2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

[TheFridge]

Umm.... there was one person ever who played power forward like Eric Lindros and that was Eric Lindros. I have never seen a single person push another person completely out the face-off dot then kick the puck towards his team mate.

Martone is not a power forward. With his size he should have been imposing his will on kids instead of being a perimeter player. His skating is bad, I question his work ethic, and I don't see a high hockey IQ.

The Hawks need to start drafting high IQ players and players who hate losing. Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, and Sharp were warriors. Martone isn't one of those.

So he can't skate and he stays on the perimeter. How did he score 37 goals and 98 points if his hockey sense isn't high then? Did you catch a lot of Brampton games this year? Martone is lauded for his skill and hockey sense by most scouts.

 

[Mjul Qvist]

What makes you say his playmaking is above average?

Btw I also think he's definitely more likely to be a wing, not coz of the playmaking necessarily (although that too) but because his strengths would come out there better. He already plays that way too.

I´d say he has all the tools to develop into above average playmaker for sure and that is because his hockey sense. He played wing in Allsvenskan and that might affected how he played the game also and probably something he was coached to do. But there is really strong potential that he could develop into NHL center. I have no doubts. Will he? I can´t promise you anything.

 

[Larmer83]

Another clueless poster, but we already knew that about this one.

His skating is good for his size, he has incredible IQ, and he most definitely is not a perimeter player lol

Yes, he's more than clueless if that's possible.

This is a guy that claimed that Nolan Allan would be the best dman prospect for the Hawks. That obviously included Vlasic but Rinzel as well.

 

[Larmer83]

I´d say he has all the tools to develop into above average playmaker for sure and that is because his hockey sense. He played wing in Allsvenskan and that might affected how he played the game also and probably something he was coached to do. But there is really strong potential that he could develop into NHL center. I have no doubts. Will he? I can´t promise you anything.

Having watched enough of Nazar, Greene, and Moore, I'd say they all have a better chance of being an NHL center than Frondell.

Frondell belongs on the wing. That's where his talent will be best displayed.

 

[clydesdale line]

Some of the Frondell takes here are hilarious. Here's why I've always been a fan. Frondell has been playing against men all season long and then the U18s in a long year. Here are some key statistics according to what I saw in InStat. He upped his hits to 1.17 per game and you saw that in the U18s. His 33% defensive zone starts is one of the highest in this draft and for a future center (which for my money he will be) that’s exactly what you want to see. His 4.7 shots per game has been a constant. Again, for my money, his wrist shot is the best in this draft. He gets 61% of his shots on goal. Again, that’s a big part of being able to be a consistent scorer at the next level when the time is right.

His skating is good. His hockey I.Q. is high, and a team can let him develop overseas till he’s ready to come to North America. He doesn’t have to wait until he’s 20. His contract with Djurgarden runs for another year and then he can come over and play in the AHL. And this is coming from someone who has recently said Desnoyers is changing my mind in putting him above Frondell.

 

[Hawkaholic]

So he can't skate and he stays on the perimeter. How did he score 37 goals and 98 points if his hockey sense isn't high then? Did you catch a lot of Brampton games this year? Martone is lauded for his skill and hockey sense by most scouts.

Its clear he hasn't seen him play for a second.

 

[Kevin Musto]

His 33% defensive zone starts is one of the highest in this draft and for a future center

except he's a winger

and he's getting defensive starts as a winger

 

[clydesdale line]

except he's a winger

and he's getting defensive starts as a winger

As someone here pointed out earlier in this thread that you tend to ignore, most young prospects in the SHL always start off on the wing. And in different circumstances, they move to the middle whether in the play after a draw, the defensive zone, etc. His 33% defensive zone starts for a 17-18 year old (in a men's league at that) still isn't common.

 

[Mjul Qvist]

Having watched enough of Nazar, Greene, and Moore, I'd say they all have a better chance of being an NHL center than Frondell.

Frondell belongs on the wing. That's where his talent will be best displayed.

Having watched enough of Frondell and I disagree with you. But we´ll see eventually what he will be.

 

[Kevin Musto]

As someone here pointed out earlier in this thread that you tend to ignore, most young prospects in the SHL always start off on the wing. And in different circumstances, they move to the middle whether in the play after a draw, the defensive zone, etc. His 33% defensive zone starts for a 17-18 year old (in a men's league at that) still isn't common.

I'm not ignoring that. I'm well aware of that.

He plays like a winger.

He doesn't have the playmaking to hang at center.

He fights for pucks along the board, and waits for someone else to set him up for one timers. That's his playstyle. He's a wing.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The "men" of the Allsvenskan - meh half the league is NCAA age, and if you're older, what are you doing in the 2nd division in Sweden when the 1st division SHL is a little worse than AHL in my opinion.

 

[clydesdale line]

I'm not ignoring that. I'm well aware of that.

He plays like a winger.

He doesn't have the playmaking to hang at center.

He fights for pucks along the board, and waits for someone else to set him up for one timers. That's his playstyle. He's a wing.

I guess we have different opinions on what we want out of a center. I care much more about high hockey sense for a centermen. Jonathan Toews was never a playmaker. He never had a 50+ assist season. He was much more of a goal scorer. What separated him from the others was his elite 200 foot game and high hockey I.Q. Patrice Bergeron was another. So was Ryan O'Reilly. You don't have to be Sidney Crosby or a Connor McDavid playmaking centermen to win. But hey, I'm sure playmaking Kirby Dach will eventually figure it out at center right?

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

So he can't skate and he stays on the perimeter. How did he score 37 goals and 98 points if his hockey sense isn't high then? Did you catch a lot of Brampton games this year? Martone is lauded for his skill and hockey sense by most scouts.

Watched many games.

Link me to actual scouts, not internet scouts, who rave about his hockey sense.

If Porter Martone was everything many here think he is, he would go first overall without a second guess.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Having watched enough of Nazar, Greene, and Moore, I'd say they all have a better chance of being an NHL center than Frondell.

LOL

Frondell will be better then all of them.

Good lord.....

 

[Kevin Musto]

I guess we have different opinions on what we want out of a center. I care much more about high hockey sense for a centermen. Jonathan Toews was never a playmaker. He never had a 50+ assist season. He was much more of a goal scorer. What separated him from the others was his elite 200 foot game and high hockey I.Q. Patrice Bergeron was another. So was Ryan O'Reilly. You don't have to be Sidney Crosby or a Connor McDavid playmaking centermen to win. But hey, I'm sure playmaking Kirby Dach will eventually figure it out at center right?

Hunting 200ft players is a fool's errand

So many so called defensive prodigies are worthless in the NHL

And so many defensively inept prospects develop a two way game at the next level

Target the high upside tools (which Frondell doesn't have)

 

[Hawkaholic]

Watched many games.

Liar

 

[TheFridge]

Watched many games.

Link me to actual scouts, not internet scouts, who rave about his hockey sense.

If Porter Martone was everything many here think he is, he would go first overall without a second guess.

You want me to link you to the opinions of scouts who work in the NHL and who are paid to keep their opinions in-house?

If Martone had poor hockey sense, to go along with your assessment that he can't skate and stays on the perimeter, he wouldn't have scored in the OHL at all. You have to account for his scoring somehow Kris.

 

[Hawkaholic]

You want me to link you to the opinions of scouts who work in the NHL and who are paid to keep their opinions in-house?

If Martone had poor hockey sense, to go along with your assessment that he can't skate and stays on the perimeter, he wouldn't have scored in the OHL at all. You have to account for his scoring somehow Kris.

And wouldn't be ranked in the top 5 for the draft. Lol

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

You want me to link you to the opinions of scouts who work in the NHL and who are paid to keep their opinions in-house?

You were the one who stated "most scouts"

If you are basing your opinion on clickbating "scouts", thats on you.

You have to account for his scoring somehow Kris.

He played against little kids?

Again, if Martone was this player many here think he is, he's a slam dunk first overall pick. His skating will keep him out the top ten alone. I see the second coming of Laff and a knock off version at that.

 

[Putt Pirate]

With Martone, all I have done is watch highlights and read up on him. I have read his IQ is good to not good. His skating doesn't look bad to me but some poo poo it. I think his size might make things look off or not as 'fast' but not every player has other be Moore fast. He has a good shot, doesn't mind working the boards. But, each of the prospects that could go 3rd have similar issues with something. With that being said, I would go for whoever seems like an offensive player with a lot of upside. And I will let the scouts decipher that as I already have 1.5 jobs. I will be happy with whoever they choose.

 

[TheFridge]

You were the one who stated "most scouts"

If you are basing your opinion on clickbating "scouts", thats on you.

He played against little kids?

Again, if Martone was this player many here think he is, he's a slam dunk first overall pick. His skating will keep him out the top ten alone. I see the second coming of Laff and a knock off version at that.

Yes my guy, the scouts within the public sphere that watch the games and get paid to provide their insight.

The player that many here think he is? Everyone is aware that his skating could be a limiting factor. If he were a better skater, he would be a legit 1st overall talent.

He'll go top-10 and it's one F in Laf Kris.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

With Martone, all I have done is watch highlights and read up on him. I have read his IQ is good to not good. His skating doesn't look bad to me but some poo poo it. I think his size might make things look off or not as 'fast' but not every player has other be Moore fast. He has a good shot, doesn't mind working the boards. But, each of the prospects that could go 3rd have similar issues with something. With that being said, I would go for whoever seems like an offensive player with a lot of upside. And I will let the scouts decipher that as I already have 1.5 jobs. I will be happy with whoever they choose.

Hawks need a center.

That's my take on this draft.

 

[Kevin Musto]

With Martone, all I have done is watch highlights and read up on him. I have read his IQ is good to not good. His skating doesn't look bad to me but some poo poo it. I think his size might make things look off or not as 'fast' but not every player has other be Moore fast. He has a good shot, doesn't mind working the boards. But, each of the prospects that could go 3rd have similar issues with something. With that being said, I would go for whoever seems like an offensive player with a lot of upside. And I will let the scouts decipher that as I already have 1.5 jobs. I will be happy with whoever they choose.

Who is saying his IQ isn't good?

That person should not be trusted with any hockey related opinions.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Yes my guy, the scouts within the public sphere that watch the games and get paid to provide their insight.

Internet scouts? Who get paid by the click? I'm sorry, I'm not clicking ads or subbing somebodys patreon for a generic hot take for views.

Most of these internet scouts are garbage until they say something ppl agree with then they're the smartest guys in the room.

No thanks.

The player that many here think he is? Everyone is aware that his skating could be a limiting factor. If he were a better skater, he would be a legit 1st overall talent.

He'll go top-10 and it's one F in Laf Kris.

I highly doubt it, but carry on my wayward son.

 

[TheFridge]

Internet scouts? Who get paid by the click? I'm sorry, I'm not clicking ads or subbing somebodys patreon for a generic hot take for views.

Most of these internet scouts are garbage until they say something ppl agree with then they're the smartest guys in the room.

No thanks.


I highly doubt it, but carry on my wayward son.

Why would you need to click an ad? You know you don't need to do that, right Kris?

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