I don’t disagree with you. There’s talent to be found in the OHL WHL, etc. free agent market. There is just a lot more longshots this year or questionable tools. The thing you can’t gauge is how much that players gonna grow in many different ways. this could possibly be the best year to make the Holloway and Broberg move.
2025 NHL DRAFT Thread
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If we do make the playoffs, and win a round, which is a BIG IF, we would be picking no higher than 25. I could very well see us trading that pick in a package for a RD or a young Center. Or, even trading back and trying to pick up a 3rd or 4th. And if no good offers, you make the pick and take your chances on finding another Thomas, Bolduc or Snuggs. Time will tell.
Winning a round doesn’t change draft position. If you win 2 you pick 29-32, but otherwise it’s just regular season record.
Are you sure? I thought that the first 8 teams that lose are then ranked in slots 17-24 based on their regular season finish. Then the next four losers are slotted into 25-28, also based on regular season finish, and then 29-30 and 31,32. In each set of losers, regular season finish determines draft order. Again, I very well could be wrong, but I thought that's how it worked.
Edit: Nevermind, you are right. The first 12 teams that lose are slotted based on regular season. Then the last 4 as you mentioned are the last grouping. My mistake!
2024 NHL Draft order set through 1st 28 picks | NHL.com
Remaining 4 spots to be determined by conference finals, Stanley Cup Final
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Honestly would go for Europeans for the fifth and sixth round picks. There's always value to be found in Europe, and we have enough prospects in total that it's worth taking a risk on a couple of dice rolls, especially in what's supposed to be a very weak draft.
As for the first-round pick...if we're making the playoffs, there's a lot of ways we can utilize it. Selecting a player in the first, trading it for either a young RHD or a future pick(s) in another draft, etc.
As for the first-round pick...if we're making the playoffs, there's a lot of ways we can utilize it. Selecting a player in the first, trading it for either a young RHD or a future pick(s) in another draft, etc.
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I'm at the point where we should solely look at russians at the point of the draft lmao. Hope to hit on Goaltending and random skilled fwds ala Korotky/Vorobyov/Susuyev
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Also, if we pick in the late teens, depending on whose available. I'd love to see us target Kashawn Aitcheson. Big, mobile, physical D with offensive ability. I know, he's a lefty, but still, can never have enough quality big defenseman. By the time he'd be ready, fowler, leddy, suter, Faulk and maybe parayko might all be gone. I think he'd be a smart gamble in the later teens early 20's depending
Memento
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I cannot wait for Korotky and Susuyev to come over. They're two entirely different players, but I love both of their skillsets.
Honestly the further down the draft order we slip, I'd start looking at the USNDT players: Cole McKinney, Will Moore, and Jack Murtagh. They'll have longer runways since they're going to college, but I think they've been unfairly maligned because they aren't quite at the level of some of the past draft classes. They've all got good size, skating, and good-to-great statistical profiles. Murtagh and McKinney in particular have a lot of attributes I'd be looking for if we hang on to the pick.
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I love Mckinneys game. Not sure if we'd need a late 1st or 2nd for him though.
Scout's Analysis: Ranking the top 64 prospects for the 2025 NHL Draft
Former NHL scout Jason Bukala updates his own personal ranking of the prospects eligible for the 2025 NHL Draft, from 1 to 64.
So I caught a game of Ryabkin Madison vs Muskegon game with Ryker Lee, Netrasil, Mason Moe, etc. I like Ryabkin more than any of these other players and he is money at the dot. He may be worth the gamble, if we end up with a later pick as a top 6 center. He is a very talented player. He stood out with this pack on the ice.
In the game I watched, he looked like a passenger for most of his shifts. He was just kinda floating around most of the time, gave up early, etc. Now, this was early in his USHL season, so maybe he’s gotten better as he’s gotten adjusted (which would make sense), but I wasn’t super impressed at the time.
He's known for being wildly inconsistent. I may have just caught him on a good day. Nestrasil doesn't look bad. I don't know if he is anything better than a 3rd line player though.
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Blake Fiddler could be interesting. RHD 6'4" 209. Edmonton Oil Kings WHL
Blake Fiddler is an A-rated skater on NHL Central Scouting's players to watch list and a projected first-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft.
"Fiddler has an excellent set of physical tools and can handle and transport the puck," Central Scouting's Tim Campbell said. "He's a playmaker from the blue line who can get shots through but also jump down and create scoring chances. He has the puck on his stick often and handles it with good composure in all situations."
Blake Fiddler is an A-rated skater on NHL Central Scouting's players to watch list and a projected first-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft.
"Fiddler has an excellent set of physical tools and can handle and transport the puck," Central Scouting's Tim Campbell said. "He's a playmaker from the blue line who can get shots through but also jump down and create scoring chances. He has the puck on his stick often and handles it with good composure in all situations."
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For the people interested, here's the current consolidated rankings as mentioned on Elite Prospects (by clicking on the various players you can see their personal ranking, so I just did that and listed them in the correct order).
EDIT: replaced EP-info on position/weight and length with Central Scouting info.
EDIT 2: added some text colors: undersized/small/overage=red (5'10" or under and under 160 Lbs) or orange (under 6'0" with exception of the reds and players 160-169 Lbs), Youngest eligible (Aug+Sep07)=green. Young (May-July07)=mint green. Oldest 1st year eligibles (Sep06-Nov06)=yellow.
EDIT 3: Some observations. The consolidated ranking ranks quite a lot of undersized players, usually a lot more than are actually drafted in the top-100. Also it's quite noticible that in the top of the list there are a lot of older first time eligibles.
| 001 | Matthew Schaefer | D | OHL | 6'1.75" | 183 | L | SEP07 | |
| 002 | Michael Misa | C | OHL | 6'0.75" | 184 | L | FEB07 | |
| 003 | James Hagens | C | NCAA | 5'10.5" | 177 | L | NOV06 | |
| 004 | Porter Martone | RW | OHL | 6'2.75" | 208 | R | OCT06 | |
| 005 | Anton Frondell | C | HockeyAllsvenskan | 6'1" | 198 | L | MAY07 | |
| 006 | Roger McQueen | C | WHL | 6'5.25" | 197 | R | OCT06 | |
| 007 | Victor Eklund | RW | HockeyAllsvenskan | 5'11" | 161 | R | OCT06 | |
| 008 | Caleb Desnoyers | C | QMJHL | 6'1.5" | 178 | L | APR07 | |
| 009 | Jackson Smith | D | WHL | 6'3.25" | 195 | L | MAY07 | |
| 010 | Malcolm Spence | LW | OHL | 6'1" | 203 | L | SEP06 |
| 011 | Carter Bear | LW | WHL | 6'0" | 179 | L | NOV06 | |
| 012 | Jake O'Brien | C | OHL | 6'1.75" | 172 | R | JUN07 | |
| 013 | Radim Mrtka | D | Czechia | 6'5.75" | 207 | R | JUN07 | |
| 014 | Lynden Lakovic | LW | WHL | 6'4.25" | 190 | L | DEC06 | |
| 015 | Justin Carbonneau | RW | QMJHL | 6'1" | 191 | R | NOV06 | |
| 016 | Cameron Reid | D | OHL | 5'11.75" | 193 | L | APR07 | |
| 017 | Logan Hensler | D | NCAA | 6'2.25" | 192 | R | OCT06 | |
| 018 | Brady Martin | C | OHL | 6'0" | 178 | R | MAR07 | |
| 019 | Benjamin Kindel | C | WHL | 5'10" | 176 | R | APR07 | |
| 020 | Cullen Potter | C | NCAA | 5'10" | 172 | L | JAN07 |
| 021 | Braeden Cootes | C | WHL | 5'11.25" | 183 | R | FEB07 | |
| 022 | Ivan Ryabkin | C | MHL | 5'11" | 201 | L | APR07 | |
| 023 | Bill Zonnon | RW | QMJHL | 6'1.5" | 185 | L | OCT06 | |
| 024 | Cameron Schmidt | RW | WHL | 5'7.25" | 161 | R | JAN07 | |
| 025 | Cole Reschny | C | WHL | 5'10.5" | 183 | L | APR07 | |
| 026 | Kashawn Aitcheson | D | OHL | 6'1.5" | 196 | L | SEP06 | |
| 027 | Blake Fiddler | D | WHL | 6'4" | 209 | R | JUL07 | |
| 028 | William Moore | C | NTDP | 6'2.25" | 175 | L | MAR07 | |
| 029 | Jack Murtagh | LW | NTDP | 6'0.75" | 200 | L | AUG07 | |
| 030 | Sascha Boumedienne | D | NCAA | 6'1" | 175 | L | JAN07 |
| 031 | Joshua Ravensbergen | G | WHL | 6'5.25" | 190 | R | NOV06 | |
| 032 | Milton Gästrin | C | J20 Nationell | 6'0.5" | 185 | L | JUN07 | |
| 033 | Jack Nesbitt | C | WHL | 6'4.25" | 185 | L | JAN07 | |
| 034 | Shane Vansaghi | RW | NCAA | 6'2.25" | 210 | R | OCT06 | |
| 035 | Cole McKinney | C | NTDP | 6'0" | 200 | R | MAR07 | |
| 036 | Jakob Ihs-Wozniak | C | J20 Nationell | 6'2.25" | 184 | R | FEB07 | |
| 037 | Eric Nilson | C | J20 Nationell | 5'11.5" | 156 | R | MAY07 | |
| 038 | Benjamin Kevan | RW | USHL | 6'0.25" | 182 | R | JAN07 | |
| 039 | Adam Benák | C | USHL | 5'7.25" | 160 | L | APR07 | |
| 040 | Ryker Lee | RW | USHL | 5'11.5" | 181 | R | NOV06 |
| 041 | Nathan Behm | RW | WHL | 6'1.5" | 192 | R | APR07 | |
| 042 | Carter Amico | D | NTDP | 6'5.25" | 225 | R | MAR07 | |
| 043 | Henry Brzustewicz | D | OHL | 6'1.75" | 203 | R | FEB07 | |
| 044 | Charlie Trethewey | D | NTDP | 6'1" | 200 | R | AUG07 | |
| 045 | Kurban Limatov | D | MHL | 6'3" | 198 | L | MAR07 | |
| 046 | Simon (Haoxi) Wang | D | OHL | 6'5.5" | 215 | L | JUL07 | |
| 047 | Conrad Fondrk | C | NTDP | 5'11.75" | 193 | L | JUN07 | |
| 048 | Jack Ivankovic | G | OHL | 5'11" | 178 | L | MAY07 | |
| 049 | Luca Romano | C | OHL | 5'11.25" | 177 | R | JUN07 | |
| 050 | Eddie Genborg | RW | J20 Nationell | 6'1" | 179 | L | APR07 |
| 051 | Alexander Zharovsky | RW | MHL | 6’1” | 163 | L | FEB07 | |
| 052 | William Horcoff | C | NTDP | 6'4.75" | 190 | L | JAN07 | |
| 053 | Kristian Epperson | LW | OHL | 5'11.5" | 183 | L | MAY06 | |
| 054 | Arvid Drott | RW | J20 Nationell | 5'11.75" | 183 | R | AUG07 | |
| 055 | Viktor Klingsell | RW | J20 Nationell | 5'9.5" | 188 | L | FEB07 | |
| 056 | Ethan Czata | C | OHL | 6'1.25" | 175 | L | MAY07 | |
| 057 | Pyotr Andreyanov | G | MHL | 6'0" | 207 | L | JAN07 | |
| 058 | Tomas Pobezal | C | Slovakia | 5'9" | 178 | L | SEP06 | |
| 059 | Gustav Hillström | C | SHL | 6’1.5” | 174 | R | JAN07 | |
| 060 | Vaclav Nestrasil | RW | USHL | 6’5” | 187 | R | APR07 |
| 061 | Matthew Gard | C | WHL | 6'4.75" | 192 | L | APR07 | |
| 062 | Zachary Morin | LW | QMJHL | 6'1" | 181 | L | JAN07 | |
| 063 | Luka Radivojevic | D | USHL | 5'9.25" | 165 | R | JAN07 | |
| 064 | Maxim Agafonov | D | MHL | 6'2" | 198 | R | APR07 | |
| 065 | Alexei Medvedev | G | OHL | 6’2.25” | 178 | L | SEP07 | |
| 066 | Dakoda Rhéaume Mullen | D | NCAA | 6'0.5" | 182 | L | DEC06 | |
| 067 | Vojtěch Čihař | LW | Czechia U20 | 6'0" | 175 | L | MAR07 | |
| 068 | L.J. Mooney | C | NTDP | 5'7" | 162 | R | MAR07 | |
| 069 | Jacob Rombach | D | USHL | 6'6" | 200 | L | APR07 | |
| 070 | Peyton Kettles | D | WHL | 6'5.25" | 190 | R | SEP07 |
| 071 | Topias Hynninen | C | Liiga | 5'10" | 176 | L | DEC05 | |
| 072 | Harry Nansi | RW | OHL | 6'2.75" | 186 | R | SEP07 | |
| 073 | Michal Svrcek | LW | J20 Nationell | 5'10" | 178 | L | JAN07 | |
| 074 | Tomas Poletin | LW | U20 SM-sarja | 6'1.25" | 200 | L | APR07 | |
| 075 | Jimmy Lombardi | C | OHL | 6’0” | 175 | L | FEB07 | |
| 076 | Alex Huang | D | QMJHL | 6'0" | 170 | R | JUL07 | |
| 077 | William Belle | RW | NTDP | 6'3.25" | 219 | R | JAN07 | |
| 078 | Jamiro Reber | C | SHL | 5'10" | 176 | L | SEP06 | |
| 079 | Shamar Moses | RW | OHL | 6’1” | 200 | R | MAY07 | |
| 080 | Tyler Hopkins | C | OHL | 6’1” | 179 | L | JAN07 |
| 081 | Semyon Frolov | G | MHL | 6'3" | 203 | L | JAN07 | |
| 082 | Melvin Novotny | LW | J20 Nationell | 6'1" | 187 | L | APR07 | |
| 083 | Owen Conrad | D | QMJHL | 6'2.5" | 214 | L | MAR07 | |
| 084 | Carlos Händel | D | QMJHL | 6'0.5" | 172 | R | MAR07 | |
| 085 | Theo Stockselius | C | J20 Nationell | 6’2” | 181 | L | JUL07 | |
| 086 | Lasse Boelius | D | U20 SM-sarja | 6'0.5" | 181 | L | MAR07 | |
| 087 | Bruno Osmanis | RW | HockeyAllsvenskan | 5’11” | 170 | R | DEC06 | |
| 088 | Hayden Paupanekis | C | WHL | 6’4.25” | 196 | R | FEB07 | |
| 089 | Cooper Simpson | LW | USHS-MN | 6’0.25” | 180 | L | FEB07 | |
| 090 | Mateo Nobert | C | QMJHL | 6'0" | 166 | L | AUG07 |
| 091 | Reese Hamilton | D | WHL | 6'0" | 172 | L | MAR07 | |
| 092 | Max Psenicka | D | Czechia | 6’4” | 176 | R | JAN07 | |
| 093 | Nathan Quinn | C | QMJHL | 5’11” | 173 | R | AUG07 | |
| 094 | Anthony Allain-Samaké | D | USHL | 6'0.75" | 178 | L | SEP07 | |
| 095 | Phillippe Veilleux | LW | QMJHL | 5'9" | 168 | L | MAR07 | |
| 096 | Filip Ekberg | RW | OHL | 5'9.75" | 166 | L | APR07 | |
| 097 | David Bedkowski | D | OHL | 6'4.5" | 215 | R | DEC06 | |
| 098 | Mason Moe | C | USHL | 6’1.25” | 186 | L | MAR07 | |
| 099 | Malte Vass | D | J20 Nationell | 6’1.75” | 184 | L | MAR07 | |
| 100 | Jordan Gavin | RW | WHL | 5'11" | 183 | L | NOV06 |
EDIT: replaced EP-info on position/weight and length with Central Scouting info.
EDIT 2: added some text colors: undersized/small/overage=red (5'10" or under and under 160 Lbs) or orange (under 6'0" with exception of the reds and players 160-169 Lbs), Youngest eligible (Aug+Sep07)=green. Young (May-July07)=mint green. Oldest 1st year eligibles (Sep06-Nov06)=yellow.
EDIT 3: Some observations. The consolidated ranking ranks quite a lot of undersized players, usually a lot more than are actually drafted in the top-100. Also it's quite noticible that in the top of the list there are a lot of older first time eligibles.
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I just don’t see that many sub-5’11” guys going in the first round. They’re skilled dudes, but the league has been ignoring the tiny speedsters for a few seasons now. They’ve got a pretty low hit rate.
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Agree. Every year you see too many undersized players in the consolidated list.
Each "scout" has their "bread and butter" guys they go to. Since I've been tracking it, I've found it pretty interesting.
Just for entertainment purposes only! Don't lose your s**t! GM calls and says I will trade my first round pick for Dalibor Dvorsky with their turn to draft. Which guy or guys still need to be available for you to make that trade?
Schaeffer, Misa, Frondell, or perhaps Desnoyers. How about you?
The same guys, but I would put O'Brien and Hagens in that mix. That's my top six. I just can't do that with McQueen or Martone.
I wouldn’t do it for those 2 because I don’t think o’brien has enough upside to offset Dvo’s 2 year head start. And I’m just not sold that Hagens will be impact center. Still questions on dvo, but he should be ready to play 3c within next year.
I've watched enough O'Brien to think he is a Doug Weight clone. He's my horse this year. I'm not 100% on Hagens and regret typing that. Going to have to go with my top 5.
