Forsling, I distinctly remember how impressed Q was with Forsling during his first camp here when he made the Hawks in 2016-17. It's not a shock that after Forsling was claimed by Florida, that it was Q who gave him a big role with that team and obviously we've seen how Forsling's blossomed into one of the best D in the league.
 
TheFridge said:
Leddy didn't get jerked around. Leddy played more than he should have his first couple seasons in the league and then after Oduya got here, he settled in extremely well to a more sheltered third pairing role with lots of PP time. Leddy's two best years in the NHL as a 5v5 player were 2012-13 and 2013-14. He's spent most of the rest of his career as a negative possession player playing 20+ minutes a night.

Daley never had Q's trust but I think that was more a timing thing. Daley was coming off a breakout season when he had 16 goals and 38 points being a 4th forward/rush chance creator in Dallas and that's now how Q wanted the D to play.

Kempny played 17 minutes a night, as a rotationary 4th D for Washington. That team had 3 guys averaging 24+ minutes a night and then Kempny and Orpik playing 16 and 17 minutes each. And then Kempny was out of the league 2 years later.

Handzus averaged 13 minutes a night for CHI in the 2014 run. Peter Regin got icetime and they converted Shaw to centre to try and mitigate but they didn't really have other options.
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Both are examples of players that went on to have success again after leaving Chicago and being miscast. Which was exactly what I said. Kempny was getting scratched in Chicago and then a regular on a Stanley Cup winner in the same season. That’s a whiff.

It was all play style for Q. Not young Vs old.
 
Blackhawks need to sign David Carle…100%…

Winner, knows how to build a team, knows how to play players of different style together

Look at his record, look at his success

Gotta be done Kyle Davidson, gotta be done

Also to entice him the Hawks should sign Matt Davis,g, and Jack Devine,f, both seniors at Denver!!!
 
I still question bringing in another guy with no previous NHL head coaching experience, but I did have one thought a few days ago regarding Carle and the Hawks.

Provided we dont sign/re-sign any of the old guys here next season, the only player on the team who would be older than DC is Foligno. TJ Brodie would be the next oldest signed player; a year younger than Carle, but who knows if he's even on this roster next season. Brodie could very easily be waived down to Rockford. Next youngest is a tie between Murphy and Brossoit, Brossoit likely isn't on the team next season, and even if he were, him and Murph are 3 years younger than Carle.

If he were to sign with the Hawks, he'd be coaching a team that would mostly all be younger than him, most quite a bit younger. A lot of guys who are around the age of the players he already coaches. Might not be the same weird power dynamic you'd see on some teams if they were to bring in a head coach who was 35. Most teams would tune out a guy like that in a hurry, but we'll be one of the youngest teams in the league next season, he likely wouldn't have a hard time commanding the room. The problem would be teaching them to be winners, not trying to earn their respect.
 
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