2025 NHL DRAFT

I think every single person on this board would LOVE if we could get that elusive 1C especially after a disaster of a season like this one.

But the harsh reality is that there might not be a true, elite 1C available in this draft. Misa went completely MIA in the OHL playoffs which is not a good sign. Frondell's not lighting it up in Allsvenskan, either. Hagens has his limitations.

I sincerely hope that Trotz and co. make their decision based on facts and not feelings of fans. Schaefer could be the only game-breaking talent in this draft and looking at our current D-core he would do wonders for it.
Wait...a few weeks ago people are saying that hoping we lose is the only rational choice because of how "franchise altering" this draft could be for us. Now it's there may not even be a 1C in this group and the only game-breaker is a draftvslot we never would have fell to on merit? f***ing super...
 
Wait...a few weeks ago people are saying that hoping we lose is the only rational choice because of how "franchise altering" this draft could be for us. Now it's there may not even be a 1C in this group and the only game-breaker is a draftvslot we never would have fell to on merit? f***ing super...
The key word there is "could". The player we will draft in June will probably be the best player we have ever drafted based on draft pedigree (maybe excluding Jones) - that's why the phrase "franchise-altering" has been used. But the sad part is that this draft is not filled with elite forward talent, there are question marks even among the best players.
 
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Shaefer is listed as an LD. Hardly a positional need on our team.
Draft logic suggests you always take best player available, as organizational needs can fluctuate by the time players develop and while you can fill positional gaps with other methods you can't turn lesser talent into higher talent.

That said, even if you put the best d-man in the league on this roster (and I'll assume Schaefer doesn't hit Makar levels), it basically changes nothing for us organizationally. It is the exact same dynamic we've had, and always had, just now changing out Josi for Schaefer.

It may kind of be like the Seth Jones draft decision. Was it a better move to draft the BPA in Jones or to take a lesser talent in a higher position of need like.a Lindholm or Monahan?
 
To me, a win in this draft is leaving with one of Schaefer, Misa or Hagens. I think those 3 along with Martone are the clear cut top 4, then the next tier is Frondell, McQueen, Desnoyers..

There is no way we can be upset least leaving this draft with Schafer if that happens, no matter how bad we need a centre.
 
To me, a win in this draft is leaving with one of Schaefer, Misa or Hagens. I think those 3 along with Martone are the clear cut top 4, then the next tier is Frondell, McQueen, Desnoyers..

There is no way we can be upset least leaving this draft with Schafer if that happens, no matter how bad we need a centre.
The heart wants what the heart wants. I want my unicorn.

I'll make a snide Nashville typical joke if we end up with Schaefer but I'll be fine with it
 
To me, a win in this draft is leaving with one of Schaefer, Misa or Hagens. I think those 3 along with Martone are the clear cut top 4, then the next tier is Frondell, McQueen, Desnoyers..

There is no way we can be upset least leaving this draft with Schafer
if that happens, no matter how bad we need a centre.
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I think every single person on this board would LOVE if we could get that elusive 1C especially after a disaster of a season like this one.

But the harsh reality is that there might not be a true, elite 1C available in this draft. Misa went completely MIA in the OHL playoffs which is not a good sign. Frondell's not lighting it up in Allsvenskan, either. Hagens has his limitations.

I sincerely hope that Trotz and co. make their decision based on facts and not feelings of fans. Schaefer could be the only game-breaking talent in this draft and looking at our current D-core he would do wonders for it.
all the guys who are paid to analyze prospects have said the top end of this draft class is on par with most average drafts of the past …. The drop off at the end of the 1st round is more precipitous which relates to the depth issue everyone misconstrues

It will be a disaster if a #1 center isn’t selected
 
all the guys who are paid to analyze prospects have said the top end of this draft class is on par with most average drafts of the past …. The drop off at the end of the 1st round is more precipitous which relates to the depth issue everyone misconstrues

It will be a disaster if a #1 center isn’t selected

The question is if any of the players are truly #1 centers at the NHL level. Being among the highest rated in a draft class doesn't equate to success at the NHL level. How's your #1 Center Novak doing with his superstar breakout?
 
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Emphasis on “true #1”. I’ve seen Hagens described in some articles as developing into a high end second line center. If we get that and play him as our #1 someday, won’t be great. A true #1 would be optimal, recognizing that unless someone massively exceeds expectations, it seems we aren’t getting world a class center in this draft.
 
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1St OA should be the best player in the draft. If it's not a C then that's just how the cookie crumbles.
Sorry but this is not smart. If the difference between the best player and the second best is small then you fill you biggest 27 year organizational need. Now if the "best player" is guaranteed to be the second coming of Shea Weber and the second best is not going to be any better than say Lafreniere, then fine, but if it's close then take the center.
 
I think you really just have to figure out what you think the realistic upside of Misa, Hagens, and Frondell really is?

I think there's actually quite a lot of doubt out there about ANY of them being "true #1C" players in the NHL, right? They can still be the #2/3/4 ranked players in this draft, and still not really make the cut as a "true #1C" hopeful. Maybe you're looking at Elias Lindholm or Sam Bennet or Dylan Strome or Jesperi Kotkaniemi or any of a host of "decent NHLers" who were top-5 picks in their drafts? Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was #1OA. Or Ryan Johansen or Matt Duchene. Unicorn "true #1C" types are rare... they skip most draft years entirely.

Whereas if the scouting opinion is that Schaefer actually is a "true #1D" with Norris superstar upside... obviously that's better than where the vast majority of randomly assorted top-5 drafted forwards ends up in the NHL.

So I don't think the question is really ever going to be about A) Winning the #1 pick in the Draft lottery (11.5% odds), then B) Picking somebody other than Schaefer #1OA. That's just not going to happen.

Our 88.5% odds of picking #2/3/4/5 are going to make the debate all about which of the available centers we think at least gives us the best chance at the best center we can get. The Schaefer talk is a red herring at this point.
 
I would say that all of Misa, Hagens, and Frondell have higher chances of becoming a 1C even if a lower end 1C than any of our other center prospects.
Right, but that's mainly because of what we have in the pipeline in terms of center prospects. Don't get me wrong, I truly like Svechkov as a player, Edström could become something as does Surin. But out of all those prospects, no one projects to be anywhere near a true 1C.
 
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Right, but that's mainly because of what we have in the pipeline in terms of center prospects. Don't get me wrong, I truly like Svechkov as a player, Edström could become something as does Surin. But out of all those prospects, no one projects to be anywhere near a true 1C.
I think Misa/Hagens could turn into 1Cs. Are they gonna be your generational type or even top 10 in the NHL? Not unless we get very fortunate. We don't even have someone in the pipeline that I can confidently say will be able to replace an aging RoR. Alot of what we have is middle 6 or bottom 6 centers or they move to wing
 
Sorry but this is not smart. If the difference between the best player and the second best is small then you fill you biggest 27 year organizational need. Now if the "best player" is guaranteed to be the second coming of Shea Weber and the second best is not going to be any better than say Lafreniere, then fine, but if it's close then take the center.
All depends on how they view these players. If there's a clear gap then it would be not smart to chase a position that tops out as a meh C prospect all so we can feel better about addressing a position.
 
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All depends on how they view these players. If there's a clear gap then it would be not smart to chase a position that tops out as a meh C prospect all so we can feel better about addressing a position.
Thats.... pretty much exactly what I said, I thought. So yeah, big gap, take Schaefer. Small gap, take the C
 
I think you really just have to figure out what you think the realistic upside of Misa, Hagens, and Frondell really is?

I think there's actually quite a lot of doubt out there about ANY of them being "true #1C" players in the NHL, right? They can still be the #2/3/4 ranked players in this draft, and still not really make the cut as a "true #1C" hopeful. Maybe you're looking at Elias Lindholm or Sam Bennet or Dylan Strome or Jesperi Kotkaniemi or any of a host of "decent NHLers" who were top-5 picks in their drafts? Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was #1OA. Or Ryan Johansen or Matt Duchene. Unicorn "true #1C" types are rare... they skip most draft years entirely.

Whereas if the scouting opinion is that Schaefer actually is a "true #1D" with Norris superstar upside... obviously that's better than where the vast majority of randomly assorted top-5 drafted forwards ends up in the NHL.

So I don't think the question is really ever going to be about A) Winning the #1 pick in the Draft lottery (11.5% odds), then B) Picking somebody other than Schaefer #1OA. That's just not going to happen.

Our 88.5% odds of picking #2/3/4/5 are going to make the debate all about which of the available centers we think at least gives us the best chance at the best center we can get. The Schaefer talk is a red herring at this point.
Michael Misa is one of the top draft year scorers in nhl history … tf are you talking about
 
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Yall are negging the top end of this draft too hard .

Per the usual pundits - I would recommend taking time to touch grass and watching some of the mock drafts featuring nhldraftpros with the top guys from elite prospects etc - they are all very bullish on the upside of the top end of this draft

Suggesting Misa is a future Sam Bennett is preposterous
 
Thats.... pretty much exactly what I said, I thought. So yeah, big gap, take Schaefer. Small gap, take the C
It also depends how you quantify "big" and "small". If upwards of 90% of scouts have Schaeffer #1, then I'd say by the standards of draft rankings, that is a very big gap. Which happens to be the case this year, apparently. It's definitely not 60/40 or anything like that, right? (It might even be 100%, aside from the usual "hot-take" rankings that are just trying to provoke a response by being different).
 
Yall are negging the top end of this draft too hard .

Per the usual pundits - I would recommend taking time to touch grass and watching some of the mock drafts featuring nhldraftpros with the top guys from elite prospects etc - they are all very bullish on the upside of the top end of this draft

Suggesting Misa is a future Sam Bennett is preposterous
I liked the comparison somebody else posted about Misa as a Tyler Seguin comparable, if you want to make direct player to player comparisons (which I wasn't making). All the names I provided are just examples of mid-good top-5 picks in general, no direct comparisons. Bennett was a #4. Which is more relevant to the case where we end up picking #4 or #5 overall. Which is still the most likely outcome. 69.5% chance we're picking #4 or #5. So the odds are we'll just be getting a mid-good-decent sort of player, not a superstar #1C.
 
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I'm just going to sit here and remember how we felt up here when Edmonton managed to win the draft lottery again when we were bottom of the league and so we'd have to settle for someone like Ryan Murray instead of the obvious future superstar Nail Yakupov. Really, the only real star that came out of that one (to the extent that any of them were stars) was a guy we'd looked at but who ultimately dropped to, like, 11th overall. Trying to remember his name... Phillip something, except he spelled it with an F for some strange reason...
 
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