PatFoleyBarTab88
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Was he injured that year? He only played 24 games and I thought ntdp plays around 60 games.
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Probably not unless Eklund slides like Zach Benson or Helenius
The pick value of 25 and 34 combined is roughly between the value of picks 15 and 16, per PuckPedia. Not sure how the perceived lack of depth in this draft impacts that. But to feel really sure about getting a chance at Eklund you probably want to get into the top 10 and I don't see that happening based on who is picking in that range
I do like the idea of exploring a trade up/cap dump with the Rangers. They just hired Sullivan so they're definitely trying to put their foot back on the gas, which implies being active in free agency. They've got around 8.4 million in cap space and have to re-sign K'Andre Miller and Will Cuyle, who likely eat pretty much all of that right back up. So if they want to do anything notable they probably have to move someone.
Of course last time they were pressed like this they just got bumass Mike Grier to take Goodrow on waivers for free so maybe they can squirm out of it. But in theory pick 34 for pick 12 and all of Kreider's contract would be more than fair value for the Rangers. Blackhawks can easily buy him out if that helps convince him to waive his NTC too.
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Right now he's being priced to go around 11 or 12, is that considered a Benson slide? Interesting idea to maybe include a cap dump as part of a trade with NYR to move up
Nah but if he slips to 15 or 16 it would feel similar
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25 and 34 just to move up to 16 doesn't feel like great value but maybe the model they use is accurate, but I guess the NYI trade is a comp for what it could take to move up from 25 or a bit more even, that deal seemed terrible for Chicago though
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I can see that. But watching an "Elite Prospects" vid on him there were a lot of funny criticisms. There was one play he cut through the neutral zone, chipped the puck straight ahead of the D to himself, got it, moved smartly with intent and quality chances were made on net. The perfect shift if it was the NHL.
Their commenter was like "well he didn't do X, Y, or Z" bla bla bla. As if every kid is supposed to put on a ****ing clinic?
While I think Hagens was a bit out matched physically in the NCAA he has many ways of making up for it. So, he can have a loose leash and still play in the NHL sooner than later IMO. Frondell sooner than later too, the timing/IQ may take longer to click but he looks like a guy who can help not get caved in while he grows into the game even if he's not putting up big points.
Hagens is probably the best in this draft off the rush and through the middle. Frondell one of the best at getting set up and staying in the offensive zone from a puck protection standpoint. Both already showing that against bigger more developed players.
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16 isn't 16 if you're getting the guy you've got pegged at 8 in that slot.
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Yes.
Lakovic really is just too soft for me. I just don't find it inspiring to watch someone 6'4" get bullied by guys half his size.
Zonnon is a wild card. I like him. He's very raw. Difficult player to project. I take Potter's ceiling and Spence's certainty over Zonnon.
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Yes, commenting on his physical build. Don't really have any comps in mind. Players can be pretty aggressive in Juniors, but when you start playing in the NHL, that can change in a hurry.
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I would.
Reread your proposal and figure out why I would not be happy with that trade.
PatFoleyBarTab88
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Yeah I get that. Loved the few games I saw of Spence this year, very crisp game (Tanev-like maybe?). Haven't seen Zonnon play but I know many media scouts are in love with him.
Moving up for Potter is really interesting and makes it easy to move Reichel. To have three two way speedsters on three different lines (Potter, Nazar, Moore), you can really see a path for the Blackhawks to dominate possession and consistently generate transition scoring chances. I would love to see ASU move him to center full time this year to see him consistently challenged defensively like Ollie Moore.
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I'd want Wahlburg or Ostlund in that deal too. We could throw in Reichel or a middle round pick if needed.
rumored that Utah would be open for movnig #4 for a top 6 forward. would make more sense to trade him for #4 and keep 9.
For Buffalo sure that would make more sense but I don’t think they will keep both picks then.
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Not at all. You can still get a really good prospect at 9, and you pick up a young core piece.
Yes if course Hawks coukdctry to move up in a trade with NYI to get#1and take Misa...
Will tgectry be successful?
Misa seems lije tge very best solution for a 1C with a Bedard mlve to 1RW...
However if tgexattempt to move up fails then at #3there isxa wide variance ofvopibion as to who HWks shoukdctake at #3 for best fit and who actualky will turn out to be theBOA from alk those remaining candidates after Scarfer and Misa go off the board.
There is a difference of opinions to whether Martonevis #3on ternsvof eitger BPA or in terms of best fit for Bedard to form a top line duo..
Sone say Martone sone say Frondell even as a winger for Bedard at C
.
The problem with Frondell even if you thought hom BOA at #4is that there is a difference of opinions to whether he is glibg to be best atC or on the Wing as an NHL Oro..
Thise who think Frondell can be Center compare him to Barkov in styke..butvof course at j6'0 196 he is a lit smaller than Barkov..They do describe a 200ft player neither of whom are soordstersbut very mature responsible checkers and boards dominator..POWER Centers..Exceot that sone doubt Frondell is at his bestxasxa Cebter and had hid best goes thisxseasonbontgexwibg.
However you also get the inconsistency problems to explain with Frondrll..Some stretches looks fantastic other stretches pkays poorly...example was his piurcfinish to his seadon..Got benched forcsobe games Akksvebskan finals playoffs ..Was not good at u18s.....andxatvu18sxon the eye test looked SLOW to me.
Sobe scoutibg reports criticize his lack of speed causing a lack of transition transporting the puck or keeping up forc2 on1s..So hokes in his game and sone consistency issues.
Sonecsvoutsxprojectvhecwill improve abd can reach a high cekibgvas a top 2 line pro...But sone think the lack of speed might make him only a 3rd line for giuy.
Hagens is still #3on many lists as BOA..butvis a poir fit for ChicGo ..=anotger smalk C? No way...
However sone scouts do not think hevis best pkayer avaikavlexat#3givenhevubderwhelmed to the hypechexwas raised to beforectgexseason as the#1or#2BOA of the draft. So to many rankers he drops several spotsxto #5 ...in any case hevis notctgecright fit for need forctge Blackhawks..Nedc more size more powrr more jam combined with talent to either help Bedard as his wibger or drive a tip libevirc2ndvkibexat Cebter
So as I said before KD I doubt can identify the BPA...too much difference of opinion for tgatxat#3
So then best fit for need conesvibto pkay and among the candidates ates from 3-7 the choice is:
.Best fit for Bedard at wing OR best fit to drive line 1 at C with Bedard on the wing.
A lot of talk of Desnoyers as a 200ft cebter need for either linec1 or kibec2..but he fizxledvin ladtx10HP ..Wentv9 games without a goal before finally scoribg a goal (akso hadx1a) in Moncton' 's seni-fibal eliminations Memorial Cup.
Dresnoyers also -7last 10GP...However repirtsxibdicate hecwas pkayibgvthrough an injury..so maybecduscard poircshowibgvladt 10GP strecth.
Drsnoyers does not alert himself in games but let's the game conecto hom..Therexare havitsctovlije but also questionsvon his ceiling production potential..
Might only be a Toews..whichvis goid ..but I do not knowvifca Tiews like player isxa oerfect got for Bedard as hus wibger. MAY want a better playmaker to get Bedard to reveal his Geberatuonzl shot .
Given that sone think Frobdelk will be a better winger than Cebter or onlyva shoot first cebter,he may not be ideal for Bedard in a duobeotger.
Do notvybonk Drsnoyerviscthat much of avpkaynsker either.
Brst fits might be Martione as the playmaker winger to set up a Bedard playing center ...Or maybe best fit of all=Jake O'brien who has the furthest development yet to come but a long runway because of his June 2007 birthdate...many scouts think he has the highest ceiling of any pure Center in the draft ...Had a 98 point regukar season with Brantford ..it was heavily PP skewed (49/98 points) so obviously you want to see a higher Even strength production effectiveness...but although hevpayed top minutes inalienable situation roles for Brantford getting PO1 and PK1 tine,he was not their top line C ,only played with Lardis on tge Po exceot for a few limited loading up Eveb Strentgh situations occaisiobal...soUFAUR to compare him to alk other candidates for #3who were on the top line with other top line pkayers for their teams.
What you now must do is PROJECT the production O'brien could put up this coming season in Brantford because hecwill becone tgeir go to 1C and will need to pick up more ES scoribg andvuo his goal scoribg.You havecto project if he can up his love volume shotvon goal rate(because hexwas so pass first)..but now as the go to line 1C I think you will see a more rounded offebsivecgame from hom and that he will shoot more He does havexacgoitcshotcandxa very high sgotceffixiency.so the shotvitself nit the unused.. the volume of shot attempts and shotsvob goal is what you want to see him up..finally
Martone coukd be more ready to jump right into the NHL than O'Brien if tgeycsee Brdard staying at Center and wanting immediate help to set up Bedard for his shot.
O"brien needs to get more mass onto his 6'2172 lb frame...Till he adds 20 lbs or more he probably is not ready for tge NHL.
So eve though he has maybe highest ceiling in terms of driving a top line and producing big starvpibts...he i s further away from that because he needscto get more weight bones and to work on improving soneareas . While not a burner in speed,he has akready improved skatibgvfron the level itcwas at start of thecseason..butcas he gets stronger and working on his skatibg more,I think he will be good enough to advance attacks with ouckbtrabspirt from d-zobevt o o-zone ..His 200 ft game is goidvin habits bit if he gets justca bit faster and keeps improving o n reafsxofvthe play he shoukd be fine.
Put it yhusxway..a long runway yet to improve but tgexwait on hon to get to his top level will pay big dividends for tge team waiting for the matured version hecwillbe.
He already is tge best oassser andvonevof tge best playmaker I tgexdtaft..thses skikksxare ELITE...
So you can projectca fit to set up Bedard..If he adds the take charge go tov1C and uos his own shot on goal rate combining both passing gand shoitibgvmajez hom a very orojectible star 1C ..
So for this potential high ceiling,My hunch is that KD if he cannot land Misa in a trade up or gets lucky with NYI and SJ bypassing Misa ,coukd go with this high potential with Jake O'brien as the #3pick.
The issueis how long a wait fo r O'brien to get that extra 15-25lbs on?
I expect over the Sumner he adds another 10lbs to his frame and by start of 26/27 he will be up in tge 190s if not a 290lb pkayer...So Maybe just wait 1cmire season on hom.
Martone may be ready to help this season I tge Show. BUTas with any rookie,the question is can he take tge pressure to produce o libe 1 and be tge perfect fot for Bedard?
Maybe KD buys time by adding a free agent winger thus summer and Martone starts lower i the lineup.. but at least this season Hawks have
sone 2nd and 3rd kube centers who Martone could playmaker for from the wing.
So maybe a question of immediate "help" or waiting till draft prospect at#3is fukky "ready" for a top line role.
Finally the Longshot (at#3)RIser ,Brady Martin.
Doubt KD as with most ranking lists ,probably does not have homas a#3candidate..
But looking backin 3 -4years he very well coukd be themostvimoortantvpkayer for a team drafting him and rspecislky when that team rises to payoff contender level.
Coukd be the best pick of any in overall impact helping any libe he pays on doninate shifts and tilt thecce with scoribg chances in a variety of ways...a unique combo of physical play,comoetexand hogh work habits plus goidxsjilk in scoribg and in setting-up teamates off his hardvon thebluck forechecks,check stops,abd back checks...Tgextemotation is forcsobe coach to maybevjustc3rd kinevjominti a more checking kunecrike..but he is a 2C for his team.. Tge Soo were a bad team ...little talent around hom..With better players his assists rate showscuo pretty good as atc u18s.. He does have a good wrist shot that beats goalies picking corners and in 1x1 on break-aways...though his high shot on goal rate (2nd only to Misa among al the #3 candidates)produced a lowr shooting % than the others under consideration for #3.
He shows up only has high as #6
n a fewvkists now...but he brings morectobtgectabke than just straight production given tte compete level off tge chartsxand the physicality elements..the jam insertion Hawks can use.
Still. I THiNK willinstead go for the hIgher production targets. MARTONE or O'BRIEN and not give MARTIN an adjustment up factor due to playing on a bad team in the Soo with little help to get Martin more points.
So whichever team gets Martin ( maybe at #6 or#7 ?) they will get a very good Hockey Payer with at minimum a high high floor 2nd line role who will become loved by that team's fans and coaches ...high passion,consistent hard work ethic /comote and contributing a good level of poibts.. 30 g 40a=70 pts guy to raise 2nd line as 2C..
However KD will try fortis line 85-100pts ceiling talent ...maybe Martone as set up winger for Brdard gets there if Bedard gets there as tgey forn a duo?
.
Or maybe they go with O'BRIEN as 1C for Bedard at 1RW and as a top line duo they get to tgatv85-100 point level each?
I think 1 of these 2 as role fits to help Bedard is where KD is targeting of he cannot move up in a trade to land Misa. .
Will tgectry be successful?
Misa seems lije tge very best solution for a 1C with a Bedard mlve to 1RW...
However if tgexattempt to move up fails then at #3there isxa wide variance ofvopibion as to who HWks shoukdctake at #3 for best fit and who actualky will turn out to be theBOA from alk those remaining candidates after Scarfer and Misa go off the board.
There is a difference of opinions to whether Martonevis #3on ternsvof eitger BPA or in terms of best fit for Bedard to form a top line duo..
Sone say Martone sone say Frondell even as a winger for Bedard at C
.
The problem with Frondell even if you thought hom BOA at #4is that there is a difference of opinions to whether he is glibg to be best atC or on the Wing as an NHL Oro..
Thise who think Frondell can be Center compare him to Barkov in styke..butvof course at j6'0 196 he is a lit smaller than Barkov..They do describe a 200ft player neither of whom are soordstersbut very mature responsible checkers and boards dominator..POWER Centers..Exceot that sone doubt Frondell is at his bestxasxa Cebter and had hid best goes thisxseasonbontgexwibg.
However you also get the inconsistency problems to explain with Frondrll..Some stretches looks fantastic other stretches pkays poorly...example was his piurcfinish to his seadon..Got benched forcsobe games Akksvebskan finals playoffs ..Was not good at u18s.....andxatvu18sxon the eye test looked SLOW to me.
Sobe scoutibg reports criticize his lack of speed causing a lack of transition transporting the puck or keeping up forc2 on1s..So hokes in his game and sone consistency issues.
Sonecsvoutsxprojectvhecwill improve abd can reach a high cekibgvas a top 2 line pro...But sone think the lack of speed might make him only a 3rd line for giuy.
Hagens is still #3on many lists as BOA..butvis a poir fit for ChicGo ..=anotger smalk C? No way...
However sone scouts do not think hevis best pkayer avaikavlexat#3givenhevubderwhelmed to the hypechexwas raised to beforectgexseason as the#1or#2BOA of the draft. So to many rankers he drops several spotsxto #5 ...in any case hevis notctgecright fit for need forctge Blackhawks..Nedc more size more powrr more jam combined with talent to either help Bedard as his wibger or drive a tip libevirc2ndvkibexat Cebter
So as I said before KD I doubt can identify the BPA...too much difference of opinion for tgatxat#3
So then best fit for need conesvibto pkay and among the candidates ates from 3-7 the choice is:
.Best fit for Bedard at wing OR best fit to drive line 1 at C with Bedard on the wing.
A lot of talk of Desnoyers as a 200ft cebter need for either linec1 or kibec2..but he fizxledvin ladtx10HP ..Wentv9 games without a goal before finally scoribg a goal (akso hadx1a) in Moncton' 's seni-fibal eliminations Memorial Cup.
Dresnoyers also -7last 10GP...However repirtsxibdicate hecwas pkayibgvthrough an injury..so maybecduscard poircshowibgvladt 10GP strecth.
Drsnoyers does not alert himself in games but let's the game conecto hom..Therexare havitsctovlije but also questionsvon his ceiling production potential..
Might only be a Toews..whichvis goid ..but I do not knowvifca Tiews like player isxa oerfect got for Bedard as hus wibger. MAY want a better playmaker to get Bedard to reveal his Geberatuonzl shot .
Given that sone think Frobdelk will be a better winger than Cebter or onlyva shoot first cebter,he may not be ideal for Bedard in a duobeotger.
Do notvybonk Drsnoyerviscthat much of avpkaynsker either.
Brst fits might be Martione as the playmaker winger to set up a Bedard playing center ...Or maybe best fit of all=Jake O'brien who has the furthest development yet to come but a long runway because of his June 2007 birthdate...many scouts think he has the highest ceiling of any pure Center in the draft ...Had a 98 point regukar season with Brantford ..it was heavily PP skewed (49/98 points) so obviously you want to see a higher Even strength production effectiveness...but although hevpayed top minutes inalienable situation roles for Brantford getting PO1 and PK1 tine,he was not their top line C ,only played with Lardis on tge Po exceot for a few limited loading up Eveb Strentgh situations occaisiobal...soUFAUR to compare him to alk other candidates for #3who were on the top line with other top line pkayers for their teams.
What you now must do is PROJECT the production O'brien could put up this coming season in Brantford because hecwill becone tgeir go to 1C and will need to pick up more ES scoribg andvuo his goal scoribg.You havecto project if he can up his love volume shotvon goal rate(because hexwas so pass first)..but now as the go to line 1C I think you will see a more rounded offebsivecgame from hom and that he will shoot more He does havexacgoitcshotcandxa very high sgotceffixiency.so the shotvitself nit the unused.. the volume of shot attempts and shotsvob goal is what you want to see him up..finally
Martone coukd be more ready to jump right into the NHL than O'Brien if tgeycsee Brdard staying at Center and wanting immediate help to set up Bedard for his shot.
O"brien needs to get more mass onto his 6'2172 lb frame...Till he adds 20 lbs or more he probably is not ready for tge NHL.
So eve though he has maybe highest ceiling in terms of driving a top line and producing big starvpibts...he i s further away from that because he needscto get more weight bones and to work on improving soneareas . While not a burner in speed,he has akready improved skatibgvfron the level itcwas at start of thecseason..butcas he gets stronger and working on his skatibg more,I think he will be good enough to advance attacks with ouckbtrabspirt from d-zobevt o o-zone ..His 200 ft game is goidvin habits bit if he gets justca bit faster and keeps improving o n reafsxofvthe play he shoukd be fine.
Put it yhusxway..a long runway yet to improve but tgexwait on hon to get to his top level will pay big dividends for tge team waiting for the matured version hecwillbe.
He already is tge best oassser andvonevof tge best playmaker I tgexdtaft..thses skikksxare ELITE...
So you can projectca fit to set up Bedard..If he adds the take charge go tov1C and uos his own shot on goal rate combining both passing gand shoitibgvmajez hom a very orojectible star 1C ..
So for this potential high ceiling,My hunch is that KD if he cannot land Misa in a trade up or gets lucky with NYI and SJ bypassing Misa ,coukd go with this high potential with Jake O'brien as the #3pick.
The issueis how long a wait fo r O'brien to get that extra 15-25lbs on?
I expect over the Sumner he adds another 10lbs to his frame and by start of 26/27 he will be up in tge 190s if not a 290lb pkayer...So Maybe just wait 1cmire season on hom.
Martone may be ready to help this season I tge Show. BUTas with any rookie,the question is can he take tge pressure to produce o libe 1 and be tge perfect fot for Bedard?
Maybe KD buys time by adding a free agent winger thus summer and Martone starts lower i the lineup.. but at least this season Hawks have
sone 2nd and 3rd kube centers who Martone could playmaker for from the wing.
So maybe a question of immediate "help" or waiting till draft prospect at#3is fukky "ready" for a top line role.
Finally the Longshot (at#3)RIser ,Brady Martin.
Doubt KD as with most ranking lists ,probably does not have homas a#3candidate..
But looking backin 3 -4years he very well coukd be themostvimoortantvpkayer for a team drafting him and rspecislky when that team rises to payoff contender level.
Coukd be the best pick of any in overall impact helping any libe he pays on doninate shifts and tilt thecce with scoribg chances in a variety of ways...a unique combo of physical play,comoetexand hogh work habits plus goidxsjilk in scoribg and in setting-up teamates off his hardvon thebluck forechecks,check stops,abd back checks...Tgextemotation is forcsobe coach to maybevjustc3rd kinevjominti a more checking kunecrike..but he is a 2C for his team.. Tge Soo were a bad team ...little talent around hom..With better players his assists rate showscuo pretty good as atc u18s.. He does have a good wrist shot that beats goalies picking corners and in 1x1 on break-aways...though his high shot on goal rate (2nd only to Misa among al the #3 candidates)produced a lowr shooting % than the others under consideration for #3.
He shows up only has high as #6
n a fewvkists now...but he brings morectobtgectabke than just straight production given tte compete level off tge chartsxand the physicality elements..the jam insertion Hawks can use.Still. I THiNK willinstead go for the hIgher production targets. MARTONE or O'BRIEN and not give MARTIN an adjustment up factor due to playing on a bad team in the Soo with little help to get Martin more points.
So whichever team gets Martin ( maybe at #6 or#7 ?) they will get a very good Hockey Payer with at minimum a high high floor 2nd line role who will become loved by that team's fans and coaches ...high passion,consistent hard work ethic /comote and contributing a good level of poibts.. 30 g 40a=70 pts guy to raise 2nd line as 2C..
However KD will try fortis line 85-100pts ceiling talent ...maybe Martone as set up winger for Brdard gets there if Bedard gets there as tgey forn a duo?
.
Or maybe they go with O'BRIEN as 1C for Bedard at 1RW and as a top line duo they get to tgatv85-100 point level each?
I think 1 of these 2 as role fits to help Bedard is where KD is targeting of he cannot move up in a trade to land Misa. .
DisgruntledHawkFan
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No but I've loved Peterka for years. I still see Reichel having similar upside even if it's a much longer shot.
pull that trigger without hesitation. at #9 I would be fine with O'Brien, Eklund or Aitcheson
