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JAHV said:
Two things I'm curious about: first, why do you think the pick will get traded? Early first round picks rarely get traded this close to the draft. It's not unheard of, but it's fairly uncommon.

Second, why do you say "unfortunately"? If Verbeek trades the pick, it's for an immediate talent upgrade in the name of getting the team back to the playoffs. It's not considered an especially strong draft; we're looking at a middle 6 guy with that pick regardless. If we can use it to get a better middle 6 guy now, I'm all for it.

I do still think it's unlikely the pick gets traded just because the odds are against that kind of deal working out. But if it does, I'm hopeful that means a better roster next season.
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It actually isn't that uncommon. I thought it was too and went back and looked and was surprised how often it had happened. I looked for my post where I listed them but can't find it. I can go get the info again if you are really curious.

I think the extras pressure to make the playoffs and the concern we will come up empty in UFA like last season along with the relative "weakness" of this draft will push a trade.

I don't think middle 6 is a fair. There are multiple guys that have top 6 potential at our pick. If the pick was closer to 15 I would feel differently.
 
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Gliff said:
It actually isn't that uncommon. I thought it was too and went back and looked and was surprised how often it had happened. I looked for my post where I listed them but can't find it. I can go get the info again if you are really curious.

I think the extras pressure to make the playoffs and the concern we will come up empty in UFA like last season along with the relative "weakness" of this draft will push a trade.

I don't think middle 6 is a fair. There are multiple guys that have top 6 potential at our pick. If the pick was closer to 15 I would feel differently.
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I guess I still don't see a trade as a bad thing if the opportunity arises to make the team better now. I'm not saying we should give away our draft picks for free, but I'm not interested in being bad any more. Let's find a willing partner and make it happen.
 
NCAA - CHL agreement will now affect some teams for sure. If you draft a player from the CHL, teams can no longer feel as secure that they will get to sign their prospect as they have more options for higher level of play. This is especially true for any US-born CHL player vs canadian markets.

Teams will interview players more to find out that the player will infact want to play for them. I suspect some high picks will for sure pursue their rights and those will initially look like prospects sliding or certain teams reaching for certain prospects if they are a more uninspiring landing spot.
 
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forever1922 said:
NCAA - CHL agreement will now affect some teams for sure. If you draft a player from the CHL, teams can no longer feel as secure that they will get to sign their prospect as they have more options for higher level of play. This is especially true for any US-born CHL player vs canadian markets.

Teams will interview players more to find out that the player will infact want to play for them. I suspect some high picks will for sure pursue their rights and those will initially look like prospects sliding or certain teams reaching for certain prospects if they are a more uninspiring landing spot.
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Pretty sure nothing has changed in that regard. You get 2 years to sign a player drasfted out of the CHL and the NCAA doesn't really change anything. If they don't sign in those 2 years they go back in the draft the same way they did before no matter where they are playing at the end of the 2 years.
 
Gliff said:
Pretty sure nothing has changed in that regard. You get 2 years to sign a player drasfted out of the CHL and the NCAA doesn't really change anything. If they don't sign in those 2 years they go back in the draft the same way they did before no matter where they are playing at the end of the 2 years.
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I'm not sure if College player rights are limited because they were drafted from the CHL or not. But that is not the point here. What matters is that if the player can play NCAA hockey, it is a good enough development league where they can strong arm NHL teams when it comes to draft selections and not miss out because they had to play in jrs.
 
forever1922 said:
I'm not sure if College player rights are limited because they were drafted from the CHL or not. But that is not the point here. What matters is that if the player can play NCAA hockey, it is a good enough development league where they can strong arm NHL teams when it comes to draft selections and not miss out because they had to play in jrs.
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I don't understand. They have no other option but to go back into the draft. They can't play 4 years and go UFA. And even if they could, how does that change from how it currently is with college players?

Or Euro players that can go to the SHL?
 
Gliff said:
I don't understand. They have no other option but to go back into the draft. They can't play 4 years and go UFA. And even if they could, how does that change from how it currently is with college players?

Or Euro players that can go to the SHL?
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It boils down to CHL competition vs NCAA competition. CHL players had little choice before, they have some now.
 
forever1922 said:
It boils down to CHL competition vs NCAA competition. CHL players had little choice before, they have some now.
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I'm sorry I still just don't see how this allows those players to strong arm NHL teams. Maybe I'm dense. Are you saying the players will say "I'm not signing with you, trade me to the team I want to be with or I'll go play 4 years in the NCAA"?

You really think a player is going to spend 6 years just to get to the team they want?
 
Gliff said:
I'm sorry I still just don't see how this allows those players to strong arm NHL teams. Maybe I'm dense. Are you saying the players will say "I'm not signing with you, trade me to the team I want to be with or I'll go play 4 years in the NCAA"?

You really think a player is going to spend 6 years just to get to the team they want?
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It's 2 years to lose the rights if they're drafted from CHL but go play NCAA, unless it's collectively bargained otherwise.
 
forever1922 said:
I'm not sure if College player rights are limited because they were drafted from the CHL or not. But that is not the point here. What matters is that if the player can play NCAA hockey, it is a good enough development league where they can strong arm NHL teams when it comes to draft selections and not miss out because they had to play in jrs.
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I believe the new CHL-NCAA agreement allows a lower tiered CHL prospect that has exhausted his options to play at the CHL level to continue playing hockey at the NCAA levels. iirc, there is like a limit of five overagers per team. Instead of going the ECHL route, a prospect can choose to go the NCAA route and, hopefully, improve their chances of earning an NHL offer. There are many NCAA rookies that start at the age of 20 years or older. I think it's great option to only secure a 4-year degree, but also keeps a lifeline to the NHL available.

If a prospect isn't signed to an NHL contract before their CHL rights are up and they're still young enough to go into the re-draft, then they will be going back into the draft. There is no leverage against the NHL since the NHL team doesn't see a benefit to sign said prospect. That is probably a sign for the prospect to probably go the NCAA route to continue their development than to stay at the CHL level as an overager. Who cares if it is an additional four years, just as long as the NHL could still be a possibility. The Ducks recently signed 23-year old Tim Washe from the NCAA, in his D+6 season.
 
Hockey Duckie said:
Should I trust Pronman saying that C Nesbitt has major skating issues? There are many other scouting reports that don't report skating is a major issue. Is this another "Carlsson can't skate" type misidentification by Pronman again?
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It's the first I recall seeing a reference to "major issues". I know others have mentioned that skating isn't a strength or may even be a weakness, but Pronman does seem to be taking a more firm stance
 
RD Bryce Pickford might be an intriguing option at 60OA. Wasn’t drafted last year but has exploded this year offensively for Medicine Hat. Decent size. He’ll probably go somewhere in the late 2nd or 3rd.
 
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