Speculation: 2025 NHL Trade Rumors & Discussion

[piqued]

Just confirming something that some are wanting...

Erik Karlsson is NOT being traded to Dallas. That ain't happening.

From my source

Of course not, that would actually improve the team

 

[Dallasman]

Of course not, that would actually improve the team

At his salary, not in the long-term, no.

I think if we get anyone, it'll be Jones or bust at this point.

 

[Smelling Salt]

At his salary, not in the long-term, no.

I think if we get anyone, it'll be Jones or bust at this point.

So is it...Nill isn't even gonna kick the tires on a trade for Karlsson because it just doesn't work

or

Karlsson isn't waiving his NMC for Dallas even if Nill was interested

 

[Dallasman]

So is it...Nill isn't even gonna kick the tires on a trade for Karlsson because it just doesn't work

or

Karlsson isn't waiving his NMC for Dallas even if Nill was interested

It's Nill.

Rarely does he come out in the media and talk about specific players but when asked about Karlsson the other day he basically laughed it off.

We don't have the cap space now or in the future for Karlsson. I'm ok with the fact they don't want him without major retention.

 

[M88K]

At his salary, not in the long-term, no.

I think if we get anyone, it'll be Jones or bust at this point.

Bust it is

 

[piqued]

We need to find out who is Chicago's Grushnikov, the prospect they inexplicably covet

 

[M88K]

It's Nill.

Rarely does he come out in the media and talk about specific players but when asked about Karlsson the other day he basically laughed it off.

We don't have the cap space now or in the future for Karlsson. I'm ok with the fact they don't want him without major retention.

nor should they, but that doesn't mean retention can't be done.
It's much easier to retain for 2yrs for a lot of teams, than it is for 5yrs

 

[Dallasman]

nor should they, but that doesn't mean retention can't be done.
It's much easier to retain for 2yrs for a lot of teams, than it is for 5yrs

Oh I agree.

But if Pitt doesn't want to do it, what can you do?

 

[M88K]

We need to find out who is Chicago's Grushnikov, the prospect they inexplicably covet

Stranges come on down.


More likely they would want Bichsel

 

[M88K]

Oh I agree.

But if Pitt doesn't want to do it, what can you do?

use a 3rd party team, Pitt doesn't necessarily have to retain, someone does for it to work, obviously there is a cost to that,
And maybe there is no one willing to do that, which is fine, if that's actually the case.
But to just laugh it off as an impossibility is an incredibly shortsighted take from Nill.

 

[Dallasman]

use a 3rd party team, Pitt doesn't necessarily have to retain, someone does for it to work, obviously there is a cost to that,
And maybe there is no one willing to do that, which is fine, if that's actually the case.
But to just laugh it off as an impossibility is an incredibly shortsighted take from Nill.

Maybe they actually don't like the player all that much like some on here do too.

 

[M88K]

Maybe they actually don't like the player all that much like some on here do too.

Might be the case, but if they like anything about Suter/Dumba to offer them multiple years, their standard has to very low, and if Karlsson at 5.5m doesn't meet that standard but inexplicably Suter, Dumba and Lyubushkin at near 4m each do, something is wrong with what they're valuing. (which is obvious because they signed Dumba)

 

[LT]

use a 3rd party team, Pitt doesn't necessarily have to retain, someone does for it to work, obviously there is a cost to that,
And maybe there is no one willing to do that, which is fine, if that's actually the case.
But to just laugh it off as an impossibility is an incredibly shortsighted take from Nill.

The cost to get someone to retain close to 10M would be astronomical by itself

 

[Troy McClure]

One thing to keep in mind with Karlsson is the Sharks are already retaining $1.5 million, and the rules only allow one more team to retain anything on his contract. So it's not possible to get multiple teams to retain money to make his contract reasonable.

The Stars would have to find a retention partner if the Penguins aren't interested in retaining a big percentage. And I'm not sure there are teams out there with an appetite to take on $5 million of dead retention money for the next two seasons.

 

[M88K]

The cost to get someone to retain close to 10M would be astronomical by itself

we just saw Chicago take about half that for nothing. In the Rantanen trade

One thing to keep in mind with Karlsson is the Sharks are already retaining $1.5 million, and the rules only allow one more team to retain anything on his contract. So it's not possible to get multiple teams to retain money to make his contract reasonable.

The Stars would have to find a retention partner if the Penguins aren't interested in retaining a big percentage. And I'm not sure there are teams out there with an appetite to take on $5 million of dead retention money for the next two seasons.

that's a good point.

 

[Satan]

The cost to get someone to retain close to 10M would be astronomical by itself

I don't remember but are there even any cases where 3rd party retention has lasted 2+ years? Jones is signed until 2030, I don't know if there are many organizations willing to broker retention for that long.

 

[Troy McClure]

we just saw Chicago take about half that for nothing. In the Rantanen trade

They did only get a 3rd rounder, but it's a retention only lasting this season. Karlsson has two more seasons on his contract.

 

[LT]

we just saw Chicago take about half that for nothing. In the Rantanen trade


that's a good point.

No, they took a small fraction of that. They retained 50% of Rantanen for maybe 1/3 of this year.

 

[Zapp]

It's Nill.

Rarely does he come out in the media and talk about specific players but when asked about Karlsson the other day he basically laughed it off.

We don't have the cap space now or in the future for Karlsson. I'm ok with the fact they don't want him without major retention.

The odd part is that both you and Pagnotta mentioned that ownership is pushing Nill to make another move to give them the best chance at the cup.

I’m wondering was that old news, pre-Granlund trade?

It would be weird for that to come out after and then they go after Jeff Petry or Jacob Trouba lol

 

[Smelling Salt]

Might be the case, but if they like anything about Suter/Dumba to offer them multiple years, their standard has to very low, and if Karlsson at 5.5m doesn't meet that standard but inexplicably Suter, Dumba and Lyubushkin at near 4m each do, something is wrong with what they're valuing. (which is obvious because they signed Dumba)

Dumba was definitely a panic move... But that probably makes it worse lol.

Nill is like basically like every other GM and coach in the NHL - inexplicable high value for vets. Nevermind that they have horrendous underlying stats and fail the eye test - experience is something you just can't teach.

 

[starsfan86]

I wonder who will be Nill’s protege? I’m going to guess it will be Peverley.

 

[M88K]

No, they took a small fraction of that. They retained 50% of Rantanen for maybe 1/3 of this year.

You're right, because his actual salary this year is only 6m this year.
I was looking at his AAV before which was putting Chicago on the hook for 4m based on the days left in the season at the time of the trade.
Instead, as he only makes 6m this year, they're on the hook for 2.5m

 

[Hockey Dad]

So do we know if Chicago is interested in retaining on jones or are they totally against it. 2.5 puts him at 7 which j think is fine.

 

[Johno]

The cost to get someone to retain close to 10M would be astronomical by itself

SJ retained $9.7mil in the Hertl trade, didn’t they?

 

[Dallasman]

I wonder who will be Nill’s protege? I’m going to guess it will be Peverley.

Maybe Janko?