execwrite1
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2025 NHL DRAFT Thread
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The top 4-5 wouldn’t trade the pick straight up for DD in my opinion. So, it would have to be Desnoyers or MAYBE Jackson for me.
Question for you. If at the draft and the Isles called and asked if you would trade Snuggs AND our 1st rounder, along with a player like Pekarcic for an extended Noah Dobson? Would ya? Fills a bigger need IMHO. And like you said, for entertainment purposes.
I'll say this: I sure would like to get Dobson on this team without giving up Snuggy or Dvorsky.
I think both of those guys are currently untouchable. I don't think they will be forever, but we are just about to find out what value they actually have. I know that's a little "it could even be a boat!" of an attitude. You'll have to get a little uncomfortable with acquiring a 25YO RHD with 70-point upside.
But at the same time... this season, Dobson would be tied with Broberg for 3rd on our team in 5v5 pts/60 among dmen. Both Parayko and Fowler have had more productive even-strength seasons. Fowler is having an even better season 5v5 this year than Dobson did last year in his 70-point season (1.55 p/60 vs. 1.43 for Dobson). Obviously Dobson has the advantage of relative youth, but we do already kind of "have Dobson at home" with Broberg. Broberg gets sheltered a lot less than Dobson, too. Given the choice between giving Broberg the max extension or acquiring Dobson with a max extension, I'll stick with Broberg. We need good PKers more than we need good PP guys.
So I would give up a good amount for Dobson, including this year's first, but I don't know that I love the idea of trading Dvorsky, Snuggerud, or Bolduc as part of that deal.
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Schaefer, Misa, Frondell, Desnoyers and Hagens. Maybe O’Brien too. Would think about Martone and McQueen but would need to get more comfortable with McQueen’s back injury.
I can't say he is a player that I'm that interested in. I think he is prone to coughing up the puck and giveaways maybe more so this year. Just not a fan. Your value probably isn't off. I would rather spend the assets on a #2 center. I see that as a bigger organizational need.
I disagree, Parayko is our only long term RHD in the system, Faulk only has 2 years after this one, Kessel has been passed on the depth chart, and Jiricek is so far away I don't expect him in the NHL for at least 3 years. I don't want anything to do with Dobson, but I think RHD is a much bigger hole than Center.
I think both rhd and c are organizational weaknesses, depth wise. Why I come down in prioritizing center is that lhd can more effectively play rd than wingers can play center. Leddy and Tucker are doing fine on their offside, while Buchy was a mess at center. Across the league heiskanen and dahlin amd theodore, for example, all play primarily on off side, either by need or preference. I believe lindstein and burns and Fischer all have some experience on off side. I’d love to find another good young rhd, but I’m not ready to go crazy for one.
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this. Burns will set up on the side of his match up. Many guys can effectively play both sides. Actually puts you in a better spot for a one timer. You forgot about McIsaac and Hunter Skinner (I think he will get an opportunity in the NHL as a bottom 6. Good player and getting better.) I don't think I would sell the farm for Noah Dobson.
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Depending on how the draft falls, I probably wouldn't hate it. He'll need a good minute to develop and work on consistency but there's some definite upside there. But there's also significant bust potential. The kid has some exceptional tools, but I also seriously question his hockey sense.
That said, if we go defense I think I lean more towards Henry Brzustewicz at this point. I can pretty easily see a path for Henry to become a Leddy-ish type 2nd pair D man(probably doesn't have the offense of Leddy, but he's a LOT more physical).
I like him there. Nobody in that range is sure thing, but betting on big rhd with some puck skills and mobility feels like solid bet at that point. You’d like to see a bit more fluidity and a bit better puck skills, but if he had those with everything else he wouldn’t last to 20s.
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My masculine intuition is starting to tell me they’ll include that first rounder in a package for a killer diller RHD.
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I’d argue this is the best use of that pick.
The Blues are in need of pushing players down the lineup, not in need of finding more players. Their pool is incredibly deep and the team is already reaping the benefits. It’s not going to be too long before the team is ready to take the next step. Butl the defense is aging on the wrong side of 30 and only Broberg matches the current age group of the core. I would much rather use the pick and other assets to acquire a defenseman that will help now and in the future.
I see only like a 20% chance we make our 1st round pick this year. I think the Blues are comfortable with their prospect pool and is ready to start buying young players again. I think they use this pick to go after a center or defenseman. And I could see them adding Jiricek to the deal as well if they aren't happy with his progression.
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they can put him on the roof of the Enterprise Center for promo shots
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1- Honestly, I'm more inclined to trade Jiricek than I am to trading our 1st. The health issues with him just keep building and I'm really starting to question if he'll ever be able to kick them. We need a viable top 4 RHD to come out of our system, and right now I'm more inclined to bet on a Hensler/Mrtka/Fiddler/Brzustewicz type than I am Jiricek.
2- IMO we still have 2 pretty major "replacement" situations on the horizon that we really need to address through the system.
A- We need to start grooming a replacement for Schenn(meaning middle tier #2/high end #3 center). He has 3 years left and lord know what we'll actually get out of him during those 3 years.
B- We need to start grooming a replacement for Parayko(top pair capable RHD). He has 5 years left and while he should theoretically age well, you never know when his body will break down.
I don't see anything close to viable options for those two spots in our system. Over the next 2-3 drafts, I think we need to get viable options in place. I'm not really inclined to go to the trade market or UFA pool to try to address those spots. It's most likely going to take a ridiculous overpayment if we go that route. Regardless of our current PO berth, we're not even close to being real contenders yet. We're still in our "re-whatever" phase and I'm not inclined to move 1st rounders until we legitimately come out of it.
Unless you find some miracle way to part with salary, I don't see where you have an option.
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The cap is going up by a good chunk next year with only Suter and Faksa not currently under contract. I'd think there is room to add a big contract if they wanted to.
Our capspace isn't bad. I think we have 7mil in space without Krug on LTIR. Trade Texier and thats another 2mil.
All I know is that I want the Blues to draft Lukas Nickolaj Pettersen-Finckenhagen. I just want to see the back of the jersey.
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The salary cap is going up by $7 million next season. Leddy and Fowler’s contracts are up after next year with an additional $9 million in rising salary cap. There will be guys who need raises but the bottom 6 is full of players who will also have their contracts end by the end of the 2026-27 season. I’m simplifying it because I’m on my phone, but I don’t see the issue.
The Blues don’t need a miracle to add a good defenseman. They just need the assets in trade.
Chicken! They had to shrink letters for Jorgen Pettersson.
