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Who should we pick 3rd overall (assuming Schaefer and Misa are gone)?


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It is very impressive when a 17/18 year old can play as a true freshman in the NCAA however, when you compare Hagens results to those of recent draft picks who did the same thing he falls short.

Hagens - 37GP - 11 - 26 - 37
Smith - 41GP - 25 - 46 - 71
Celebrini - 38GP - 32 - 32 - 64
Fantilli - 36GP - 30 - 35 - 65
Leonard - 41GP - 31 - 29 - 60
Perreault - 36GP - 19 - 41 - 60

The last two on that list are particularly interesting given that their numbers from year one with Smith as their centre to year two with Hagens as their centre dropped considerably despite having an additional year of experience, growth etc. on their side.

Leonard - 37GP - 30 - 10 - 49
Perreault - 37GP - 16 - 32 - 48

So I guess the question is, was Will Smith that good? That much better than Hagens?

While Hagens deserves credit for playing in the NCAA, considering the quality of his linemates I would suggest his production was ok and to be honest, a little underwhelming given the preseason hype.

Sacha Boisvert put up the following numbers with a much weaker surrounding cast:

37GP - 18 - 14 - 32
Only Celebrini and Fantilli's numbers are relevant as everyone else is a D+1 freshman.

Now compare Hagens numbers as a D-1 In the USNDTP to Smith, Leonard and Perrault. Hell, compare his D-1 to their draft years in that program and they stack up incredibly well.
 
Why would you give up assets when the gap between 1st and 3rd pick isn´t that significant? Just keep the pick and go BPA.
Well Hagens more than likely wants to play there and he might be the most talented . The other players seem to have short comings. If Kyle can get a real good prospect , a 2026 1st rder (unprotected) and a couple other picks might be the better move. Desnoyers was my pick but he he showing nothing in the Memorial Cup , Hagens is small and is a huge NY Islanders fan , Frondell seems like the next Tuomo Ruutu. Maybe the weaker skating Martone is out pick ??
 
Jagr was 31
Lidstrom was 33
Brodeur was 33

The last one is a stretch at generational but his numbers put him in the talk of best goalie of his generation.

Point is, there were generational players, actual generational players in their prime.

Outside of McDavid and Sid, thats one more then the current crop of players in my opinion.

So it takes losing on purpose? Why can't the GM acquire talent outside of the draft and losing on purpose? That's their job.

This guy was given a supposed generational talent and has done nothing to help him out to the point the kid looked like a chump countless times last year. He's gone thru how many coaches and intern coaches?

What's Dale Tallon doing?
Well....Dale wanted to keep Havlat and not get Hossa. Signed Huet when we had Bulin.
He drafted Beach instead of Tyler Myers...
I won't say he "missed" on Karlsson because 14 other teams "missed" as well.

I liked Tallon and wasn't much of a fan of Stan..
 
Well Rob Brown put up 200 points the year after he was drafted and it was in the WHL, not college. I'd bet Hagens would have put up 100+ if he played 63 games in the WHL this year like Brown did in 1987.

Plus Rob Brown has been quoted as saying that he couldn't skate and that weakness can be masked better in juniors. Hagens is a fantastic skater so the Rob Brown argument is not particularly relevant.
The point is numbers are irrelevant.

If people can't see Hagens is an elite talent and are using his stats as an excuse to not draft him that's a hilarious take.

Third pick in the draft you better take the best player. And while I like Desnoyers there's a decent sized gap between him and Hagens talent wise.

You don't take need in the top three, you take the best player.

He's small? Who cares. If the gm can't figure out a way to build around elite skilled small players find a gm who can.
 
Well Hagens more than likely wants to play there and he might be the most talented . The other players seem to have short comings. If Kyle can get a real good prospect , a 2026 1st rder (unprotected) and a couple other picks might be the better move. Desnoyers was my pick but he he showing nothing in the Memorial Cup , Hagens is small and is a huge NY Islanders fan , Frondell seems like the next Tuomo Ruutu. Maybe the weaker skating Martone is out pick ??

A lot of assumptions here. Again and again..no one knows how these players develop. Scouts are trying to see potential and even they can´t say it like it is going to be waterproof this and that. But there is a lot of potential with those names. Blackhawks are in good spot here.
 
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Well....Dale wanted to keep Havlat and not get Hossa. Signed Huet when we had Bulin.
He drafted Beach instead of Tyler Myers...
I won't say he "missed" on Karlsson because 14 other teams "missed" as well.

I liked Tallon and wasn't much of a fan of Stan..
Tallon had a big part in the Hawks dynasty and the current panthers run.

I'd say his resume speaks for itself more then the current slop that is the Blackhawks
 
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A lot of assumptions here. Again and again..no one knows how these players develop. Scouts are trying to see potential and even they can´t say it like it is going to be waterproof this and that. But there is a lot of potential with those names. Blackhawks are in good spot here.
i trust our scouts and Davidson .Being 3rd in the order Isnt bad . We shall see what unfolds.
 
Kyle D should seriously consider a deal with NY Islanders for our #3 . What would be considered fair ?
Is this possible deal from a standpoint of the Isle selecting Schaffer at #1 and then making a deal with the Hawks at #3 to land their hometown guy Hagens?

Edit: This is a conversation I had last night with a long time Hawks fan.
 
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Jagr was 31
Lidstrom was 33
Brodeur was 33

The last one is a stretch at generational but his numbers put him in the talk of best goalie of his generation.

Point is, there were generational players, actual generational players in their prime.

Outside of McDavid and Sid, thats one more then the current crop of players in my opinion.

So it takes losing on purpose? Why can't the GM acquire talent outside of the draft and losing on purpose? That's their job.

This guy was given a supposed generational talent and has done nothing to help him out to the point the kid looked like a chump countless times last year. He's gone thru how many coaches and intern coaches?

What's Dale Tallon doing?
I guess we can disagree on how to categorize prime years but I'm still steadfast in that the overall talent today is much higher than it was then. And yes, it takes losing on purpose more often than not. Sure you can acquire talent but you can't build a sustained cup contending core without being bad and drafting high for a few consecutive years. That's what Edmonton, Florida, Colorado, Toronto, Pittsburgh, and the Blackhawks first dynasty did.

Dallas has found a way to build while not being bad and Carolina has done something similar so there are ways for sure. But with the Hawks' roster the way it was in 2022, what would you have done to turn it into a contender?
 
The point is numbers are irrelevant.

If people can't see Hagens is an elite talent and are using his stats as an excuse to not draft him that's a hilarious take.

Third pick in the draft you better take the best player. And while I like Desnoyers there's a decent sized gap between him and Hagens talent wise.

You don't take need in the top three, you take the best player.

He's small? Who cares. If the gm can't figure out a way to build around elite skilled small players find a gm who can.
Absolutely to all of this. You don't draft a forward you forecast as a 50pt players over a PPG+ because of size or position. You take the best, highest upside player at the top while you can and fill in those needs later. JMO, but none of these "big centers" look special top of the draft guys, they look like guys you are happy with after 5.
 
Kyle D should seriously consider a deal with NY Islanders for our #3 . What would be considered fair ?
There is no reason for Chicago to trade out of 3rd. Even an unprotected first from the isles next year would not even be close to being worth to giving up 3OA. Would you seriously give up 3OA for 16th next year and a few more 2nds and 3rds (going off your post in another thread)

If you do I am glad you are not our gm lmao
 
I'm sure it's been brought up before Nashville has three 1st round picks.

They are a team that could package #5 + #23 or #26, for #3.

Worth considering depending who they're looking at. Like if there's any validity to Roumeliotis saying to keep an eye on Frondell and Desnoyers, then those are guys you gladly trade down to #5 for to gain an extra 1st.

But if Kyle is a serious GM, then you stay at #3 and take Martone.
 
I'm sure it's been brought up before Nashville has three 1st round picks.

They are a team that could package #5 + #23 or #26, for #3.

Worth considering depending who they're looking at. Like if there's any validity to Roumeliotis saying to keep an eye on Frondell and Desnoyers, then those are guys you gladly trade down to #5 for to gain an extra 1st.

But if Kyle is a serious GM, then you stay at #3 and take Martone.
I'd do that too. Plus you could end up with Martone or anyone else at 5.
 
Looking forward to seeing who Davidson and his scouting department select in round one! Adding to our already impressive prospect pool

1st round selections

**2023 1 Connor Bedard, f
**2024 2 Artyom Levshunov, d
2025 3 ?
**2022 7 Kevin Korchinski, d
**2022 13 Frank Nazar, f
2024 18 Sacha Boisvert, f
**2023 19 Oliver Moore, f
**2022 25 Sam Rinzel, d
2025 25 ?
*2024 27 Marek Vanacker, f

*signed NHL contracts
**signed NHL contracts made NHL debuts

That’ll be 10 1st rounders in 4 drafts!
 
I'd do that too. Plus you could end up with Martone or anyone else at 5.
making that trade and still being able to get Martone at 5 would be robbery.

but my guess would be that if Nashville made that trade, it would specifically be to move up for Martone
 
Hagen's even though he's smaller would be a great pick . He grew up a huge Islander fan and hate to lose him as a ufa . I wouldn't consider a trade with NY Islander unless it was a real over pay and depends how badly Darche wants to make a splash .
 
Hagens isxa bad for for Hawks ..Anotger smalk forwardvin top 6 who failed to live upto production expectation in freshman season..only a point a game woth only 11 goals despite having Leonard and Perrault as wingers 3/4 of the season and being on#1Boston Colkege tgrough regukar schedule ,KD ought to becshitvifvhevpicks this shrimp to add to our current overabundance of small skill guys.. Not what we need.

With both Frondell and Desnoyers fizzling to end their seasons (Frondell played horribly atvu18s...Desnoyers Zero goals last 9GP ,1g 6a last 19GP but no points last 6GP = horrible season ending production.. has 1 more game at least to shine..but if Moncton loses to London in
Memorial Cup semi-final that is it for his season.

Unless KD can trade up to get Misa,the only candidates remaining dor co sideribg at #3shoukd be

Martone Martin O'brien and McQueen..

Martone O'brien and McQueen do not fit the usual skatibg box checkmark KD wants..but at least theycalk bring needed size..

McQueen i jury history presents big risk ..Hawjs doctors need to sign off for KD to even cobsider gambling on him.

Martobe makes best case for helping Bedard to 90-100pt level..as 1RW to Bedard as 1C ...but if this duo cannot click or if Martone cannot produce to top line expectation,the rest of his game may not help the Hawks mich on tgec2ndblinevor worse ifvhe cannot make top 2blibes hecwas a wasted pick.

Martin is 6'0 180 but pkays lije a 6'4240 linebacker with sone very gois skills..shot is a oro shot..he can beat goalies 1 on1. HE has a goid 1 tiner too..Hiscpasibg and use of linemated has been gettibg better and was on display at u18s..his work ethic,compete , and physicality are alk off tge charts A+++ lever. Therevus leadership by example tgat inspire othersvo rgeam to pkay upto hos level..He can help so many different ways..plus ax209ft game to.

Even if he ultimately shows he cannot reach top line 90 pts level to be a 'top star",he CERTAINLY will help lineup or line 3 ve very very special whether he pkays C or W on them.
Heis more versatile than Martone whobisvonly a Winger...cannot pkay C...but Marin can pkay either as he did ni the Soo ...or play W as he did u18s...

Martone may have higher celing offensively ..but has a lower floor...Martin has a very very high floor ...can be used allsituations including pk and PP.. Martone not on Pk.
If it were me I take Martin over Martone..Hawks need that physicality in the top six as well as tge ultra compete...relentless hustle. He creates chaos ..takes it to the slot. Hits eve harder than Sam Bennett.
While not a burner,Marin still gets there fast because he hustles ...all the time..motor and pace are there.
So whike he lacks longer stride to get acceleration,he messed up for itcwith hogh stride rate and pure hustle..he still gesthere to close off rushers before they get to o-zobe and he still gets there on back-checkibg ...Sone say he needsxto work on skating less hunched over and to work on lengthening his stride soth more piwrr i the legs..these things can be improved on..just techniques to be taught..But I saw hom skate plenty fast as he is at u18s whike Frobdelk looked very slow.
Martone is not an elite skater eitger..but I thought he was average frln what I saw at u18s..

I thought Martin while not a burner was still above average in speed at u 18s.

Now..IF McQueen,also not a burner is ruled out due to injury history and risk...then that leaves only O'brien as a possibility at #3.

Again skatibg and pace are below average but he is relatively young for the draft with his longer runway to develop (June birthdate)...If he can up his skauibg a bit,tge upside is great because he already is considered the best passer /playmaker i the drFt..has a hoid shot too but a low shot volume. SO want to see the gap close between quantity of goal to assists.. Do nit want just a playmaker with low shot on goal habits...unless hecis so ekite asxa set-up guy that Brdard sors to 50+goals as his wibger and exploits his generationalshot to its extreme highest limit.
If KD wants to gamble on O'brien witb maybe the highest offensive potential of anyone otger than Misa in this draft ,then maybe hectakescthe gamble that O'brien can get faster and uo his
pace and can get better defensively..?

Nobody has Martin or O'brien at #3.

However in terms of fit you can make the case that if Martone or O'brien hit their ceilings you do get Bedard the offensive set up guy he needs either fron the wing or as his Cebter.

However if you want tge best 2 eY option whether he helps libe 1 and Bedard be great or hos line 2 to be special,then take the CertI ty you get with Martin...Maybe not the higher ceki g but the high hogh floor us tge all situations use and tge extreme physicality and compete.

If KD chooses shrimp Hagens or slow Frondell,he is nuts.

The only caveat on trading up for Misa is that horrible -16 in his last 10GP of the season..if caused by injury then he gets a Mulligan...
If not ..then slacking off defensively does raise red flags.

We shall see what transpires at the draft.
 
Absolutely to all of this. You don't draft a forward you forecast as a 50pt players over a PPG+ because of size or position. You take the best, highest upside player at the top while you can and fill in those needs later. JMO, but none of these "big centers" look special top of the draft guys, they look like guys you are happy with after 5.
I think Desnoyers has that winner vibe.

In my opinion I think he's a warrior who will do whatever it takes to win.

That said, he could be the next Toews, O'Reilly, or the next Kruger.

If you are taking the next Kruger with a 3 oa you need to be fired.
 
None of the dart throw big forward selections have really been panning out. I can still see Hawks going for Martone to get some balance in the pool.
 

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