2025 NHL Entry Draft

2025 draft pick (not Hagens)

  • Roger McQueen (C)

  • Michael Misa (C/W)

  • Matthew Schaffer (LHD)

  • Ivan Ryabkin (C)

  • Porter Martone (RW)

  • Anton Frondell (C)

  • other (who?)


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Carter Bear and Anton Frondell are two guys I've watched recently that I think could be talked about a bit more - maybe for different reasons though.

Was initially watching Everett to catch Dupont, but Bear stood out in a good way. He's made big improvements over last year and is putting up numbers to start the season. Very tenacious, good in traffic, really strong puck skills and a good release, plays both special teams, and he's a pretty a quick skater. Really solid around the net and below the hash marks. Has growth potential in his skating as the issues are more strength based than mechanical IMO. A bit too hungry for offence at this stage but there are good indications that his two-way play could improve. I wouldn't call him a stand out physically or skills-wise, but he's got a couple plus tools, reads the play well, and excels in tight spaces. A bit of size and added strength and I think he could be a really interesting C prospect. CGY pick possibility.

Frondell looked... not bad but not great in the two Allsvenskan games I saw. He's been projected high for a while so I won't go into much detail on him, but generally I've liked his ability to get inside and he's got good tools. However, I think he might drop a bit if he doesn't pick it up soon. I don't see the urgency or engagement I'd expect from a guy looking to go top-5/10 and having to play against men for the first time. I'm really curious to see how the rest of the season goes as 10-15OA isn't outside the realm of possibility if his pro play stays pretty tepid.
 

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Carter Bear and Anton Frondell are two guys I've watched recently that I think could be talked about a bit more - maybe for different reasons though.

Was initially watching Everett to catch Dupont, but Bear stood out in a good way. He's made big improvements over last year and is putting up numbers to start the season. Very tenacious, good in traffic, really strong puck skills and a good release, plays both special teams, and he's a pretty a quick skater. Really solid around the net and below the hash marks. Has growth potential in his skating as the issues are more strength based than mechanical IMO. A bit too hungry for offence at this stage but there are good indications that his two-way play could improve. I wouldn't call him a stand out physically or skills-wise, but he's got a couple plus tools, reads the play well, and excels in tight spaces. A bit of size and added strength and I think he could be a really interesting C prospect. CGY pick possibility.

Frondell looked... not bad but not great in the two Allsvenskan games I saw. He's been projected high for a while so I won't go into much detail on him, but generally I've liked his ability to get inside and he's got good tools. However, I think he might drop a bit if he doesn't pick it up soon. I don't see the urgency or engagement I'd expect from a guy looking to go top-5/10 and having to play against men for the first time. I'm really curious to see how the rest of the season goes as 10-15OA isn't outside the realm of possibility if his pro play stays pretty tepid.
Frondell isn't a very dynamic skater either, his game definitely doesn't rely on a fast tempo. I've had a hard time projecting him TBH, I really don't have much of a grasp on his NHL potential. He's not a dnd or anything drastic like that, but I'm not a big fan.
 
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Frondell isn't a very dynamic skater either, his game definitely doesn't rely on a fast tempo. I've had a hard time projecting him TBH, I really don't have much of a grasp on his NHL potential. He's not a dnd or anything drastic like that, but I'm not a big fan.

I think teams could project him as a 2C and hope that he can bring a physically engaged/two-way game as he develops. The puck skills are really strong. Lundell might be a decent comparable.

A lot of the top guys in this draft seem to have much stronger hands than they do feet.
 
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I think teams could project him as a 2C and hope that he can bring a physically engaged/two-way game as he develops. The puck skills are really strong. Lundell might be a decent comparable.

A lot of the top guys in this draft seem to have much stronger hands than they do feet.
Lundell is the comp I've heard the most, I can see it if the two way game really carries well. I don't know if that's sexy enough for a top 15 though.
 

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Lundell is the comp I've heard the most, I can see it if the two way game really carries well. I don't know if that's sexy enough for a top 15 though.
For some teams it could be. The list of guys projected more as solid, two-way, middle-6 Cs that go top-15 in the last decade is pretty long. If I'm the Habs, I'd want to see who's still available and who I picked top-10 before going that route.
 

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Same. I'm still anchored by what I witnessed up close at the U18s, and Hagens was just too much for the competition. Too fast, skilled, smart, powerful. But Martone and Misa are lighting the OHL on fire at a clip that's making me, and not just me rethink things.
Thats a top 4 and the gap between those players is marginal IMO, any of them could be picked 1st OV at this point I think. Picking 5th this year would be sad since you enter another tier of prospects, the only one who could jumps in that top tier is Logan Hansler IMO, but he needs to pick it up. McQueen has tools, but is pretty raw, high celling, low floor.

As for the Calgary pick, lets say its 11-15 range, I would trade up for Desnoyers personally, I love his game, kid is a gamer.
 

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Thats a top 4 and the gap between those players is marginal IMO, any of them could be picked 1st OV at this point I think. Picking 5th this year would be sad since you enter another tier of prospects, the only one who could jumps in that top tier is Logan Hansler IMO, but he needs to pick it up. McQueen has tools, but is pretty raw, high celling, low floor.

As for the Calgary pick, lets say its 11-15 range, I would trade up for Desnoyers personally, I love his game, kid is a gamer.1

So pick Schaefer when we win the lotto for 1st or 2nd overall then trade up from Calgary’s #11 overall for Desnoyers. Done deal. :nod:

The more guys like Carbonneau and Carter Bear that rip it up the better for us. We want lots of good options if that Flames pick is #11-15.
 

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He's just so pass first pass only, unwilling to use his one on one skills and wicked shot.

Yeah, he's really passive right now. His puck management skills & puck possession skills haven't made it to NCAA level, too.

He's not challenging guys one on one and not shooting or driving the net. It's weird. It's like I imagined this great player from U18s.

Hopefully, it's just a slow start. He's playing between Leonard & Perreault, so he may just be deferring to them in offensive situations instead of just playing his game.

I wish Smith has stayed. He's not doing anything in pro hockey and is not physically ready. It would have been better for Hagens.
 
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Thats a top 4 and the gap between those players is marginal IMO, any of them could be picked 1st OV at this point I think. Picking 5th this year would be sad since you enter another tier of prospects, the only one who could jumps in that top tier is Logan Hansler IMO, but he needs to pick it up. McQueen has tools, but is pretty raw, high celling, low floor.

As for the Calgary pick, lets say its 11-15 range, I would trade up for Desnoyers personally, I love his game, kid is a gamer.
Do you have a player ranked #5 right now? How does this year top 5 compare to the last 3 draft (2022-2025)?
 

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Yeah, he's really passive right now. His puck management skills & puck possession skills haven't made it to NCAA level, too.

He's not challenging guys one on one and not shooting or driving the net. It's weird. It's like I imagined this great player from U18s.

Hopefully, it's just a slow start. He's playing between Leonard & Perreault, so he may just be deferring to them in offensive situations instead of just playing his game.

I wish Smith has stayed. He's not doing anything in pro hockey and is not physically ready. It would have been better for Hagens.

Completely agree.
 
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Frondell isn't a very dynamic skater either, his game definitely doesn't rely on a fast tempo. I've had a hard time projecting him TBH, I really don't have much of a grasp on his NHL potential. He's not a dnd or anything drastic like that, but I'm not a big fan.

From what I've seen of Frondell representing Sweden and in the Allsvenskan, I'd say that he actually reminds me a bit of a mix of Ryan O'Reilly and Joel Eriksson-Ek stylistically.

Frondell won't "wow" you with crazy creative or flashy plays every time he touches the puck.

Instead, Frondell exhibits an extremely mature, extremely defensively-responsible type of game with a HEAVY focus on puck-support as a center. And also consistently contributes "low" in the defensive zone to help-out his D partners, shadow an opposing forward, and/or provide pass options.

Similarly, i've found that Frondell has enough patience and composure already at his age to be content with closing things down, basically willingly embracing "low-event Hockey" if the opponent is a strong one and doesn't give him much offensively.

That same willingness to close things down and not take unnecessary risks highlights a commitment to defense and team play on Frondell's part that is rarely seen in top prospects, one that must be noted and applauded.

To add, I actually think Frondell would be one of the prospects in this year's draft whose game would need the least adaptation to fit the NHL if he was dropped into a pro game out of nowhere tomorrow.

When it comes to his defensive game, whether we evaluate reads, positioning, stick-work, shot-blocking, puck-pressure, boxing-out of his man, you name it and Frondell's great at it for a prospect (faceoffs notwithstanding though)!

Simply put, Frondell's defensive tools as a prospect are absolutely ELITE in my opinion, amongst the best in the entire draft this year. And given his blend of size/skating/skill/IQ, he actually projects to be one of the very best centers in the NHL in that regard if Frondell develops well.

But I would also argue that his upside isn't the highest offensively. I mean, I like Frondell's blend of size/skill/skating, his decisions with the puck are quick and generally effective, there's a good amount of sandpaper to his game in all zones, he never backs down from contact on the boards and makes plays even if it means he has to endure a check, he is also a low-key powerful skater, his passing skills are good, and Frondell also shoots/one-times the puck very well overall.

Without going through all the details, Frondell has a lot of high-end tools offensively, and no clear weakness. I would actually argue that Frondell's off-puck offensive play is definitely in the upper-echelon of all available prospects in this year's draft.

But there is not a single component to Frondell's offensive toolset that tracks to be elite at the NHL level and that makes me rank him a bit lower than his elite defensive game should normally warrant.

In terms of pure centers at the draft, I'd say that Hagens and Misa are ahead of him by far given how much more dynamic their offensive skillsets are compared to Frondell. Where I start flip-flopping about Frondell's placement in draft rankings is putting him above or below Caleb Desnoyers as the 3rd or 4th-best center prospect available this year (should add that I don't see McQueen as a center in the NHL given a lack of play-making/defensive skills).

Right now I'd have Desnoyers ahead of Frondell given that he's shown more this year in the Q and exhibits a clearer path to being a strong offensive player in the NHL given what I've seen of the two so far. But ask me again in a couple weeks and my answer might have changed.

As far as pure draft rankings go, I think that Frondell should be a shoe-in for the top-10 or close to it in my opinion.

Center prospects with Frondell's tools, size/skating, maturity, and defensive game are RARE and you must pounce on them high in the draft if you want any chance at getting them.

But that's it from me. Have a nice day. And I apologize for the wall of text but I could not be brief and give the level of detail I thought this response warranted.
 
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I'm really hoping for Desnoyers with the 2nd 1st, I think he would be a good 2C for us
Would love him too.

But i think we need Calgary's pick to be 11OA-13OA with a trade up using our 2nd round pick. Cause at this point i see him going anywhere from 8OA to 12OA.

Getting out of this draft with Schaefer and Desnoyers would be crazy.
 

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